Raiden IV 360 US-Bound...

[Rob]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t742aEAAC-I

CGR review for Raiden IV went up today. Goes into detail on what it's like to actually play the game and as a comical change of pace he calls the game a value.

[Chacranajxy]

If you don't care about the genre you couldn't possible tell the difference from 1942 Joint Strike and Mushihimesama Futari.

I disagree with that.

There are major design differences between the two, and Futari is incredibly eye-catching, especially in its high-res incarnation.

"Mushihime is 2D and also has gay colors everywhere."

I guarantee you that line will show up sooner or later when the inevitable comparison between Mushi and the downloadable shmups gets made.

[Elixir]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t742aEAAC-I

CGR review for Raiden IV went up today. Goes into detail on what it's like to actually play the game and as a comical change of pace he calls the game a value.

Sounds like you.

[agustusx]

If you don't care about the genre you couldn't possible tell the difference from 1942 Joint Strike and Mushihimesama Futari.

I disagree with that.

There are major design differences between the two, and Futari is incredibly eye-catching, especially in its high-res incarnation.

Sounds like you care.

[doctorx0079]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t742aEAAC-I

CGR review for Raiden IV went up today. Goes into detail on what it's like to actually play the game and as a comical change of pace he calls the game a value.

Needs a xoxak review.

[kid aphex]

xbla hasnt made anyone think shmups should cost less.

Er. Read yours and Chacranajxy's posts. You're both aghast that they're treating it like something greater than XBLA retro-impulse buy trash. I'd expect people at shmups.com to get the value of the genre. Sad.

the 'value of the genre' is relative to the people who are interested in the genre, which as i suggested [and is generally accepted] are a small number of people.
its easy to understand really.

and...what did i say that made me seem "aghast"...?

[HamidoOs]

I'm new to shmups. Gonna buy an xbox for some shmups and fighting games, and Raiden IV is on my list.

I wanted to buy a UC Xbox, but in my country all you can find is PAL. If I'm lucky I'll probably find a J XBox. My question is, are the Japanese version of Raiden IV's text and menus in Japanese?

Also, what do you recommend in general: J or UC? I know I want Mushihime and other japanese stuff, but are those games' text and menus in Japanese too?

And, Hi everyone! I like this community

[agustusx]

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Also, what do you recommend in general: J or UC? I know I want Mushihime and other japanese stuff, but are those games' text and menus in Japanese too?

If you want fighting games you can get your fill on either a US or J 360.

However for shmups there are some exclusives in J territory. The US system has two retail games I am aware of Raiden Fighter Aces and Raiden IV. Also it has a few XBLA games like Omega5, 1942 joint strike, Triggerheart Exelica and Ikaruga. All these titles are also available in japan.

What you will only find in Japan360 is DDPDOJ BLEX, Deathsmiles, Castle Shikigami 3,Shooting Love 200x, Otomedius G, and most likely Mushihimesama Futari.

From my experience most japanese arcade games use English for menus. However there are a few exceptions. Really verbose dialog tends to be in japanese for obvious reasons.

[Rob]

its easy to understand really.

Yes, it is. The value of the genre to you is 'impulse buy trash' which is generally accepted as 'not getting it'.

[monkeyman]

Regarding content already on the disc, I think SFIV costumes were even worse. The costumes are on disc, and they sold a new set each week. Then in the end they came out with a single download that unlocked all the costumes and saved you a good bit of money.

I think the difference between the two is that the new outfits in SFIV were purely cosmetic and that many considered the game to have a healthy roster of features and unlockable characters. While the outfits were present in the arcades (I think) the console port felt complete without them. While I'd rather the outfits were in the game, since they don't change the gameplay at all I'm perfectly happy without them.

The extra ships in Raiden IV however, seem to be regarded as a core feature of the game. My objection wouldn't be that they're physically present on the disk, but that I would expect the full ship roster to be available anyway. If all 3 ships were present and there were some 'extra' ships available as DLC I don't think that would be so much of an issue regarless of whether they were on the disc or not.

That said though, as I don't have the game (not out of protest but availability) I probably should leave it at that in case I start speaking out of ignorance!

