Comiket 76 thread

[TrevHead (TVR)]

I wonder whatever happened to the hentai Raiden-like 360º shooter...

The devs are proberlly laying low with all the witch hunting thats happening to the hentia industry atm.
Infact i woundnt be supprised if they changed their names and had plastic surgery due to the shit storm westerners kickedoff about that game rapelay which has coarsed a backlash including most forms of H been banned for export

[kennyrh]

What the hell is up with this comiket? so far only Touhou12, MagiMagi & Arcanum Echo showed up. Anyone with more luck finding others?

It seems like a bomb in general for any type of games but it certainly has to be one of the most disappointing for shmups. I thought the ones that did come out were quality, though. Enjoyed TH 12 more than any of the others ( I'm not a big fan) and I quite liked the game mechanics of Arcanum Echo.

Here's hoping the Winter Comiket sets things right.

[manatworks]

Th12 is awesome,all of the shot type isn't that tedious as 11 (imho)----and i got my favorite Master Spark back Yay!!!

Btw i think MagiMagi is from Shirokuro Station, Not Kit-station ,well, i've tried all of their previous demo and all of them seems to be very bad game,i've to wait until i got my hand on their latest version to see if there're any improvement.

in short:still need to wait for more stuff to showing up ,oh man, I want more Ruminant's Whimper and Studio Siesta stuffs

P.S. i beg you,Platine Dispositif, Make more shmups, i've got enough dungeon crawler
P.S.2 WHERE IS MY REFRAIN FULL VERSION!!!111!

[Observer]

in short:still need to wait for more stuff to showing up ,oh man, I want more Ruminant's Whimper and Studio Siesta stuffs

P.S. i beg you,Platine Dispositif, Make more shmups, i've got enough dungeon crawler
P.S.2 WHERE IS MY REFRAIN FULL VERSION!!!111!

Agreed wholeheartedly! Not sure what happened this C76 but a lot of stuff is missing. Ah, well, these things have their ups and downs. Let's hope C77 or the next will turn out better.

I'm liking TH12 so far but I'm waiting for all the hype to die down a bit and to get a proper copy before starting to play it nonstop.

[AraraSPAMWitch]

got rid of the stupid power/bomb thing from 10 and 11 in favour of standard bombing system

True dat...I hated the last two games for this reason mainly, I'm a shooting game pansy, I like bombing my way through difficult sections and I like keeping my powerups to boot. So yeah, for this reason alone I'm really digging UFO. I also really like the flying saucer system, the novelty of it'll probably wear off in a day, but I'm having fun now so what the hey.

music, uh, its touhou music so naturally 5 billion nerds are gonna go crazy.

http://benny0.wordpress.com/2009/08/18/ufo/

[TrevHead (TVR)]

Apart from touhou 12 which of them are full releases?

[Danbo]

http://benny0.wordpress.com/2009/08/18/ufo/

Bet that guy credit fed his way through.

[manatworks]

try to play Arcanum Echo today ,i think it's quite nice--but nothing special. May be i've to take my time to get into the system
and as i expected MagiMagi didn't show obvious improvement from previous demo version,i "still" hope that the full version will get better.

in short : it seems that i've to work on TH12 until more stuffs show up lolz

[kennyrh]

Apart from touhou 12 which of them are full releases?

Magi Magi isn't . . .not sure about Arcanum Echo, though. It's not up for sale at Himeya Shop, so chances are it's still WIP.

The only two full releases I know of are Hinamizawa Bunkou -Final Match from M3-Type which hasn't surfaced from Comiket and Sanae no Youkai Taiji Shinan from Gatling Cat which is one of those wanding around shooting things and picking up powerups that the Japanese love so much.

If anybody has more news please let us know . . .

[TrevHead (TVR)]

concerning the shortage of games i came across this freeware jap called MayaKay on a italian blog. It doesnt seem to in anyothe english websites so i thouht i would mention it.

http://www.idealsoftblog.it/2009/08/may ... eware.html

Its not my cup of tea but its worth giving it a go

[AraraSPAMWitch]

http://benny0.wordpress.com/2009/08/18/ufo/

Bet that guy credit fed his way through.

