Ibara PS2 vs PCB (DOJBLEX thread derailment)

[Raizen1984]

your mistake, the first print's gonna be *rare* L@@K when the proper version comes out.

lol it probably will be rare but I doubt anyone would care or pay much for it

Did you completely forget about Ibara? Let's see why it's selling for a high price:

- People are idiots
- Yeah that's pretty much it

But DOJBLEX is still in stock everywhere so whatever.

Yes people paying $100+ for the PS2 Ibara are stupid. But those paying $200+ for a PCB are perfectly intelligent, right?

Seriously, stating people are stupid for paying obscene prices in a hobby this expensive doesn't carry much weight. Weren't you the guy that said you would keep buying 360's as long as they keep breaking?

[undamned]

Yes people paying $100+ for the PS2 Ibara are stupid. But those paying $200+ for a PCB are perfectly intelligent, right?

Yes. Pixel perfect PCB = 2x as good as blurry PS2 port.
-ud

[jonny5]

Yes people paying $100+ for the PS2 Ibara are stupid. But those paying $200+ for a PCB are perfectly intelligent, right?

Yes. Pixel perfect PCB = 2x as good as blurry PS2 port.
-ud

beat me to the punch....

ibara on PCB is quite breathtaking.....on PS2 it takes your breath away.....but mainly cuz you are too busy puking

[Raizen1984]

Kinda missed my point guys

[jonny5]

Kinda missed my point guys

no....you failed to make a point....we were just pointing it out for you

[Raizen1984]

Really? I thought it was pretty good...

[jonny5]

Really? I thought it was pretty good...

well....

Yes people paying $100+ for the PS2 Ibara are stupid. But those paying $200+ for a PCB are perfectly intelligent, right?

this is a true statement....if you were to drop the eye roll it would have made sense.....

you obviously have never seen an ibara PCB running beside the PS2 port, or you wouldnt have said that

[Raizen1984]

Really? I thought it was pretty good...

well....

Yes people paying $100+ for the PS2 Ibara are stupid. But those paying $200+ for a PCB are perfectly intelligent, right?

this is a true statement....if you were to drop the eye roll it would have made sense.....

you obviously have never seen an ibara PCB running beside the PS2 port, or you wouldnt have said that

You got me there.

The quality of the Ibara port vs the PCB wasn't really what I was addressing though. It was more the absurdity of telling people they're dumb for spending so much on one game in a hobby where people frequently pay a lot for one game.

Basic miscommunication, though since that was never addressed, you did miss my point.

[bcass]

you obviously have never seen an ibara PCB running beside the PS2 port, or you wouldnt have said that

Have you seen the PS2 port with the deinterlace patch applied? It really does improve the image substantially. Install the game to a HDD and you've got something that much better resembles the PCB experience.

[BIL]

The quality of the Ibara port vs the PCB wasn't really what I was addressing though. It was more the absurdity of telling people they're dumb for spending so much on one game in a hobby where people frequently pay a lot for one game.

Basic miscommunication, though since that was never addressed, you did miss my point.

Elixir wasn't calling anyone dumb for spending x amount on games in general. He was talking about paying high prices for questionable ports. If he'd been doing the former, you'd have had a point.

[bcass]

The quality of the Ibara port vs the PCB wasn't really what I was addressing though. It was more the absurdity of telling people they're dumb for spending so much on one game in a hobby where people frequently pay a lot for one game.

Basic miscommunication, though since that was never addressed, you did miss my point.

Elixir wasn't calling anyone dumb for spending x amount on games in general. He was talking about paying high prices for questionable ports. If he'd been doing the former, you'd have had a point.

Yeah, but with the patch applied and installed to a HDD, that port becomes a lot less questionable. Maybe it's people with those intentions who are still buying it?

[Raizen1984]

Elixir wasn't calling anyone dumb for spending x amount on games in general.

Let's see why it's selling for a high price:

- People are idiots

That's how I read it, anyhow. Didn't mention anything on how the port was "questionable".

I've played PS2 Ibara, by the way. Seemed alright. Actually very similar to Battle Garegga, which fetches similarly high prices.

With how much hype the original PCB is generating in this thread, I'm tempted to pick one up over the port. I'll be disappointed if the removal of the blur effect is the only difference though

[jonny5]

you obviously have never seen an ibara PCB running beside the PS2 port, or you wouldnt have said that

Have you seen the PS2 port with the deinterlace patch applied? It really does improve the image substantially. Install the game to a HDD and you've got something that much better resembles the PCB experience.

yup....still no comparison to the PCB....with the patch applied the crappiness is slightly less blurry, thats all

even patched mushi looks like ass compared to the PCB....and mushi wasnt that bad to begin with......