[Limbrooke]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t742aEAAC-I

CGR review for Raiden IV went up today. Goes into detail on what it's like to actually play the game and as a comical change of pace he calls the game a value.

Needs a xoxak review.

Indeed, while that review was good I second the motion for more xoxak reviews.

[agustusx]

The extra ships in Raiden IV however, seem to be regarded as a core feature of the game.

I think the default ship with its various weapon options is really the core game. The other ships are just a nice extra if your interested. Just my opinion after buying the DLC ships and playing it a few days.

I think the extra ships are a decent value, its rare to see DLC for 80pts.

[monkeyman]

Well you have the game and I don't so I'll defer to your experience over my speculation!

[Acid King]

Okay, so the Milestone Collection? The upcoming release of Illvelo? And while crappy, there's stuff like Omega 5 and Soldner-X getting cheap releases on downloadable services. While it's true that last gen's shmups weren't budget releases, they absolutely are now.

And I mean, it's not like I'm boycotting the game - I bought it and the DLC already. But I do think it's a stupid business decision and it's guaranteed to make the sales of this game as bad as they possibly can be.

Milestone Shooting was 2 old games and a game that only previously been ported to Dreamcast, and really only happened because the publisher held over the release of the GC version of Radilgy. So Illvelo is... one game. That's what you're basing your price point on? It's nonsense. $40 is less than full retail price, $20 cheaper than what most games get released at, it includes a copy of the soundtrack and is a fairly recent arcade game. There's nothing to bitch about here. It's pretty much as Rob suggested, you're suggesting that these games, regardless of their pedigree, be priced according to that mass of gamers who don't really play or understand these games and their expectation that these games are essentially all the same and are equally worthless.

[kid aphex]

its easy to understand really.

Yes, it is. The value of the genre to you is 'impulse buy trash' which is generally accepted as 'not getting it'.

when did i say, or even suggest the genre was 'impulse buy trash'?

either you're a blinded fanboy suffering from ignorance and myopia (as most do), or you're genuinely incapable of understanding the written word.

if its the latter, congrats on making it through 6000+ posts.

[kid aphex]

you're suggesting that these games, regardless of their pedigree, be priced according to that mass of gamers who don't really play or understand these games and their expectation that these games are essentially all the same and are equally worthless.

what reality do you people live in---where the market price of an item isn't driven by the demand for it?

[kid aphex]

who doesn't realize the higher price was a move by the publisher to maximize profits from the early-adopting fanbase?
new copies that weren't sold immediately [to the SMALL, crazy fanbase] will QUICKLY drop in price---
a higher profit margin on the copies that DID SELL offsets losses the retailer might take on the game as it loses its legs, which, unless this game reignites the genre n the US like SF4 did, will most likely happen.

[Acid King]

what reality do you people live in---where the market price of an item isn't driven by the demand for it?

What reality do you live in where companies don't market and price according to their market? Do you think Dogfish Head or Stone should sell 90 Minute IPA and Arrogant Bastard for $10 a case because douchebags that drink PBR think it's overpriced? UFO, and Gamestop for that matter, know who are going to buy the game and the game probably had a pretty small print because of that. I bet a lot of Gamestop stores didn't even get copies because no one preordered it and those who did get copies probably only got one or two and when they are gone, they probably won't get more. It's a niche game and the publisher knows that.

[Raizen1984]

$40 is less than full retail price, $20 cheaper than what most games get released at, it includes a copy of the soundtrack and is a fairly recent arcade game.

3 years ago isn't recent. The arcade game also ran on long-since-obsolete PC hardware. This is the Xbox 360 we're talking about.

[kid aphex]

what reality do you people live in---where the market price of an item isn't driven by the demand for it?

