Firefox 3.5

Udderdude · Post by **Udderdude** » Thu Jul 02, 2009 3:17 pm

Well, after 2 hours of fucking around with userChrome.css, about:config and bug-fix addons, I've got Firefox 3.5's tabs working mostly like they were in 3.1. Why do they have to fuck with the tabs so much between each release? Ugh.

And of course my old theme was rendered obselete - back to the default theme for now.

On the other hand, it's noticeably faster. Especially with Javascript-heavy sites.

Anyone else had a similar experience?

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Thu Jul 02, 2009 4:55 pm

Getting the tabs working like they did in 3.0 took me like 20 seconds (including the queasy feeling at noticing it looked like IE7), literally one settings change ("always show tabs control"). What did I miss?

Udderdude · Post by **Udderdude** » Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:01 pm

I guess I must be something of a Tab Nazi then, as my list of grievances is long and annoying.

Clicking links that have "_blank" on them caused them to open as new tabs instead of opening in the same tab. I clicked on a link several times, thinking Firefox had bugged up. I look up and see several new tabs sitting in the tab bar. And I don't want to turn on "Auto switch to new tabs", because this ruins being able to right-click and press T to open a new tab in the background.

Clicking links from an external source (MSN, IRC, etc.) caused whatever was the active tab to get clobbered and overwritten with the external link. Really stupid to think you'd have to open a new tab before clicking an external link to prevent your active tab from being taken over.

Dragging a tab off the tab bar now causes it to open in a new window, and be removed from the old window. As you can imagine, this is annoying if you do it by accident. The whole point of tabs is so you don't have to have 20 browser windows open!

If you only have one tab open, the close button is hidden from it. Used to be able to close it and get a blank page/tab. Had to use a CSS hack for this one.

Clicking the close tab button on the right-hand side of the window if there's only one tab open closes the entire browser. There's already a close button, you don't need another one that acts differently depending on how many tabs you've got open!

So pretty much, it was annoying as hell.

Momijitsuki · Post by **Momijitsuki** » Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:06 pm

I don't mind it so far, but I wish the Aero Fox theme would be available for 3.5 soon. It's what I used in the earlier versions, and the bright colors of the default theme just hurts my eyes from being so bright. xD

MX7 · Post by **MX7** » Thu Jul 02, 2009 9:52 pm

People still use Firefox

Post by **system11** » Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:20 pm

Well every version of IE is fucking worthless, so yes - they do.

Other alternatives would be:
Google Chrome - Welcome To Beta World.
Opera - Too many things mis-render in it.

Post by **system11** » Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:26 pm

Just updated to 3.5

Jesus christ, the rendering is much quicker.

kengou · Post by **kengou** » Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:51 pm

Just updated to 3.5. Only complaint I have is the new 'add a new tab' button to the right of the tabs. It takes up unneeded space in the tab bar and it's far easier to just hit ctrl+t anyway. But I can live with it. I don't get what the big deal is with the absence of the tab close button when you have only one tab open, because why would you do that anyway? Either close firefox or put a new URL into the address bar, there's no reason to have a single blank tab.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:29 am

lol it's funny because I do things the reverse of udder, I guess - Ctrl+t for a new tab, Ctrl+w for closing, and Ctrl+ PgUp or Dn to switch. Easy as pies.

core · Post by **core** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:31 am

Ed Oscuro wrote:lol it's funny because I do things the reverse of udder, I guess - Ctrl+t for a new tab, Ctrl+w for closing, and Ctrl+ PgUp or Dn to switch. Easy as pies.

Same, plus middle click to open in new tab and close a tab. no need for the damn close tab buttons. And what was wrong with adding a new tab button to anywhere you want using the customise part?

Cthulhu · Post by **Cthulhu** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:13 am

bloodflowers wrote:Well every version of IE is fucking worthless, so yes - they do.

Other alternatives would be:
Google Chrome - Welcome To Beta World.
Opera - Too many things mis-render in it.

