Data-east-arcade collection.

jochen · Post by **jochen** » Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:56 pm

Who knows something more about the Data east arcade collection
for the Nintendo Wii ?

I heart / reat it will include games like Magical Drop III, Burgertime, Secret Agent Joe & Mac
Caveman Ninja, Bad Dudes and others ....

Gamefaqs lists this game ... but tells no relase date ( obiviously it will take some
time till then ).

I hope for games like Boogie Wing, Nitro Ball, Spinmaster, Windjammers ....

Let´s pray it won´t be cancelled.

P.S: : How much time will it take till we see SNK-Collection 2 ?
Will such a collection from SNK-Playmore ever see the ligth
of the day ?

Jochen.

Acid King · Post by **Acid King** » Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:02 pm

Nitroball with Robotron style controls would rule.

caldwert · Post by **caldwert** » Sun Sep 27, 2009 2:05 am

I love all that is Data East. I can only hope it does get a release.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:00 am

caldwert wrote:I love all that is Data East. I can only hope it does get a release.

Just read an awesome interview w/ some ex-DECO people. Great shit. I miss that company.
I think the problem w/ any collections is that their vast library is scattered all over the place (in terms of licensing).

Post by **system11** » Sun Sep 27, 2009 6:15 pm

How does this thread exist with no mention of Robocop?

caldwert · Post by **caldwert** » Sun Sep 27, 2009 6:58 pm

GaijinPunch wrote:
caldwert wrote:I love all that is Data East. I can only hope it does get a release.
Just read an awesome interview w/ some ex-DECO people. Great shit. I miss that company.
I think the problem w/ any collections is that their vast library is scattered all over the place (in terms of licensing).

Do you have a link to the interview or is it all in Japanese? I would love to read it. Growing up I never really realized that all my arcade favorites were Data East. I played Bad Dudes, Heavy Barrel, Guerilla War, Robocop, and Ghostbusters to death when I was a kid. I know that some cell phone company owns a good portion of the rights to Data East, but then various little companies with Data East alumni at them own some rights as well.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Sun Sep 27, 2009 11:59 pm

Do you have a link to the interview or is it all in Japanese? I would love to read it.

All in Japanese, and only available in print. It's the same in the series as this one with Junya Inoue, and is about the same in terms of volume. There will be an English online version at some point, but it's kind of slow going. I've got another one I've not put the finishing touches on, although I finished the first draft a month ago. Busy.

Growing up I never really realized that all my arcade favorites were Data East. I played Bad Dudes, Heavy Barrel, Guerilla War, Robocop, and Ghostbusters to death when I was a kid. I know that some cell phone company owns a good portion of the rights to Data East, but then various little companies with Data East alumni at them own some rights as well.

Fo shizzle. These guys did some pretty ground-breaking shit. Never realized how big they were. Unfortunatly, too big for their own good I think. They were one of the last to the console game, and that might be what killed them.

Guerilla War is SNK though, not Data East. On that note, I got a hold of a Guevara super play, and it's fucking sick. I have the Guerilla War PCB and it's bar none the hardest game I've played in years. I will likely not even give it an honest go. Heavy Barrell I just cleared the other day -- pretty easy, actually.

And to continue the love, I posted a lot of arcade flyers recently... many of them Data East... like this Edward Randy one.

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 12:25 am

Guevara is one of the Famicom's best

GaijinPunch wrote:
Edward Randy one.

GP, can you tell me what's on the back of that Ed Randy flyer?

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 12:32 am

Skykid wrote:Guevara is one of the Famicom's best

The main designer of Ikari & Guevara actually worked on the FC port of Guevara.

GaijinPunch wrote: GP, can you tell me what's on the back of that Ed Randy flyer?

An A4 sized white patch.

There is a 2-sided version which I do not own though.

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 12:43 am

GaijinPunch wrote:
Skykid wrote:Guevara is one of the Famicom's best
The main designer of Ikari & Guevara actually worked on the FC port of Guevara.

