Classic games you don't like.

[FatCobra]

First two GBA F-Zero's are where I get my fix now.

Kind of off topic, but I really don't like these. They just feel... wrong somehow. They look like F-Zero, but they don't feel like it.

Definitely. F-Zero GP Legend was too fucking easy. Maximum Velocity, was ok, but lacked the spirit of the original. I gave up on the Gameboy Advance. To me, handhelds are a waste of time and money.

[Bar81]

I have Chi no Rondo, but I'm having bit of a hard time playing it seriously when a 12-year old french girl can whoop monster ass much more compenently than The Chosen One, The Slayer, The-One-Who's-Destiny-It-Is-To-Fight-Against-Things-That-Go-Bump-In-The-Night aka. Richter Belmont.

I assume you're joking as that's perhaps the lamest critique of the game I've ever heard. You don't get Maria until you beat the game and no one forces you to use her. In fact, I've never played as her because I feel she's a silly character. That however, has no relevance to the game itself.

See the winky smiley-face?

And you don't need to beat the game to play as Maria, you just need to save her which you can do in the first 10 minutes of the game.

That's why I qualified my response because I thought you were probably joking. Oh, like I said, I've never played as Maria so I never paid much attention to how to unlock her although I have rescued everyone

[captain ahar]

playing Chi no Rondo should be everyones duty as a player of video games. i grew up playing the "metroid castlevanias" (as i have heard them called, though i disagree) and while i had high hopes for X:CnR, i wasn't expecting to be bowled over by it.

i was a damn fool for underestimating its powers. it is an absolute triumph, in my eyes. currently, i play as Maria almost exclusively. mainly because she is carved out of rock, and also i suck with Richter... but only because playing with him demands skill and timing. i think i got halfway through the game with him, at my best. oh, and plus you gotta love the multiple pathways each with its own boss.

the only thing about this game i don't like is really my own problem. i can't just pick it up and play, i have to be in the mood. which honestly isn't very often. speaking of which, i'm in the mood now.

and if you don't have duo, magic engine is a few clicks of the mouse away.

[sethsez]

anybody who doesn't like CVIV should be taken apart in a laboratory.

Best platformer ever.
8 direction whipping. No other CV has that

I you hat cviv, then you probably hold grudges against it because of your unnatural hate towards the SNES.

I love the SNES (probably my favorite system overall) and hate CVIV for being a boring and ugly iteration in an otherwise exciting and stylish series.

[PaCrappa]

When it first came out I was absolutely in love with Splatterhouse. So as a big boy I purchased the PCB and found that it had not aged well with me. I then dug up my old hu card to see if I still liked the TG16 one and I don't. The gameplay just sucks and the control is less than perfect at times. The music is still cool though.

Pa

[Dartagnan1083]

anybody who doesn't like CVIV should be taken apart in a laboratory.

Best platformer ever.
8 direction whipping. No other CV has that

I you hat cviv, then you probably hold grudges against it because of your unnatural hate towards the SNES.

8 direction whipping doesn't make up for bland design.
I'm not talking about difficulty either. . .I found CvIV to be less exciting than the other Cv games.
Perhaps 8 direction whipping remains ONLY in CvIV for a reason
I like the NES Cv games better, hell. . .I even like the standard GB Cv games more.

If you really love CvIV they you probably
1.) haven't played it in years , and let nostolgia fiddle with your judgment
2.) haven't truly played the others

[BrianC]

anybody who doesn't like CVIV should be taken apart in a laboratory.

Best platformer ever.
8 direction whipping. No other CV has that

I you hat cviv, then you probably hold grudges against it because of your unnatural hate towards the SNES.

8 direction whipping doesn't make up for bland design.
I'm not talking about difficulty either. . .I found CvIV to be less exciting than the other Cv games.
Perhaps 8 direction whipping remains ONLY in CvIV for a reason
I like the NES Cv games better, hell. . .I even like the standard GB Cv games more.

If you really love CvIV they you probably
1.) haven't played it in years , and let nostolgia fiddle with your judgment
2.) haven't truly played the others

What is up with these blanket comments? I have played many of the other CV games and I still love CV IV. I also also played the game a few days ago. Seriously, I personally think some of you guys are just paying attention to how long the levels are or how easy the game is and ignoring everything else. I know the point of this topic is posting how you dislike popular games, but please leave the ignorant and annoying blanket comments out of this.

