Dezaemon questions

[arromdee]

I don't have this game, but was thinking of hunting one down, but I'm a little confused. Could someone please help me? Google has proven useless.

If Dezaemon Kids has 100 user-created shmups on it, does that mean that there is another Dezaemon game that the save files are compatible with, where the users made those shmups? (Or did they just get prerelease versions?)

Are the two Dezaemon games for PSX different aside from the user interface?

Are there any web sites with downloadable games for either PSX game? (It should be possible to use a Dex Drive to get them to the PSX.)

Is this one of the games which is noticeably better on one system or another (Saturn/PSX)? Do the two systems have different premade games?

[matt]

If Dezaemon Kids has 100 user-created shmups on it, does that mean that there is another Dezaemon game that the save files are compatible with, where the users made those shmups? (Or did they just get prerelease versions?)

Those games are from Dezemon Plus; an earlier version of Deza.

Is this one of the games which is noticeably better on one system or another (Saturn/PSX)? Do the two systems have different premade games?

The Saturn has one version of Dezaemon (Deza 2), while the PSX has two of them (Deza Plus and Kids). Kids is the latest one, and most people (including me) will tell you that it's the best.

The PSX versions are a lot more user-friendly, because you can save the games to an ordinary memory card and use a normal PSX mouse. With the Saturn rev, you need to dedicate an entire RAM cart to the game, which is both anoying and expensive.

[arromdee]

Those games are from Dezemon Plus; an earlier version of Deza.

So does this mean I need a copy of both Plus and Kids to play the games from Kids?

[matt]

Only Kids.

But make sure you get the original release. The "superlite" rerelease doesn't have 'em IIRC.

Not that you'd be missing a whole lot, though.

[ryosnk]

What are the average prices that this Dezaemon's go for?

[roushimsx]

The N64 version needs more love

[Kiken]

Only Kids.

But make sure you get the original release. The "superlite" rerelease doesn't have 'em IIRC.

Not that you'd be missing a whole lot, though.

I own the Superlite Simple 1500 Yen series release of Dezaemon Kids and it does include the 100+ contest entry games.

The Saturn version is the most thorough.. allowing a considerably higher level of interaction with the programming world of the game... however, it's also rather difficult to navigate and as stated, you will need a Sega brand Memory cart (which you really should have anyway) to save a game file (which takes up 2400 k, roughly a third of the cart).

[druuna]

Interesting...
Is this in eglish or japanese?
Is it easy to use?

[raiden]

The N64 version needs more love

well, try me. I´ve never seen the N64 version, but I´d love to hear something about it.

[captain ahar]

i have the saturn release Dezaemon 2 and can testify about its density. i speak no japanese at all, and between the manual (explaining the basics of the tools) and the game itself being quite menu-driven where it counts it is difficult to get a lock on things.

the biggest problems i can state about D2 is the cart-requirement, and given this, a jp saturn is the best option (not necessarily only though, not sure about how modding the system might change things). Also, the mouse acceleration is very fast in-game, which makes drawing the game elements a bit difficult. I use both hands and do alright with it though.

[Rob]

Speaking of Dezaemon, I've read there's an official/unofficial Bio Metal sequel in one of them (only Saturn or other systems as well?). How is it?

[raiden]

I´m probably not qualified, as I never spent much time, with the original Biometal, but in general, I´d say you can consider the games contained in Dezaemon 2 rather as techdemos than serious games. They are supposed to be techdemos, you can analyze every trick in the editor to find new ways of using it. As games, well, you can play them "for a quick blast", but not much more.

[sven666]

i have dezamon on the snes, dont speak any japanese and let me tell you.. i cant navigate it for shit!

maybe the psx/sat ones are more userfriendly tho??

[dave4shmups]

The N64 version needs more love

well, try me. I´ve never seen the N64 version, but I´d love to hear something about it.

Well it does have an awesome pre-made Raystorm clone on it; it's honestly at least as good, if not better, then Raystorm. So the game is worth getting for that alone, IMO.

[captain ahar]

Speaking of Dezaemon, I've read there's an official/unofficial Bio Metal sequel in one of them (only Saturn or other systems as well?). How is it?

its not bad. you may recognize as one of a few who liked Bio Metal around here. the sequel is called Bio Metal Gust, and of the three included from the start (see here to unlock others) it is the clear winner in all departments. however, it is worth noting that the charge for the options is unlimited, so the game plays very differently.

for those curious about the pack, of the five games included (see link), the best is Vexsarsion. it has some very nice bullet effects going for it.