Ketsui X and Daioujou Black Label X - Ports for Xbox 360

E. Randy Dupre · Post by **E. Randy Dupre** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 1:13 pm

Honestly, I wish they'd just abandon it and move onto other projects. Recoding and rereleasing seems like a complete waste of time when there are plenty of old Cave games that haven't been granted a home release already.

antares · Post by **antares** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 2:08 pm

E. Randy Dupre wrote:Honestly, I wish they'd just abandon it and move onto other projects. Recoding and rereleasing seems like a complete waste of time when there are plenty of old Cave games that haven't been granted a home release already.

I agree. Better concentrate on Kentsui now and then move on to ESPGaluda 2

CStarFlare · Post by **CStarFlare** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 2:18 pm

agree; I have been waiting for kentsui for fucking ever

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 5:11 pm

Kron wrote:At what point is the head of 5pb obliged to commit harakiri?

That's drastic, but the prefecture in which he was born in is obliged to make a public apology, and offer a box of mikans.

In fact, I feel it's more commendable that they're accepting responsibility without even being aware of the situation in the first place, instead of taking down Aqua Systems.

Naah... it's Japan. Technically, responsibility falls on them... although it definitely begs the question of 1) how the fuck did they get it, 2) why doesn't Arika have better pad locks on their office doors?

5pb's guilt lies in the fact that they did not verify the ROM that this company had prepared for them.

This is not that straight forward. You're talking about binaries compiled for differenet architectures, and a company that is obviously not very technically inclined.

I'm curious as to the "illegally obtained code" lingo as well. I need to find the original link.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 5:27 pm

My 2 yen from the Mihara Blog.

The word he uses (repeatedly) is "stolen".

It sounds like the talks their in in regards to the theft is w/ the source code management company as well. He doesn't give specifics, but my guess is they had their source code stored/managed offsite for safety. Ironic, eh? I don't know of a quicker way to bury a company than to blatantly do the opposite of what you're paid to do.

And he finally says that the Ketsui & DOJ development teams are different, so Ketsui, while delayed, will still come out. This blunder has to cost 5pb a fortune. How much fucking money do they have?

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 5:45 pm

GaijinPunch wrote:This blunder has to cost 5pb a fortune. How much fucking money do they have?

They're an eroge company in Japan, what else do you need to know?

Post by **undamned** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 8:55 pm

GaijinPunch wrote:Ketsui, while delayed, will still come out.

*crosses fingers*
-ud

manaka · Post by **manaka** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 10:58 pm

BulletMagnet wrote:They're an eroge company in Japan, what else do you need to know?

They are not a fucking eroge company. I can't believe niche fans such as shmup fans can't understand the subtleties of other niches like this. Do you enjoy it when other people group you with normal shooters and fpses too?

With their press release, 5pb may no longer be able to work in the industry. But Arika will help them.

Let's put this into context here. He's saying that because of what has happened, confidence in 5pb has been killed, and there's a good chance no one will entrust them to do shmup ports ever again, because it is very difficult to regain that trust. (Which is probably true.)

But Arika will become 5pb's knight in shining armor! They'll take over the DOJ BL EX port revision and save 5pb.

The only outcome I see of this is 5pb will clean up the mess they made with DOJ BL EX, finish off Ketsui, and never get into the shmup porting business again... not that it was likely they'd continue the business after Ketsui anyways, with Cave doing their own ports now, and all other major shmup companies doing their own releases. The end was always there, the current situation just makes it a sour end instead of a happy one.

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:26 pm

That's pretty good news, though it's still a gigantic fucking mess. I don't expect to see a patch for at least 6 months.

Maybe they can release multiple patches in 4mb lots. It's also possible for them to release them on the marketplace individually.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:49 pm

They are not a fucking eroge company.

They are a shit game company.

Let's put this into context here.

Context: They're publishing a game (a really poorly done one, mind you) with stolen source code. It doesn't get much simpler than that.

dcharlie · Post by **dcharlie** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 12:06 am

Maybe they can release multiple patches in 4mb lots. It's also possible for them to release them on the marketplace individually.

just release it a a 0 point DLC - if MS will let them that is.

Just argue that technically it's not a patch - it's a optional DLC for making things "more accurate"

After the Death Smiles port, i really wish Cave would have just handled Ketsui on their own - i'd feel a lot better if that were the case. Especially as DS sold well.

Chacranajxy · Post by **Chacranajxy** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 12:15 am

What's this about Arika's involvement? They did a bang up job on the Cave stuff they brought to the PS2, so I wouldn't mind them helping out here... whatever that might mean.

I dunno... I'm still optimistic that we'll see decent console releases for DOJ and Ketsui... someday.

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 12:16 am

dcharlie wrote:i really wish Cave would have just handled Ketsui on their own - i'd feel a lot better if that were the case. Especially as DS sold well.

They are. Did you read the post that adversity translated?

Post by **nZero** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 12:24 am

dcharlie wrote:just release it a a 0 point DLC - if MS will let them that is.