It's the only version I've played, and I love it.

GaijinPunch wrote: GP, can you tell me what's on the back of that Ed Randy flyer?
An A4 sized white patch.

Great, thanks. I've got the same one but never new anyone else who had one to compare. I had seen a reverse side online somewhere, and mine is so mint I always wondered about the blank side. Thanks for putting my mind at ease on that.

caldwert · Post by **caldwert** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 1:26 am

Ah, I'm slipping there mentioning Guerilla War with Data East. Guess it was the whole rotary thing. Anyway, I had read that what killed them was that when 3D got big nobody knew how to do 3D in house, so they outsourced and chose poor developers and basically wasted a ton of money doing that. I find it hard to believe they're no more considering the amount of Data East machines that were out when I was a kid. Maybe they lost their ass on the pinball end of things. I was never a fan of their machines but I'll be damned if they didn't look cool as shit, didn't play as well as Williams/Ballys though.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:36 am

The interview is from the early 2000's. 2002 I think? Not sure. The company was still around, but the interviewees had moved on. Forgot the names, but it was the producer/planner of Edward Randy (etc), character designer of Magical Drop, and another guy that I think was in sales, but can't quite remember. This one focuses on DECO in the late 80's. There is another interview that appeared in Chou Arcade (which is also long as shit) but doesn't feature the interviewee's names... just first initial. I guess they're into their anonymity. It is to continue and talk about DECO in teh 90's. Would love to do them both... just so much on the plate right now.

Anyways, I don't think either of them talk about the downfall of the company. They do mention that they went all over the place in terms of business model (don't want to spoil it) and they also mentioned that once they quit the pinball business (which was DECO US), Marvel basically told them to fuck off. This probably didn't help them. The worst part of that is, once that was done, the only Marvel games at all were reskinned Street Fighter II ports. :/

EDIT: The first in the series of the interview was actually w/ MR.OBA of SNK (the guy that designed Ikari & Guevara). Also a great read.

caldwert · Post by **caldwert** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:52 am

Damn, I'd love to read all of that. Are you translating stuff like this and putting it up on your site? Pardon my ignorance if they are and I'm asking a totally dumb question. I actually had some friends who went to Japan last year and met up with Shou and had them ask for Garyu Retsuden, some obscure Data East PCB, and the PCB shops go who's looking for this? and they said some guy in America and they just laughed and go you know how rare that is? Oh well, they did find me a complete Alex Kidd: BMX Race on Master System though.

louisg · Post by **louisg** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:48 pm

Any word on whether Heavy Barrel, any of the Tatsumi games, or any of their other run n guns will be on it?

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:30 pm

I don't know what the guy's source is, but in the comments to this article one poster says that the full game list is as follows:

Burger Time
Bad Dudes vs. Dragon Ninja
Burnin’ Rubber
Caveman Ninja
Express Raider
Heavy Barrel
Lock ‘n’ Chase
Magical Drop
Pete Pepper’s Ice Cream Factory
Secret Agent
Side Pocket
Street Slam
Super Real Darwin
Crude Buster
Wizard Fire

Again, I don't know how accurate that is, but it's about all I've seen so far.

yojo! · Post by **yojo!** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:34 pm

If they are going to port over Heavy Barrel, they might as well throw in other rotary based games, like the awesomely great Gondomania.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:01 pm

Hooray tons of games that have already seen home console ports! Give us ports of Ed Randy, Spinmaster (eh it was on the Neo but...), Cannon Ball and so on.

gameoverDude · Post by **gameoverDude** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:22 pm

No Midnight Resistance? It would make sense to have it, considering Heavy Barrel is in.

One of DECO's best console games is Atomic Runner on Genesis. It looks and sounds a lot better than the arcade (Chelnov), with parallax that the original never had. The alternate control schemes also help (there's one with A for left shot, B for jump, and C for right shot). AR is one that was worthy of a Saturn sequel.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:14 pm

caldwert wrote:Damn, I'd love to read all of that. Are you translating stuff like this and putting it up on your site?