[undamned]

The quality of the Ibara port vs the PCB wasn't really what I was addressing though. It was more the absurdity of telling people they're dumb for spending so much on one game in a hobby where people frequently pay a lot for one game.

Basic miscommunication, though since that was never addressed, you did miss my point.

Elixir wasn't calling anyone dumb for spending x amount on games in general. He was talking about paying high prices for questionable ports. If he'd been doing the former, you'd have had a point.

Yeah, but with the patch applied and installed to a HDD, that port becomes a lot less questionable. Maybe it's people with those intentions who are still buying it?

Yeah, but how many of those people over-paying for Ibara PS2 are actually going to do that? If it were an officially released revised game which included the patch, that's a worthy reason to pay more than $50.
-ud

[BIL]

Yeah, but with the patch applied and installed to a HDD, that port becomes a lot less questionable. Maybe it's people with those intentions who are still buying it?

Sure, I can see that (I'm hoping for a disc reprint myself, though; same reason I waited for US Raiden Fighters Aces). I wasn't commenting on anyone's buying of DOJ BLEX, just clarifying what seemed to be a snowballing misunderstanding between Elixir and Raizen.

edit: god, I should take a nap. I thought you were talking about DOJ BLEX's upcoming patch. Yeah, I see why someone would buy and patch PS2 Ibara. I might do my copy myself, if the graphics bothered me (rather than lack of slowdown and load times).

That's how I read it, anyhow. Didn't mention anything on how the port was "questionable".

I've played PS2 Ibara, by the way. Seemed alright. Actually very similar to Battle Garegga, which fetches similarly high prices.

With how much hype the original PCB is generating in this thread, I'm tempted to pick one up over the port. I'll be disappointed if the removal of the blur effect is the only difference though

I could see you thinking that if you didn't associate Ibara PS2 and DOJ BLEX with lesser ports. Garegga's Saturn port is near-perfect (called better than perfect by some), just to avoid any confusion there.

The Ibara PCB has better graphics, no load times, and slowdown (the PS2 port lacks virtually any, which normally I prefer, but not in games like this). Some enemy arrangements were changed for the PS2 release as well according to Archer, a high-ranking Japanese player. I don't really mind it, but it's not as good as DOJ or Galuda's standard-setting PS2 ports.

[bcass]

you obviously have never seen an ibara PCB running beside the PS2 port, or you wouldnt have said that

Have you seen the PS2 port with the deinterlace patch applied? It really does improve the image substantially. Install the game to a HDD and you've got something that much better resembles the PCB experience.

yup....still no comparison to the PCB....with the patch applied the crappiness is slightly less blurry, thats all

Well, there's never any accounting for PCB-snobbery. Not that I beleive for one second that you've even seen PS2 Ibara patched on a proper tate setup.

[jonny5]

Well, there's never any accounting for PCB-snobbery. Not that I beleive for one second that you've even seen PS2 Ibara patched on a proper tate setup.

how wrong you are sir.....patched ibara hooked up to an XM29(awesome screen) and a cab via a JPAC.....still looks like shit

youve obviously missed how many modded ps2's ive sold here

its nothing to do with so-called 'PCB snobbery'.....its teh simple fact that PS2 ibara looks like shit patched or otherwise, especially when compared to the PCB

i still dont get why console players get all up in arms as soon as PCB collectors chime in with comments based on experience.....

have you ever played an ibara PCB?

[bcass]

have you ever played an ibara PCB?

No, and I never claimed otherwise. However, I have been playing coin-ops since the 80s so I know exactly what PCBs look like being played through a dedicated monitor.

[jonny5]

have you ever played an ibara PCB?

No, and I never claimed otherwise.

ok....so i am making comments based on my experience with both the PCB and the port(patched and not) and you arent.....

However, I have been playing coin-ops since the 80s so I know exactly what PCBs look like being played through a dedicated monitor.

right.....so you are saying you have seen arcade games 'in real life' many times running PCB's, so you reason this gives you the knowledge to comment on the appearance of games you have never played or seen..... and question what i say, even tho i owned the PCB and the patched port

i see.....