Just argue that technically it's not a patch - it's a optional DLC for making things "more accurate"

Of course, considering the messy state of things, they probably don't want it to be "optional", while they can force a patch down the throat of everyone who puts their X360 online

bucklemyshoe · Post by **bucklemyshoe** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 12:40 am

Chacranajxy wrote:What's this about Arika's involvement? They did a bang up job on the Cave stuff they brought to the PS2, so I wouldn't mind them helping out here... whatever that might mean.

I dunno... I'm still optimistic that we'll see decent console releases for DOJ and Ketsui... someday.

there is a better than decent console release of DOJ already

Chacranajxy · Post by **Chacranajxy** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 12:41 am

bucklemyshoe wrote:
Chacranajxy wrote:What's this about Arika's involvement? They did a bang up job on the Cave stuff they brought to the PS2, so I wouldn't mind them helping out here... whatever that might mean.

I dunno... I'm still optimistic that we'll see decent console releases for DOJ and Ketsui... someday.
there is a better than decent console release of DOJ already

C'mon, you know I mean Black Label Extra.

Post by **undamned** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 12:47 am

bucklemyshoe wrote:
Chacranajxy wrote:What's this about Arika's involvement? They did a bang up job on the Cave stuff they brought to the PS2, so I wouldn't mind them helping out here... whatever that might mean.

I dunno... I'm still optimistic that we'll see decent console releases for DOJ and Ketsui... someday.
there is a better than decent console release of DOJ already

Haha. I'm a stickler like that, too

-ud

dcharlie · Post by **dcharlie** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 12:48 am

They are. Did you read the post that adversity translated?

sorry, i meant from the start.

CStarFlare · Post by **CStarFlare** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 1:02 am

Elixir wrote:
dcharlie wrote:i really wish Cave would have just handled Ketsui on their own - i'd feel a lot better if that were the case. Especially as DS sold well.
They are. Did you read the post that adversity translated?

you mean the one that said

He says Asada-san (Deathsmiles) will be overseeing this but I think this is just a friendly jab at Asada-san.

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 5:10 am

Yes, that one.

Isn't Asada working under Cave?

SFKhoa · Post by **SFKhoa** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 6:12 am

If that's the case, I want a hi-res X360 mode plz.

E. Randy Dupre · Post by **E. Randy Dupre** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 10:11 am

dcharlie wrote:
Maybe they can release multiple patches in 4mb lots. It's also possible for them to release them on the marketplace individually.
just release it a a 0 point DLC - if MS will let them that is.

They won't. There's previous evidence for this in the form of Valve's expansion to Team Fortress 2. If MS aren't going to allow a company with the importance of Valve to release DLC for free, there's no way in hell they'll change their minds over something like this.

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 11:14 am

what does eroge mean?

CIT · Post by **CIT** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 11:16 am

jpj wrote:what does eroge mean?

erotic game

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 11:18 am

cheers

Chiaroscuro · Post by **Chiaroscuro** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:17 pm

About patch and DLC: it can happen if MS allows it. Just look at how Burnout Paradise works in the 360: huge (> 1GB) updates as DLC but that changes the game code. Valve wasn´t able to put L4D expansion for free because the content was not available for the competitor plataform (as burnout was). So if PSN gets from free, Live gets for free. Since DDP is 360 only, the only way MS would allow a free DLC is if 5pb pays for all bandwith costs. Man, this whole thing will cost 5pb a ton of money for sure.

And their other games (advs) were postponed indefinitly as well. Thei future is not looking good for sure...

CStarFlare · Post by **CStarFlare** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:31 pm

Since DDP is 360 only, the only way MS would allow a free DLC is if 5pb pays for all bandwith costs. Man, this whole thing will cost 5pb a ton of money for sure.

Not that it isn't, but bandwidth costs for a patch for a shooting game isn't going to be a significant contributor to 5pb's woes.

manaka · Post by **manaka** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:42 pm

Chiaroscuro wrote:And their other games (advs) were postponed indefinitly as well. Thei future is not looking good for sure...

Which I mentioned earlier. Except for the fact that you forgot to say that only Div2's games are on hold.

5pb main's games are still on their current schedules for release. This is why I say I'm not surprised if Div2 gets axed when all is said and done.

gameoverDude · Post by **gameoverDude** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:51 am

It's nice to hear about Mihara handling the re-work of DOJ BLEX. Hopefully this might also result in Death Label mode appearing in the 360 version.

Shame on Aqua Systems for going about it the way they did. They should have asked Arika for help and/or permission before resorting to "stolen" code. If anyone pays damages to Arika, it should be AS rather than 5pb - since 5pb didn't know what these guys were up to.

andriasang.com DoDonPachi Gate article wrote: As for 5pb's other Xbox 360 shooter, Ketsui, while Mihara says that this really isn't something he should comment on, he'll do so in order to help fans be at ease. The development team for Ketsui is different from that of DoDonPachi. The reason Ketsui has been delayed is in order to bring up the quality.

Looks like Ketsui is still on, even if it may not arrive until 2010. I was sure that Cave yanked 5pb's license to port Ketsui, but it wouldn't surprise me if Arika released this one theirselves.

bucklemyshoe · Post by **bucklemyshoe** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:46 am

gameoverDude wrote: but it wouldn't surprise me if Arika released this one theirselves.

This is what I hope for!

As well as eventual ports of DFK and Galuda II