Yeah, but playing Touhou isn't actually about playing Touhou, it's about the feelings, man! And frilly bows.

Yeah, I like the series but the fucking retards who comprise of most of the fanbase make me cringe. But at least he played it. A lot of touhou nuts haven't even touched a game in the series.

But yeah, I find stuff like that so nauseating because I was that guy a few years back.

"The star of Final Fantasy Tactics is most surely the soundtrack...commanding troops takes a backseat as you let the aural wonder of 野菜の女 (track 12 on the official OST) wash over your soul and raise your mind to heights of previously unthought grandeur...it is, in a word, a TRIUMPH..."

On another note, downloaded the Arcanum Echo trial because one can never have enough shooting games with cute anime girls and...one really can have enough of such games. COMPLETE SHITE. I'm actually really enjoying the trial version of black package eXceed or whatever the hell it's called a lot though--the addition of multiple bullet colors is enough to launch it way ahead of the original. Beauty is skin deep, but I might pick up a full copy at some point in time.

[lgb]

I've heard claims that eXceed 3rd BP was rescheduled for C77.

[jonny5]

http://benny0.wordpress.com/2009/08/18/ufo/

i am still laughing after reading that.....wow......

[originalz]

That Kikikaikai clone was somewhat dissapointing. Oh well, better than Kikikaikai World, I guess.

[postman]

Black Package has been released at C76, I can confirm that.....

Overall it was a highly disappointing edition for shooters........Alltynex 2nd was polished and reworked a bit, but still only 3 levels, the Purple Heart 360 degree game sucks, UFO was underwhelming IMO......

I hope Winter Comiket is much better ;(

[Kaspal]

Black Package has been released at C76, I can confirm that.....

Overall it was a highly disappointing edition for shooters........Alltynex 2nd was polished and reworked a bit, but still only 3 levels, the Purple Heart 360 degree game sucks, UFO was underwhelming IMO......

I hope Winter Comiket is much better ;(

GOD i hope so!.... this one was pretty much dissapointing-

[EPS21]

http://benny0.wordpress.com/2009/08/18/ufo/

Bet that guy credit fed his way through.

credit feeding since the 10th game just brings you back to the beginning of the stage at stock lives though. Pretty horrible, but good in the way once its game over, continuing is a pain and just compels you to restart.

[Observer]

http://benny0.wordpress.com/2009/08/18/ufo/

Bet that guy credit fed his way through.

credit feeding since the 10th game just brings you back to the beginning of the stage at stock lives though. Pretty horrible, but good in the way once its game over, continuing is a pain and just compels you to restart.

Agreed. While I hate this myself, especially if I get owned towards the very end, it's a good way to encourage the players to do better on earlier stages and, indeed, 1cc the damn thing. Luckily, with the old bombing back, TH12 isn't as hard as the previous entries.

Back to C76, no signs of Stella Vanity, either the guy didn't go (doubt so) or he was just there in a consumerist frenzy more than anything else.

As I commented to postman, the only one that seems to have gotten more content, fluff and polish was RefRain but it still appears to be buggy as hell at some points, especially the first boss, which you can LOLBOMB in a matter of seconds... the complete opposite of eXceed bosses that take you well over 4 mins to beat with all the pointless slowdown and graphical fluff. Without mentioning the voice acting (shrieks) destroys my ear.

And I bet it's not complete yet because it probably needs an extra, the remaining voice acting and the missing full body loli shots to justify the "JADE PENETRATE WITH A BLACK PACKAGE", etc.

The hentai Raiden-like shooter was out but I have to agree with postman: it sucked. The trial looked mildly interesting but it was way too short and now I can see why!

[Zeether]

The Alltynex2nd demo's all right but it will NOT penalize for creditfeeding and you take a lot of cheap hits.