Amen to that. Chrome might be nice someday, but it doesn't really offer anything over Safari right now, and Safari is just too bare-bones. Opera ironically follows standards the most stringently, which might make you think it renders things better, but... well, it doesn't. Nobody follows the standards all that well.

So despite the memory issues (which FF seems to perpetually have), I think it's still the best one out there by far.

TodayIsForgotten · Post by **TodayIsForgotten** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 3:16 am

I didn't even notice it went to 3.5. I guess my firefox auto downloaded it and i just did the oh more updates? whatever. Nothing looks different or feels different to me.

I thought sea monkey was pretty cool. I'm not sure if mozilla is still doing anything with that browser.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:18 am

TodayIsForgotten wrote:I thought sea monkey was pretty cool. I'm not sure if mozilla is still doing anything with that browser.

Yep, SeaMonkey is still around. It's community-driven now, instead of administered by the Mozilla Foundation, and since it originally was just a mashup of the various fundamental Mozilla things it's probably going to remain around for a long while to come.

Ixmucane2 · Post by **Ixmucane2** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:18 am

kengou wrote:Just updated to 3.5. Only complaint I have is the new 'add a new tab' button to the right of the tabs. It takes up unneeded space in the tab bar and it's far easier to just hit ctrl+t anyway.

Seconded, after upgrading I immediately hit the web and found a script for the Stylish extension to delete it.

Code: Select all

@namespace url(http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul);

.tabs-newtab-button {display: none !important}

cools · Post by **cools** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:29 am

Just updated.

Other than the add a new tab button, I see no difference. It's significantly quicker though.

Since I always added a "new tab" button to the navigation toolbar, this change is useful for me.

Ganelon · Post by **Ganelon** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:19 pm

Chrome actually does offer the lowest minimal memory usage right now. Firefox saves form data (so that you can access text pre-crash or going back and forth across refreshing pages) and last I saw, IE8 and Chrome still definitely don't do that.

3.5 is very fast in rendering, but I still miss the days of Firebird when memory usage would be several times below those of IE's and the process would disappear very quickly after the application was closed.

Udderdude · Post by **Udderdude** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:22 am

Just ran into even more fun, apparently Firefox 3.5 turns on dynamic color management on by default, and was causing some images to look really wierd and contrast-heavy.

The about:config tag to set to 0 is gfx.color_management.mode.

null1024 · Post by **null1024** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 4:35 am

I really wish FF3.5 worked on OSX 10.3, because 1: Opera is TOO standards complient [but this is sometimes nice, was browsing /gif/ and found an APNG thread, and Opera supports APNGs!], and 2: there's no chance in hell of getting Chrome to build on 10.3 [and on my Win box, Chrome is my main browser.].

Cthulhu · Post by **Cthulhu** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 6:38 am

null1024 wrote:I really wish FF3.5 worked on OSX 10.3, because 1: Opera is TOO standards complient [but this is sometimes nice, was browsing /gif/ and found an APNG thread, and Opera supports APNGs!], and 2: there's no chance in hell of getting Chrome to build on 10.3 [and on my Win box, Chrome is my main browser.].

I hate to say it, but I don't think anything new is going to work on OSX 10.3 without a lot of cludging. Time to upgrade.

junkeR · Post by **junkeR** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:53 am

null1024 wrote:I really wish FF3.5 worked on OSX 10.3, because 1: Opera is TOO standards complient [but this is sometimes nice, was browsing /gif/ and found an APNG thread, and Opera supports APNGs!], and 2: there's no chance in hell of getting Chrome to build on 10.3 [and on my Win box, Chrome is my main browser.].

Are you able to use Camino - Mozilla's Mac-developed browser?

it290 · Post by **it290** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 2:37 pm

Yeah, people complain about the MS upgrade cycle, but Apple is just as bad in their way, although at least their upgrades are generally for the sake of improved functionality. I remember being pissed at not being able to install the iPhone SDK on my then-Tiger-based MacBook.

