Cave shmups in PCSX2

LtC · Post by **LtC** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 5:52 pm

I think if you use some of the speedhacks it will cause extra slowdown that doesn't exist in the PS2 versions, that's why it's best not to touch those in DOJ's case. In Mushi's case though I don't know which ones actually cause it (Might be the cycle rate ones) but some of them might be helpful and make the game faster.

agustusx · Post by **agustusx** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 6:50 pm

Here are some visual comparisons between different settings for Mushi.

Mushi Visual Example

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 7:17 pm

The fourth picture looks amazing. Is this using an unpatched version of Mushi or one with the low-res patch applied ?

agustusx · Post by **agustusx** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 7:39 pm

Fudoh wrote:The fourth picture looks amazing. Is this using an unpatched version of Mushi or one with the low-res patch applied ?

Good call, this is the patched version, I can run a test on the unpatched too.

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 7:48 pm

It would be much more interesting to see a real 480i-only game running on it with different output modes selected. Something like Shiki 2 or Gradius 5 maybe.

agustusx · Post by **agustusx** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 8:02 pm

I will let you guess which is patched and unpatched

Looking at this you are probably right Fudoh, but I will have to leave that test to someone else. I have neither.

patched is on right, not that there is a difference.

null1024 · Post by **null1024** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 10:21 pm

Dave_K. wrote:
henry dark wrote:Saying 80$ for a PS2 is fine, but factor in the cost of getting Mushi, DOJ etc., plus the pain of finding them in the first place, and its not hard to see why this free option is attractive
Wouldn't you have to find/buy mushi, doj, etc anyway to play it on the pc emulator? If someone finds the roms for free, surley they can play the same roms on the PS2 via HDLoader for free...so your point is, well pointless.

It's called BitTorrent. Also, it's a bit easier to use an emulator than to get games running on real hardware when you d/l them.

captpain · Post by **captpain** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 1:16 am

I run Mushi at 1024x768 internal res and screen res, and when I get in the game I press F5 six times to get the right interlacing.

Anyway, is there a key that displays the FPS? How do people know the FPS that they are running?

agustusx · Post by **agustusx** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 4:01 am

captpain wrote:I run Mushi at 1024x768 internal res and screen res, and when I get in the game I press F5 six times to get the right interlacing.

Anyway, is there a key that displays the FPS? How do people know the FPS that they are running?

if you are using the GSDX plugin I do not think so. Fraps works and has benchmarking abilities.

henry dark · Post by **henry dark** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 9:54 am

Dave_K. wrote:
henry dark wrote:Saying 80$ for a PS2 is fine, but factor in the cost of getting Mushi, DOJ etc., plus the pain of finding them in the first place, and its not hard to see why this free option is attractive
Wouldn't you have to find/buy mushi, doj, etc anyway to play it on the pc emulator? If someone finds the roms for free, surley they can play the same roms on the PS2 via HDLoader for free...so your point is, well pointless.

I think the HDLoader costs money.

Jockel · Post by **Jockel** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 10:10 am

If you're able to get the game for free, you'll surely be able to get the program as well ;D

mrtie · Post by **mrtie** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:28 pm

Ok i got to test out 9.6 today and I found some large improvements playing Ibara, no longer am i getting as much slow down, nor is the audio glitching. I'm using the newest gdsx plugin and with frame limit full 1080p resolution, and 2x speed hack. Both Mushi at least on normal mode and Ibara seem to have gotten a lot closer to DOJ in terms of speed with 9.6 for me, Galuda is still a giant mess though. These tests were run on E8400@ 3.6hz.

TodayIsForgotten · Post by **TodayIsForgotten** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:43 pm

Or you could go the softmod route on a ps2. Just throwing that out there. I think i'll be doing this. Oh, i see someone mentioned this a few posts up. HD ADVANCE is HDloader. You can get HDloader in the right places for free, since that is how its offered.

agustusx · Post by **agustusx** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 9:01 pm

mrtie wrote:Ok i got to test out 9.6 today and I found some large improvements playing Ibara, no longer am i getting as much slow down, nor is the audio glitching. I'm using the newest gdsx plugin and with frame limit full 1080p resolution, and 2x speed hack. Both Mushi at least on normal mode and Ibara seem to have gotten a lot closer to DOJ in terms of speed with 9.6 for me, Galuda is still a giant mess though. These tests were run on E8400@ 3.6hz.

They suggest not using speed hacks on "high end" machines and I think yours qualifies

From my experience speed hacks cause unneeded "warp lag" in spots on Mushi. A major deal breaker. Basically it runs worse with hacks enabled.

I noticed that with Mushi I can set the res up very high for rendering and for the D3D internal resolution without impact(up to 2048x2048). However I noticed some slowdown when doing the same for Ibara.

kengou · Post by **kengou** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:05 pm

TodayIsForgotten wrote:Or you could go the softmod route on a ps2. Just throwing that out there. I think i'll be doing this. Oh, i see someone mentioned this a few posts up. HD ADVANCE is HDloader. You can get HDloader in the right places for free, since that is how its offered.

This is getting a bit off-topic. The discussion is about emulation of Cave games using PCSX2. I'm not talking about this because I can't play them on my PS2; I can and I do play them on my PS2. Some people just like to also play games in emulators because of the convenience factor. It's easier for me to plug in my USB pad and just fire up an emulator than it is to fire up the PS2 and boot up DOJ using Swap Magic. Especially right now, because I don't have my PS2 at school with me for the time being.