[Observer]

Crimzon Clover alone made this quite awful C76 worth:

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm8060640

It's not perfect by any means but it's as close as we are getting to Cave for PC without getting proper Cave ports and until DoDonBashi shows up.

Look at that, ground targets, tanks, turrets, choppers, lasers, punchi punchi music and huge mechanical bosses. Needs more EVAC and silly copilots and it would be full house. Crap, it even has lock-on guided laser missiles. And that "Break Everything" mode plus the stars everywhere and pretty numbers, the non-stop missile barrages... Obviously, I'm sold.

Personally, I thought this one is so much better than Stella Vanity... Both contain slowdowns to some extent but Stella Vanity is the greatest offender. Way too much slowdown.

[manatworks]

Crimzon Clover alone made this quite awful C76 worth:

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm8060640

ok,i'm sold too ,where i can get the demo?

[Benny1]

Oh come on now, you're trying to laugh at my behind my back? You all are silly.
http://replays.gensokyo.org/index.php?u ... &d=--&ch=0
If you really think I credit fed, please watch those replays. I am laughing that you think I don't know how to play touhou games. Bonus points, I'm a forum admin and irc operator over for shrinemaiden.org. Just so you know. I didn't get that position by not playing the games, too. Just so you know.

And if you want to laugh at me over that blog post, please feel free, but I would rather you don't associate me with "the cancer that is killing Touhou" because the cancer that is killing touhou is 12 year old 4chan retards who wouldn't understand symbolism if it smacked them on the face with an anvil, and I'm slightly offended that you would place me there.

But only slightly because I made that blog post fully realizing 90% of people who would read it would laugh at it.

[AraraSPAMWitch]

Oh come on now, you're trying to laugh at my behind my back? You all are silly.
http://replays.gensokyo.org/index.php?u ... &d=--&ch=0
If you really think I credit fed, please watch those replays. I am laughing that you think I don't know how to play touhou games. Bonus points, I'm a forum admin and irc operator over for shrinemaiden.org. Just so you know. I didn't get that position by not playing the games, too. Just so you know.

And if you want to laugh at me over that blog post, please feel free, but I would rather you don't associate me with "the cancer that is killing Touhou" because the cancer that is killing touhou is 12 year old 4chan retards who wouldn't understand symbolism if it smacked them on the face with an anvil, and I'm slightly offended that you would place me there.

But only slightly because I made that blog post fully realizing 90% of people who would read it would laugh at it.

No one said that you never played the game. It's just that the blog post gave almost no commentary on the actual game's mechanics so someone may easily assume the author himself lacked in knowledge. You can play the game a hell of a lot better than I can, however, so thanks for letting me know.

That said, I still stand by my opinion on the post. I'd consider it less "the cancer that is killing Touhou" (as there is no such thing) and more like "really really embarrassing example of bad videogame writing." Instead of using your knowledge to give the world an insightful critique of the game and its relation to other games in the series and the genre, you hyperventilate for several paragraphs over what is essentially bouncy pop music with "Asian" overtones and its symbolic relationship to...I dunno what, and fuck, I've written so many goddamn papers on literary symbolism I should recognize this shit by now.

But it's a blog post dude, you put it out there on the internet and since I'm assuming you actually do this so that people read it you shouldn't get all surprised when people sometimes make negative comments about it and that, gasp, they do it on public discussion forums. I mean, hell, I've posted more than my share of retarded babble in my internet career and have deserved (and received) public humiliation many a time, it's the way of the internet....

[lgb]

congratulations Benny, you completely ignored anything said and assumed it was a personal attack, wtgm

owned by facts, you became what you speak of

[Benny1]

Awww, I shouldn't have posted that, should I have. Oh well.

No, there is no public humiliation and I don't mind having silly responses made because like I said, this is just babble about how I really really enjoyed something about a game and rambled about for a few paragraphs. If I had to critique the game itself I'd say it's a pretty fun game, the stage danmaku is a bit more intense, it reminds me sort of of Esp.Ra.De stage... 5, where you really want to be getting those 16x bonuses to clear the stage or you just get a wall of bullets, except you're using UFOs this time.