Also, Dartangan, I personally feel it's you who hasn't touched the games in years. The controls in CVIV aren't loose (if anything, they are very tight) and Donkey Kong Country doesn't have a huge problem with collision detection.

[sethsez]

Nah, I don't think CVIV is boring because the levels are long and easy, I think it's boring because the levels are long, easy, and absolutely bland. TO ME (note the emphasis) it feels like a fan-made Castlevania game, rather than one actually made by Konami.

And yeah, blanket statements are stupid. But how about not retaliating with more of them, hmm? It IS possible for people to genuinely dislike CVIV while enjoying the rest of the series.

[BrianC]

Nah, I don't think CVIV is boring because the levels are long and easy, I think it's boring because the levels are long, easy, and absolutely bland. TO ME (note the emphasis) it feels like a fan-made Castlevania game, rather than one actually made by Konami.

And yeah, blanket statements are stupid. But how about not retaliating with more of them, hmm? It IS possible for people to genuinely dislike CVIV while enjoying the rest of the series.

I never made a blanket statment. I was just asking questions to find out why so many people at shmups disliked CVIV to the point of putting down others who do like the game. I was also wondering how Bloodlines, which was generally considered a good game, but not close to the best in the series, suddenly seems to be the talk of the town on this forum. You just kept coming in trying to defend your views when I wasn't trying to challenge them in the first place. However, when Dartangean posted that blanket statment, I decided to post again since I felt some of his statements were indeed ignorant.

However, when I hear comments about games being bland or boring without valid evidence, I take them with a grain of salt. Sethsez, you gave valid reasons for disliking the game, but I personally feel that saying that a game is boring or bland without backing it up doesn't cut it. Seriously, I have heard that comment used here for games with long levels that have a ton of stuff going on like Gradius V.

[Rob]

However, when I hear comments about games being bland or boring without valid evidence, I take them with a grain of salt. Sethsez, you gave valid reasons for disliking the game, but I personally feel that saying that a game is boring or bland without backing it up doesn't cut it.

But then you'd say "OK, can we drop it?"

Exhibit A: spinning hook whip room.

[BrianC]

However, when I hear comments about games being bland or boring without valid evidence, I take them with a grain of salt. Sethsez, you gave valid reasons for disliking the game, but I personally feel that saying that a game is boring or bland without backing it up doesn't cut it.

But then you'd say "OK, can we drop it?"

Exhibit A: spinning hook whip room.

It's best to know when to shut up, but when the other party doesn't agree and says something rude in return, I get pissed. Seriously, it's not my fault.

[sethsez]

Well how do you want me to qualify it then? I'm not a game designer, so I don't have the vocabulary to fully express why I get tired when I play the game. I don't know exactly what aspects of the level design make me bored. But I AM bored, whether I can fully articulate why or not.

But here it goes anyway. The levels are long and easy. This is fine with platformers that make up for it with speed, flashiness, smooth controls, what have you. It's why people love Sonic despite the almost total lack of challenge. But Castlevania IV doesn't have much of this. Since it's an early Castlevania, you move slowly and deliberately. Now, that approach works for other CV games because the pace matches up with challenge... you don't mind the fact that you're moving at a snail's pace because the game is constantly throwing stuff at you. CVIV just kind of sits there, so it comes off as a slog rather than a deliberate journey to and through Dracula's castle.

As for the art, it's detailed but I find it flat and lifeless. There's no personality to it at all. Kind of like a competant Raiden clone on the PC, all the elements are there but there's still something missing.

Now, to contrast this with Bloodlines... that game has challenge, and personality. It might be the more flawed game overall, but I also find it the more interesting one by a longshot.

Does that explain my opinion better?

[BrianC]

Well how do you want me to qualify it then? I'm not a game designer, so I don't have the vocabulary to fully express why I get tired when I play the game. I don't know exactly what aspects of the level design make me bored. But I AM bored, whether I can fully articulate why or not.

But here it goes anyway. The levels are long and easy. This is fine with platformers that make up for it with speed, flashiness, smooth controls, what have you. It's why people love Sonic despite the almost total lack of challenge. But Castlevania IV doesn't have much of this. Since it's an early Castlevania, you move slowly and deliberately. Now, that approach works for other CV games because the pace matches up with challenge... you don't mind the fact that you're moving at a snail's pace because the game is constantly throwing stuff at you. CVIV just kind of sits there, so it comes off as a slog rather than a deliberate journey to and through Dracula's castle.