Working on it quite slowly. I'm busy w/ other projects and moving stuff out via the FS thread. If it wasn't pro bono it'd move up the priority ladder, but here we are. I wouldn't take money for this stuff anyway. Just be patient. It'll happen. I've got one other one that retro people might like, that I thought I had finished a first draft of, but it seems I either lost the last couple of pages or never did them... or did them on paper and never transcribed them. Shouldn't be too hard, but adds work hours.

Pardon my ignorance if they are and I'm asking a totally dumb question.

Everything I've done and completed (and even a few other people, like EOJ & adverse) have been posted at . Just go omake->translations to read them.

I actually had some friends who went to Japan last year and met up with Shou and had them ask for Garyu Retsuden, some obscure Data East PCB, and the PCB shops go who's looking for this? and they said some guy in America and they just laughed and go you know how rare that is?

Shou knows his shit. And yeah, I think retro shops do (or did) get a kick out of westeerners coming and asking for highly obscure stuff by name. Junya Inoue's eyes lit up when I busted out my [url=http://www.gamengai.com/bn_inf.php?id=1633]Skull Hornets book. On the flip side, if you ask for something totally retarded, they will laugh at you. I believe it was Shou that asked for Mokugeki at Mak, and they told him what crap it was (as did I after credit feeding to the end). I have a flyer of Garyu Retsuden btw. Never played it -- any good?

Back to the topic at hand: After making an LS-30 controller, I don't think I'd want to play their two awesome rotary games without them. I own Heavy Barrel and Midnight Resistance. While they're both kind of easy, they're heaps of fun. I don't know if I'd like using some shoulder button emulation, but it's better than nothing I suppose.

One of DECO's best console games is Atomic Runner on Genesis. It looks and sounds a lot better than the arcade (Chelnov), with parallax that the original never had. The alternate control schemes also help (there's one with A for left shot, B for jump, and C for right shot). AR is one that was worthy of a Saturn sequel.

You will be excited (and I guess disappointed) to know that AR was being ported to the Saturn and eventually canceled. There are a few betas of it floating about on the interweb. I posted a video of it on gamengai ages ago, but that part of the site is gone now. Pretty much looked like the arcade version but with a boot screee.

caldwert · Post by **caldwert** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:56 am

I have no clue what Mokugeki is? Also, I've never played Garyu Retsuden. Just saw some pictures and thought it looked like something I definitely want to own. I am going to have to hunt down a copy of Atomic Runner on Genesis now. I own the PCB, but the Genesis version sounds like something I'd like to own though. I actually own more Data East PCB's than anything else. I think around 17 or 18 right now.

yojo! · Post by **yojo!** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:31 am

caldwert wrote:I have no clue what Mokugeki is? Also, I've never played Garyu Retsuden. Just saw some pictures and thought it looked like something I definitely want to own. I am going to have to hunt down a copy of Atomic Runner on Genesis now. I own the PCB, but the Genesis version sounds like something I'd like to own though. I actually own more Data East PCB's than anything else. I think around 17 or 18 right now.

Do you own Tattoo Assassins ?

. I played the cab at work a couple of years ago; what a turd.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:39 am

caldwert wrote:I have no clue what Mokugeki is?

Downtown is the English title. I'll do you the favor of not pointing you to it.

I actually own more Data East PCB's than anything else. I think around 17 or 18 right now.

I only own Heavy Barrel & Gondomania right now. There's a few other DECO games I'm quite up for playing.

Pixel_Outlaw · Post by **Pixel_Outlaw** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:48 am

This is great news.
I will shout "I'M BAD" at the cashier as I purchase.

caldwert · Post by **caldwert** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:36 am

Ah yes, Downtown. Why'd he want that? Is it rare in Japan? I know exactly what it is.

Yojo, what you played was probably extremely rare. Supposedly only 2 full sets of that Tattoo Assassins ever got released according to stuff I read. I also read its god awful but funny in spots.