Besides, I think that the state of PS2 emulation as it pertains to shmups is an interesting one regardless of what the emulation is used for.

TodayIsForgotten · Post by **TodayIsForgotten** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:52 am

Woa woa, i understand the original post. As I said a few posts back that i have a massive emulation collection... I'm pointing out that if people don't have the money to import such games or have a beefy enough computer or don't want the hassle of what game will run like a snail and what game will l run with a good frame rate...for 60 bucks you can pick up a boot loader for the ps2 and cheap hard drive. Then use HDloader to load the games from HDD and be done with it. No swap magic needed. For ease of use it would be the same thing in ways as PC emulation.

No worries.

captpain · Post by **captpain** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:45 am

Ibara looks pretty gross for me, even at increased resolution. The backgrounds are kind of fuzzy and vaguely distorted, and it doesn't looks quite sharp enough regardless of the interlacing setting.

DOJ looks great, but of course you can't increase the internal resolution. Mushi, as discussed, looks awesome with the resolution bumped up. Galuda looks good but isn't emulated properly.

Maybe Ibara is just an ugly port...

agustusx · Post by **agustusx** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 12:03 pm

captpain wrote:Ibara looks pretty gross for me, even at increased resolution. The backgrounds are kind of fuzzy and vaguely distorted, and it doesn't looks quite sharp enough regardless of the interlacing setting.

DOJ looks great, but of course you can't increase the internal resolution. Mushi, as discussed, looks awesome with the resolution bumped up. Galuda looks good but isn't emulated properly.

Maybe Ibara is just an ugly port...

I'm curious if you ever tried disabling the texture filtering for ibara?

captpain · Post by **captpain** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:15 pm

agustusx wrote:
captpain wrote:Ibara looks pretty gross for me, even at increased resolution. The backgrounds are kind of fuzzy and vaguely distorted, and it doesn't looks quite sharp enough regardless of the interlacing setting.

DOJ looks great, but of course you can't increase the internal resolution. Mushi, as discussed, looks awesome with the resolution bumped up. Galuda looks good but isn't emulated properly.

Maybe Ibara is just an ugly port...
I'm curious if you ever tried disabling the texture filtering for ibara?

Yep, it's off.

Cyarc · Post by **Cyarc** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 12:03 am

Good topic! Thanks for the tips and graphic comparison.

Just last week I started to look into PS2 emulation. I was sick of having to tip my TV over on its side, plus it is only 13 inches. It is much easier to to tip my computer monitor on its side and its almost twice as big.

LtC · Post by **LtC** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:17 pm

ESP.Galuda runs at 100% with the latest beta version and plugins (Pcsx2 beta 1474). Still some small glitching left but otherwise it seems to run faster than Mushi. I guess there's hope getting it running as well as DOJ does in then near future if we're lucky.

Some other games I tested seem to run a lot faster than with the 0.9.6 version, not 100% sure about the rest of the cave games though.

captpain · Post by **captpain** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 7:35 pm

LtC wrote:ESP.Galuda runs at 100% with the latest beta version and plugins (Pcsx2 beta 1474). Still some small glitching left but otherwise it seems to run faster than Mushi. I guess there's hope getting it running as well as DOJ does in then near future if we're lucky.

Some other games I tested seem to run a lot faster than with the 0.9.6 version, not 100% sure about the rest of the cave games though.

Ahhh *finally*! Thanks for the update.

edit: Hmm, Galuda has a lot of hiccups, and actually crashed at the first stage boss. I'm going to do some tweaking, but I bet it's still essentially broken.

General Martok · Post by **General Martok** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 7:57 pm

Cure 2 duo 3Ghz - Mushi runs at fullspeed , 1280x960
Last time I tried this was half a year ago , though

captpain · Post by **captpain** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:23 pm

General Martok wrote:Cure 2 duo 3Ghz - Mushi runs at fullspeed , 1280x960
Last time I tried this was half a year ago , though

Are you talking screen resolution or rendering resolution, or both?

EPS21 · Post by **EPS21** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:14 pm

I guess mushi has more problems with other systems besides a C2D e8400 (or that line of CPU's) than I thought, I also have that processor (system atm is 3ghz e8400, 4gb ram, nvidia 9800gtx+), at stock speeds and at 3.8-4ghz, the game runs great, maybe cause of GSDX plugins that take advantage of the SSE 4.1 instruction set.

I really hope espgaluda works well with the newest beta release, will be trying it now.

captpain · Post by **captpain** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:22 pm

DOJ now scales properly. It's running 100% for me at 1600x1200 internal res, and 1600x1200 screen res. It looks fucking fantastic.

emphatic · Post by **emphatic** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:35 pm

captpain wrote:DOJ now scales properly. It's running 100% for me at 1600x1200 internal res, and 1600x1200 screen res. It looks fucking fantastic.

Screen dump, please?

captpain · Post by **captpain** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:50 pm

emphatic wrote:
captpain wrote:DOJ now scales properly. It's running 100% for me at 1600x1200 internal res, and 1600x1200 screen res. It looks fucking fantastic.
Screen dump, please?

emphatic · Post by **emphatic** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:56 pm

Wow, that looks very nice. Even without scanlines.

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