As for the art, it's detailed but I find it flat and lifeless. There's no personality to it at all. Kind of like a competant Raiden clone on the PC, all the elements are there but there's still something missing.

Now, to contrast this with Bloodlines... that game has challenge, and personality. It might be the more flawed game overall, but I also find it the more interesting one by a longshot.

Does that explain my opinion better?

I was talking in general, not specifically about you. Again, I heard what you had to say and I think you said enough. Please let this rest.

[sethsez]

Fair enough. Now to get back to bitching about classic games without having to justify ourselves, which is what this topic was supposed to be.

There is nothing special about Kid Icarus. It doesn't deserve an update any more than Ice Climber does.

[Dartagnan1083]

Also, Dartangan, I personally feel it's you who hasn't touched the games in years. The controls in CVIV aren't loose (if anything, they are very tight) and Donkey Kong Country doesn't have a huge problem with collision detection.

It's been less than a year since I last played CvIV.
less than a year since I last beat Rondo
It has been a bit since I played CvIII (no more than 2 years though), but I bought it after I bought CvIV, and remember ENJOYING IT.

As for DKC, I tried to break it out a few times. But got real bored real quick. I guess collision detection can be a difference in experience. Because I never had any serious collision problems in Sonic Adventure, but countless others did.

I find CvIVs jump controlls to be TOO floaty. When I can freely controll direction THAT much it tends to screw me up. I'm actually better at the momentum based jumping in the other games.
Multi directional whiping was OK, but it threw itself into the weak-sauce Limp whip far too often for me. Even if I trained myself not to hold the button so much it still happened a lot on accident. Leading to frustrating deaths.


Don't be so assumptive.
Then again, I probably should be either

[Herr Schatten]

There is nothing special about Kid Icarus. It doesn't deserve an update any more than Ice Climber does.

Actually, I'd love to have an update of or a sequel to Ice Climber.

[D]

Multi directional whiping was OK, but it threw itself into the weak-sauce Limp whip far too often for me. Even if I trained myself not to hold the button so much it still happened a lot on accident. Leading to frustrating deaths.

????
What dis meaning is?

Could someone plz elaborate.

[Marc]

IMO first six levels suck. Rest of the game is damn good.

[BrianC]

Fair enough. Now to get back to bitching about classic games without having to justify ourselves, which is what this topic was supposed to be.

There is nothing special about Kid Icarus. It doesn't deserve an update any more than Ice Climber does.

For the record, none of my posts were aimed directly at you. The posts I had a main problem with were Bar81's and Dartangan's. I don't even want to go into how messed up I think D's posts are. Seriously, can't you guys dislike a game without insulting the fanbase? Bar81, that comment is especially aimed at you. BTW, if everyone who played Rondo no Blood was supposed to hate CVIV, the author of the Castlevania Dungeon would be bashing it. He's unbaised, he has played the majority of the Castlevania games, and he likes CVIV. Again, you can hate CVIV or any other game you want, but when you insult the fanbase, I take issues.

Sethsez, I repiled directly to your posts becuase you kept replying back to mine. I have nothing personal against you, sethsez, so please don't take my posts that way.

[BulletMagnet]

????
What dis meaning is?

Could someone plz elaborate.

I think he means that he wasn't used to the fact that in CV4 if you hold the whip button down the whip goes limp and you can use the control pad to wiggle it around; the attack is weak, but it's good for some small, pesky enemies (like those froggy things in level 2). I personally never had a problem with that, but then again I've never played the NES CV games, so I can't say much about how well CV4 fits into the series...on its own, though, for the most part I like it.

[captain ahar]

dammit, bulletmagnet beat me to an explanation.

also, i like CV4 okay and also enjoy the rest of the series.

[Bar81]

Fair enough. Now to get back to bitching about classic games without having to justify ourselves, which is what this topic was supposed to be.

There is nothing special about Kid Icarus. It doesn't deserve an update any more than Ice Climber does.

For the record, none of my posts were aimed directly at you. The posts I had a main problem with were Bar81's and Dartangan's. I don't even want to go into how messed up I think D's posts are. Seriously, can't you guys dislike a game without insulting the fanbase? Bar81, that comment is especially aimed at you. BTW, if everyone who played Rondo no Blood was supposed to hate CVIV, the author of the Castlevania Dungeon would be bashing it. He's unbaised, he has played the majority of the Castlevania games, and he likes CVIV. Again, you can hate CVIV or any other game you want, but when you insult the fanbase, I take issues.