What reality do you live in where companies don't market and price according to their market? Do you think Dogfish Head or Stone should sell 90 Minute IPA and Arrogant Bastard for $10 a case because douchebags that drink PBR think it's overpriced? UFO, and Gamestop for that matter, know who are going to buy the game and the game probably had a pretty small print because of that. I bet a lot of Gamestop stores didn't even get copies because no one preordered it and those who did get copies probably only got one or two and when they are gone, they probably won't get more. It's a niche game and the publisher knows that.

i posted virtually the same point, sans beer analogy, a post above you. reading comprehension. maybe...drink less?

my original argument, which went right over Rob's defensive head, was that at least for the moment, there is a difference between the physical-retail market and the digidistributed market; that while cheap prices on DLable games affect mainstream opinion on shmup-release pricing, their effect on the hardcore is totally negligible.

to a gamer subscribing to the mainstream zeitgeist of hit-based adver-sites like IGN and Gamespot---this is an overpriced game.
but who cares what they think...?

[Acid King]

i posted virtually the same point, sans beer analogy, a post above you. reading comprehension. maybe...drink less?

Really, it's because I had the window with my reply in it open for awhile. But ignoring the prickish comment about reading comprehension, it begs the question, if you understood that they are marketing and pricing to a specific audience, why would you reply with a statement like that in the first place?

[kid aphex]

i posted virtually the same point, sans beer analogy, a post above you. reading comprehension. maybe...drink less?

Really, it's because I had the window with my reply in it open for awhile. But ignoring the prickish comment about reading comprehension, it begs the question, if you understood that they are marketing and pricing to a specific audience, why would you reply with a statement like that in the first place?

lol did you have THIS reply window open for a while?

i addressed the issue because of rob [read above]

[Acid King]

lol did you have THIS reply window open for a while?

i addressed the issue because of rob [read above]

Then you should try elaborating your position in your response to Rob instead of contradicting yourself in follow up posts.

[angrycoder]

i posted virtually the same point, sans beer analogy, a post above you. reading comprehension. maybe...drink less?

Nothing you've posted in this thread makes any sense. Your comment trying to slam other posters for 'reading comprehension' is hysterical given your awful sentence structure and incompetent punctuation.

[Elixir]

a higher profit margin on the copies that DID SELL offsets losses the retailer might take on the game as it loses its legs, which, unless this game reignites the genre n the US like SF4 did, will most likely happen.

I assume you're basing your assumption off Senko's US release (the JP LE is actually rare), but you can't predict the future of Raiden IV and you can't claim that it won't become a rare title/common.

I mean, a game with a small print at full price, of course the publisher would exploit this. But it's still a game with a small print, which makes me think it will do the exact opposite. Go up.

[kid aphex]

Nothing you've posted in this thread makes any sense. Your comment trying to slam other posters for 'reading comprehension' is hysterical given your awful sentence structure and incompetent punctuation.

i guess you're right for slamming me on that reading comprehension dig. sorry.

[kid aphex]

lol did you have THIS reply window open for a while?

i addressed the issue because of rob [read above]

Then you should try elaborating your position in your response to Rob instead of contradicting yourself in follow up posts.

sorry, i just don't see how im contradicting myself. originally i said that i agreed with IGN's review, relative to their audience and position in the industry. i also stated i felt this game was priced a bit high, despite my love for the genre/game itself.

then i was unfairly accused of totally negating the value of the entire genre.

*shrugs*

[Acid King]

sorry, i just don't see how im contradicting myself. originally i said that i agreed with IGN's review, relative to their audience and position in the industry. i also stated i felt this game was priced a bit high, despite my love for the genre/game itself.

then i was unfairly accused of totally negating the value of the entire genre.

*shrugs*

Earlier you said XBLA hasn't made "anyone" think shooters should cost less, which I see you've now edited to "fans", then posted that it has made mainstream gamers think that way and you responded to me as if they weren't or shouldn't be pricing to a niche market and made a post right afterward saying thats basically what they did. If your original point was that, all you had to do was clarify your point, which wasn't very clear in your original post.

[MathU]

I guess someone at IGN reads the forums - they've removed the error in the opening sentence.

Sorry for being late to the party, but what was it?

[Malc74]

I guess someone at IGN reads the forums - they've removed the error in the opening sentence.

Sorry for being late to the party, but what was it?

The article initially said that Raiden Fighters Aces had been published by UFO Interactive (when twelve seconds of research or, you know, actually owning a copy of the game, would have told the writer it was Valcon).