Here's what all I own from Data East:

Bad Dudes
Battle Lane Vol. 5
Breywood
Chelnov: Atomic Runner
Desert Assault
Diet Go Go
Fire Trap
Gate of Doom
Karnov
Last Mission
Psychonics OSCAR
Ring King
Robocop
Spinmaster MVS
Tumblepop
Vapor Trail
Wizard Fire

There's a lot I want to pick up still too. Hopefully at this next auction I can score a cheap Data East rotary cabinet. I'd love to pick up Heavy Barrel, Midnight Resistance, and Gondomania then.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:59 am

HELL @ Saturn Atomic Runner cancellation. Game was amazing, at least the Genesis rev (as mentioned before). A bit silly that the improved turn-and-shoot-on-one-button scheme wasn't the default, but at least they put the option in so I can't complain much.

Pixel Outlaw makes me proud.

I need to check out Gondomania, and also figure out how to get my LS-30 assembled and working on my supergun.

yojo!: Tattoo Assassins (needs an ampersand somewhere in there) may be uber rare but there's always MAME. I thought it was just a prototype (as in just one or two completed cabinets, no actual manufacture), so really nobody has gotten to play it outside of MAME and Data East USA (isn't that an oxymoron? Then again that fits TA just fine).

Magic Knight · Post by **Magic Knight** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:44 am

Have you got the X68000 version of Chelnov? Very nice version, comes with a device to connect Megadrive joypads and joysticks to the X68000 so you can use all three buttons.

louisg · Post by **louisg** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 2:25 pm

Huh, I didn't know people were into Atomic Runner. It always bugged me that you couldn't at least slowly walk backwards on the screen.

emphatic · Post by **emphatic** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:15 pm

Chelnov is awesome. But is Battle Lane Vol. 5 really a DECO game? I always thought it was Taito? It was a bitch getting the all clear on that game when I was 14, I guess I would be totally fucked trying that today. I only have Psycho-Nics Oscar and Sly Spy/Secret Agent. I would really like to have the Darwin 4078 PCB though, but I saw it listed from Japan this week and it was a tad expensive.

Edit: It seems I was right (from MAWS):

"The actual licensing of the game went from Taito to Tecmo who further licensed the title to Romstar. This was a common distribution technique for games which were perceived as being 'second tier' or less when compared to 'hit' games. The game is still great fun and is, unfortunately, underappreciated.

While popular history seems to think that Data East designed the game (because the pinout matches Data East pinouts) the internals of the two 6809 processors appear to be a little more complicated than that. The design internally is rather Machivellian. It seems almost like it was created by a hardware designer who did not like software programmers!"

caldwert · Post by **caldwert** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:58 pm

I just read that too emph. I was going by what KLOV said which I shouldn't have based on the fact their screen shot is totally discolored and well its KLOV which isn't ever updated.

gameoverDude · Post by **gameoverDude** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 12:56 am

GaijinPunch wrote:
caldwert wrote:I have no clue what Mokugeki is?
Downtown is the English title. I'll do you the favor of not pointing you to it.

I actually own more Data East PCB's than anything else. I think around 17 or 18 right now.
I only own Heavy Barrel & Gondomania right now. There's a few other DECO games I'm quite clean on playing.

Eww, Downtown. I tried it once and wish I hadn't. It plays like an urban themed Ikari III: The Rescue - which itself is a lameass overhead beat'em up with rotary control. GP is doing you a VERY BIG favor.

GaijinPunch wrote: You will be excited (and I guess disappointed) to know that AR was being ported to the Saturn and eventually canceled. There are a few betas of it floating about on the interweb. I posted a video of it on gamengai ages ago, but that part of the site is gone now. Pretty much looked like the arcade version but with a boot screee.

Shame about the Saturn AR being killed. That would've been a good release, even if it were the arcade version instead of a tricked-out 32-bit remake.

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