Sethsez, I repiled directly to your posts becuase you kept replying back to mine. I have nothing personal against you, sethsez, so please don't take my posts that way.

Get your panties out of a bunch. If you're that easily "insulted" then you need real world training school. CIV sucks anus, it's by far the worst 2D Castlevania to date. If you can't come to grips with that then I can't help you.

[BrianC]

Fair enough. Now to get back to bitching about classic games without having to justify ourselves, which is what this topic was supposed to be.

There is nothing special about Kid Icarus. It doesn't deserve an update any more than Ice Climber does.

For the record, none of my posts were aimed directly at you. The posts I had a main problem with were Bar81's and Dartangan's. I don't even want to go into how messed up I think D's posts are. Seriously, can't you guys dislike a game without insulting the fanbase? Bar81, that comment is especially aimed at you. BTW, if everyone who played Rondo no Blood was supposed to hate CVIV, the author of the Castlevania Dungeon would be bashing it. He's unbaised, he has played the majority of the Castlevania games, and he likes CVIV. Again, you can hate CVIV or any other game you want, but when you insult the fanbase, I take issues.

Sethsez, I repiled directly to your posts becuase you kept replying back to mine. I have nothing personal against you, sethsez, so please don't take my posts that way.

Get your panties out of a bunch. If you're that easily "insulted" then you need real world training school. CIV sucks anus, it's by far the worst 2D Castlevania to date. If you can't come to grips with that then I can't help you.

You are the one who needs help, Bar81. Stop trying to force your opinions on others.

[Bar81]

For the record, none of my posts were aimed directly at you. The posts I had a main problem with were Bar81's and Dartangan's. I don't even want to go into how messed up I think D's posts are. Seriously, can't you guys dislike a game without insulting the fanbase? Bar81, that comment is especially aimed at you. BTW, if everyone who played Rondo no Blood was supposed to hate CVIV, the author of the Castlevania Dungeon would be bashing it. He's unbaised, he has played the majority of the Castlevania games, and he likes CVIV. Again, you can hate CVIV or any other game you want, but when you insult the fanbase, I take issues.

Sethsez, I repiled directly to your posts becuase you kept replying back to mine. I have nothing personal against you, sethsez, so please don't take my posts that way.

Get your panties out of a bunch. If you're that easily "insulted" then you need real world training school. CIV sucks anus, it's by far the worst 2D Castlevania to date. If you can't come to grips with that then I can't help you.

You are the one who needs help, Bar81....

FACE, you really burned me. It's pathetic that you're so sensitive about a game. If you told me you hated Rondo I couldn't care less. Get a life.

edit. NIIIICE late edit. You're an idiot with an amazing capacity to be completely devoid of logic. How is me telling you the game blows "forcing" my opinion on you? You can have whatever idiot opinion you like. Again, I couldn't care less. You, on the other hand, seem to be forcing YOUR opinion on me by being unable to accept the fact that my opinion differs from yours. If a comment about love between you and your SFC hits too close to home, I really can't help it, but you really need to work out your "issues" and develop a thicker skin as what I said isn't even close to insulting the entire CIV fanbase.

[captain ahar]

yes, yes. everyone's pathetic etc. lets back on topic.

[BrianC]

Get your panties out of a bunch. If you're that easily "insulted" then you need real world training school. CIV sucks anus, it's by far the worst 2D Castlevania to date. If you can't come to grips with that then I can't help you.

You are the one who needs help, Bar81....

FACE, you really burned me. It's pathetic that you're so sensitive about a game. If you told me you hated Rondo I couldn't care less. Get a life.

edit. NIIIICE late edit. You're an idiot with an amazing capacity to be completely devoid of logic. How is me telling you the game blows "forcing" my opinion on you? You can have whatever idiot opinion you like. Again, I couldn't care less. You, on the other hand, seem to be forcing YOUR opinion on me by being unable to accept the fact that my opinion differs from yours.

Whatever. I accept the fact that your opinion differs from mine. What I don't accept is how you are telling me to dislike Castlevania IV, calling me sensitive, and basically getting up in a bunch over construtive criticism that isn't meant to be an insult. If that "CIV sucks anus, it's by far the worst 2D Castlevania to date. If you can't come to grips with that then I can't help you." doesn't count as insulting my opinion, I don't know what does. Look man, you can hate CVIV all you want, but insulting people who do like CVIV only makes you look like a jerk. And yes, this is getting pathetic. If you don't have anything nice to say, just be quiet.