As far as FF3.5 goes, it's not in baseline Ubuntu yet so I'm not running it on this machine yet, but hopefully the Linux version will see some big gains from the speed increases. There are still bugs related to absolutely positioned divs and scrolling speed under Linux that really bring the experience down. I am running FF3.5 on all my Mac and Windows machines now, and all is well with the world there.

Udderdude wrote:Just ran into even more fun, apparently Firefox 3.5 turns on dynamic color management on by default, and was causing some images to look really wierd and contrast-heavy.

The about:config tag to set to 0 is gfx.color_management.mode.

This is troublesome. Is this only for images with an embedded ICC profile, or are we going to have to worry about yet another cause of images not matching colors defined in the CSS?

Other than the add a new tab button, I see no difference. It's significantly quicker though.

That's a good UI design strategy. I can't quite agree though, as I find the new 'Clear Recent History' dialog to be much worse than the old 'Clear Private Data' one -- I suppose the new one is better for eliminating pr0n evidence, but I (and I would imagine, many others) mainly use that menu to clear cache and not history or cookies, meaning I now have to go through an extra UI layer to get to the option. I think cache clearing is sufficiently different to merit its own menu option (even if it's not turned on by default). There are add-ons that do this, but they don't work very well in my experience.

Momijitsuki · Post by **Momijitsuki** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 2:51 pm

it290 wrote: That's a good UI design strategy. I can't quite agree though, as I find the new 'Clear Recent History' dialog to be much worse than the old 'Clear Private Data' one -- I suppose the new one is better for eliminating pr0n evidence, but I (and I would imagine, many others) mainly use that menu to clear cache and not history or cookies, meaning I now have to go through an extra UI layer to get to the option. I think cache clearing is sufficiently different to merit its own menu option (even if it's not turned on by default). There are add-ons that do this, but they don't work very well in my experience.

Well, there's a 'Start Private Browsing' feature now that makes it so you don't have to eliminate any evidence that you were on porn sites to begin with, now...

Super Laydock · Post by **Super Laydock** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 9:04 am

Works like a charm here.
I tried chrome and opera (and occasionally try i.e. for comparison's sake), but
I am a FF whore due to it's fantastic add on system and it's intuitive system.

Momijitsuki wrote: Well, there's a 'Start Private Browsing' feature now that makes it so you don't have to eliminate any evidence that you were on porn sites to begin with, now...

Don't kid yourself, if you suspect your partner searching pr0n (and if it's a man I can almost guarantee he is doing that!

), there are many ways to find about it afterwards despite this option...
It's just some "false sense of security" function that, which won't help much if your partner knows anything about computers.

And the ISP knows all about it as too, hence they thought it was a good thing to give me unlimited bandwidth.

Udderdude · Post by **Udderdude** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:11 pm

it290 wrote:
Udderdude wrote:Just ran into even more fun, apparently Firefox 3.5 turns on dynamic color management on by default, and was causing some images to look really wierd and contrast-heavy.

The about:config tag to set to 0 is gfx.color_management.mode.
This is troublesome. Is this only for images with an embedded ICC profile, or are we going to have to worry about yet another cause of images not matching colors defined in the CSS?

By default it only works on images with embedded ICC profile. But it still makes them look off. I don't think they programmed it correctly. Leave the color management shit to Photoshop.

Momijitsuki · Post by **Momijitsuki** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 10:03 pm

Super Laydock wrote:
Momijitsuki wrote: Well, there's a 'Start Private Browsing' feature now that makes it so you don't have to eliminate any evidence that you were on porn sites to begin with, now...
Don't kid yourself, if you suspect your partner searching pr0n (and if it's a man I can almost guarantee he is doing that! ), there are many ways to find about it afterwards despite this option...
It's just some "false sense of security" function that, which won't help much if your partner knows anything about computers.

I guess it's a good thing I'm single so no one can be suspicious of me. ;P

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