[chempop]

This childish bickering has peaked my curiousity and having just received Ibara PS2 in the mail I am expecting my eyes to bleed. I'm a patient guy so the load times won't really bother me, plus I have fairly poor vision to begin with and my glasses are usually pretty scuffed up so I always see kinda blurry compared to someone with normal eyesight.

I still say $100 for a console port and $200 for the real pcb both seem totally fair, you get more for what you pay for so no real need to complain either way. Being judgmental about how someone else wants to spend their own money is idiotic. I can't afford a cab/supergun and Ibara CSP right now so it would be idiotic of me to buy that setup instead of going which the far less-expensive PS2 port.

Here I'll be a hypocrite and accuse anyone who eats Ramen Noodles so they can save money for a new PCB an idiot. I'd much rather eat nutritious food regularly and even treat myself to a nice meal out more often that to spend my harded earned money on another shmup...

[Danbo]

Honestly I find Ibara on the PS2 to be perfectly servicable, although I'm not a fantastic critic of 2D graphics at all. The load times are probably the most annoying thing about it if you watch a video of the PCB in action and see how smooth and seamless level transitions are.

Arrange mode isn't really my bag either, although Practice mode is hardly ever a bad thing. I really hope to be able to afford a PCB of it one day though, it's probably my favourite game these days and I want to do it justice by running it the way it was meant to be played.

Here I'll be a hypocrite and accuse anyone who eats Ramen Noodles so they can save money for a new PCB an idiot.

I doubt anyone actually does this...

[kernow]

PCB is worlds apart from the port. simple as that. its not blind fanboyism.

[jonny5]

PCB is worlds apart from the port. simple as that. its not blind fanboyism.

thank you

wait...who said that? i cant see anything

[chempop]

Okay my impressions after my first few runs of the PS2 version is that it is a little on the blurry side but the load times aren't as bad as I was expecting. Still very enjoyable even though it is tuff as nails for a newcomer. The game seems to play just fine even though I don't really know what I'm doing yet, time to go back for more!

Is there a thread about comparisons to DOJ PS2 and DOJblex360 (both in terms of port quality and features). I've heard anticipation here about a Cave related announcement supposedly later this month..? Am I making that up?

[jonny5]

Okay my impressions after my first few runs of the PS2 version is that it is a little on the blurry side but the load times aren't as bad as I was expecting. Still very enjoyable even though it is tuff as nails for a newcomer. The game seems to play just fine even though I don't really know what I'm doing yet, time to go back for more!

Is there a thread about comparisons to DOJ PS2 and DOJblex360 (both in terms of port quality and features). I've heard anticipation here about a Cave related announcement supposedly later this month..? Am I making that up?

sum it quick for you....DOJ PS2=as close to perfect as possible.....BLEX=ugly and broken.....and you think the ibara load times are bad.....avoid that one

[Ganelon]

The real question is how many people are actually affected by the changes enough that it would impact their playing ability to any major degree (i.e. score) from 1 version to another.

[jonny5]

The real question is how many people are actually affected by the changes enough that it would impact their playing ability to any major degree (i.e. score) from 1 version to another.

well for starters the PCB has slowdown....the port doesnt for the most part.....

its also much easier to see stuff and distinguish on the PCB....

and somebody mentioned some patterns were different.....i havent put in enough time with either version to say myself

[BIL]

http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.ph ... &start=124

[Shelcoof]

Wow I'm surprised this whole debate continues to burn forever.

Anyways I love the PS2 Port of Ibara along with all the other Cave ports on the PS2.

I can understand why some would hate them but for me their good enough.

[Icarus]

Honestly I find Ibara on the PS2 to be perfectly servicable, although I'm not a fantastic critic of 2D graphics at all. The load times are probably the most annoying thing about it if you watch a video of the PCB in action and see how smooth and seamless level transitions are.

Load times are done in the same way as the Garegga port on the Saturn, and with pretty much identical load duration between both ports - so if you're used to one, you're used to the other. The only main difference here is that the Ibara PS2 port actually shows you a loading animation and lets you move about the screen, the Garegga Saturn port just freezes the screen.

And, as an owner of both the port and the PCB, I find the port isn't all that bad. I don't have the same issues about the graphics as other people because, honestly, I don't care. As long as the game plays fine, then it's all good to me. My main irritation is the lack of slowdown, but it can be worked around. And seriously, if you have to rely on slowdown, then you really need more practice. ;p

Just take a look at Archer. Scores 31mil on the PS2 port without batting an eyelid.