[Bar81]

You are the one who needs help, Bar81....

FACE, you really burned me. It's pathetic that you're so sensitive about a game. If you told me you hated Rondo I couldn't care less. Get a life.

edit. NIIIICE late edit. You're an idiot with an amazing capacity to be completely devoid of logic. How is me telling you the game blows "forcing" my opinion on you? You can have whatever idiot opinion you like. Again, I couldn't care less. You, on the other hand, seem to be forcing YOUR opinion on me by being unable to accept the fact that my opinion differs from yours.

Whatever. I accept the fact that your opinion differs from mine. What I don't accept is how you are telling me to dislike Castlevania IV, calling me sensitive, and basically getting up in a bunch over construtive criticism that isn't meant to be an insult.

Fine, we'll agree to disagree on CIV, not like it's the first time in history people's opinions have differed on something. However, you ARE WAY OVERSENSITIVE, come to grips with that. Finally, save your "constructive" criticism for someone who gives a fuck what you think, because I definitely don't and I presume you don't care what I think which is the only way I'd have it as I'm not setting about to convert or convince anyone as this thread topic is only about games you don't like, not "Tell me about games you don't like and convince every oversensitive board member to agree". Besides, I fail to see why I should waste effort convincing anyone that any game is good as the benefit to me if someone agrees with me is nil. What I enjoy playing is what I enjoy playing. Whether you like it or not affects me in no conceivable way other than giving me something to talk about when you post oversensitive responses as you have done in this thread.

And I'll be quiet when I feel like being quiet, not when your sensitive self tells me too. Similarly, I could tell you that if you you're going to be an oversensitive bitch then you should just be quiet but I don't because I don't feel the need to shut everyone up who doesn't agree with me, like you seem to like to.

We're done

[PaCrappa]

Well you are being very sensitive, aren't you. "Why" is a heavy question. You'd have been much better off (and indeed we would have a much shorter thread) had you just let it go when two guys that you don't even know in real life said they didn't like CVIV. But no, you demanded to know why. And here we are.

If I was to say avocados suck, would you care why? Would you endlessly elongate a thread to find out?

Nobody has harmed you. It's gonna be okay. Play some CVIV and have a few laughs. Come back when you can kick it at a nice leisurely pace. We still like you.

Pa

Dang. Looks like "we're done" came just a minute before I posted.

[BrianC]

Well you are being very sensitive, aren't you. "Why" is a heavy question. You'd have been much better off (and indeed we would have a much shorter thread) had you just let it go when two guys that you don't even know in real life said they didn't like CVIV. But no, you demanded to know why. And here we are.

If I was to say avocados suck, would you care why? Would you endlessly elongate a thread to find out?

Nobody has harmed you. It's gonna be okay. Play some CVIV and have a few laughs. Come back when you can kick it at a nice leisurely pace. We still like you.

Pa

Dang. Looks like "we're done" came just a minute before I posted.

You know, I'm getting tried of this. You know what, I never asked about Castlevania IV becuase I disrespected people's opinions. I wanted to know exactly why the opinion was so one sided on this forum, to the point of people like Bar81 insulting the fanbase and making insulting comments about the how anyone who plays Rondo no Blood should think Castlevania IV sucks. Rondo no Blood sounds like an excellent game and I never bashed it. BTW, I'm not out to prove that CVIV is the best Castlevania either and I never even tried to make a remark to suggest it. However, I get misunderstood, the very person I was not trying to aim at repiles to my posts (seriously, sethsez you have the right to dislike the game, but what I was trying to figure out in the earlier posts was exactly why shmups.com seemed to be a place where everyone who likes Castlevania IV gets treated like their opinion means nothing), someone talks about how I'm sensitive in a public forum, my opinion gets treated like it means nothing (when I was trying to respect other's opinions), and other people side with Bar81's rudeness as if he did nothing wrong. I'm getting sick of this forum. It's as bad as gamefaqs.

And for the record, I didn't like how D basically based Castlevania Bloodlines and insulted people who don't like Bloodlines either. Seriouslyu, I'm not out to prove that CVIV is the best game ever. I'm out to try to prevent more comments insulting games from happening. Just becuase you disrespect my opinions doesn't mean I disrespect yours.

[PaCrappa]

So will it be cool if I say Sapphire sucks? I just wanna make sure.

Pa