I guess maybe I really should actually think before I post things like that, I've done this more than once /o/.

Also lgb what on earth did I become, please please please don't tell me you mean I'm becoming "the cancer killing touhou", not mention how on earth was I "owned by the facts".
</saving face>

[Enhasa]

This thread delivers.


Does anyone have a link to the c76 RefRain trial? Assuming it has 4 stages now, I'd like to try it again, just out of morbid curiosity though. After Samidare, I was pretty excited for this next game of theirs after the great c73 trial. I thought it was a perfect first stage since it was easy but still cool and with a couple scoring tricks. Then the c74 trial came out and it turned out that was now stage 2, and even easier because the awesome boss attack that you actually had to plan around was completely nerfed. (That was one of my favorite boss attacks of all time, although it must be said the ones I like the most are the ones people hate the most, like Shoot the Bullet ex-7 / 2nd Subterranean Animism boss.) The new stage 1 was crap and basically the game was a lot worse in every way. c75 was even worse than c74, with new ultralaggy, noninteractive, broken new loli character. So now I'm interested in this game only to see how bad it might end up.

Of course, if it was up to me, the easiest fix for this game would just be to scrap bombs entirely and have medals in place of the energy pickups. I'd like this game again if they just did that.

[LtC]

Alltynex2nd looks a lot more polished now. That's about it though, some changes like some sort of improved scoring system and Border Down's Energy bar system are included to the game now. and you still kill all the bosses in 1½ seconds with the melee mode

Also, here's another hopeless bump for the new RefRain trial, if it ever existed in the first place.




and not so relevant to c76 (probably) but here's another ketsui doujin that came out:
http://www.vector.co.jp/soft/dl/winnt/g ... 78255.html
Some sort of mix of ketsui death label and ddp2, pretty fun. 5 stages long, last stage is pretty much a clone of Ketsui's stage 5.
(gameplay vid)

[TrevHead (TVR)]

and not so relevant to c76 (probably) but here's another ketsui doujin that came out:
http://www.vector.co.jp/soft/dl/winnt/g ... 78255.html
Some sort of mix of ketsui death label and ddp2, pretty fun. 5 stages long, last stage is pretty much a clone of Ketsui's stage 5.
(gameplay vid)

Thx i do like these Cave influenced doujins moreso then the more popular Touhou stuff. It looks very much like Patriot Dark.

How good is Alltynex2nd shaping up when compared to Siter skains other games Kamui and Reflex? On principle i wont play a demo of a unfinished game as it can spoil my enjoyment of the finished game, but Alltynex is trying my patience. Has Siter Skain given out a release date yet? cos it has been a while in development.

[Observer]

Release date? No, I don't think so. I took him like 10 years to go back to RefleX and finish it (development started in 1997/1998, final release was in 2008) and Alltynex2nd has been a WIP since 2004 or something like that.

The game looks far from complete yet, the guy is making progress. Looks decent but the jump to 3D isn't helping to speed things up.

By the way, found the RefRain C76 version. Now I think I get why they don't even want to release a trial download. That thing is horribly, hilariously buggy and broken at the moment. Boss fights still feel way too rough or unfinished and you can kill most subosses with a single attack of the overpowered option shots, yet it feels like you take eras to get rid of shitty popcorn enemies. It's a horrible contrast. Oh, and how can I forget of the poor optimisation that introduces nasty slowdowns when using the loli-pilot. The "concept reactor" feels pointless as well or I didn't find a proper use for it. It's a pity, some of the patterns are really cool and fast. The video posted by them looked decent but not I have to join the others and agree this is sinking rather quickly...

I'm intrigued about the new version of Zen-Ichi. Did it appear in C76?

[Taylor]

Crimzon Clover looks all kinds of awesome. Marsh was quite cool, even if I have to play it in a postage stamp sized window. First time I bombed I died but had a gigantic laser hover where I was to add insult to injury though!

Also, touhou symbolism