Last Hope: Pink Bullets - DC

KBZ · Post by **KBZ** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 8:53 pm

why offer a discount when most people will be pirating their work?

I agree that more community involvement and feedback with the dev process might have been a good way to avoid the attitudes we see now. It's unfortunate, but they made the game they wanted to make. Some liked it and played it. Others hated it and even somehow feel insulted by it and want to spew out as much negativity as possible. Lol internetz.

I don't see anywhere on their site that says "hated the first last hope? buy a new one!". If someone hated the game so much then they probably sold it or never bought it in the first place. I wasn't so fond of Last Hope after a while and I sold mine to get the money back. Now I'm giving this version a go. Am I losing anything here? Nope.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 10:05 pm

The Coop wrote:So how do you justify charging $40-$60 again for some tweaks that basically amount to what a patch would do for a PC game? Why not go the budget re-release route like they do in Japan?

Then you can sell a soundtrack for $30 and a superplay DVD for $50. Just as they reasonably price things in Japan!

Post by **nZero** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 10:30 pm

Rob wrote:
The Coop wrote:So how do you justify charging $40-$60 again for some tweaks that basically amount to what a patch would do for a PC game? Why not go the budget re-release route like they do in Japan?
Then you can sell a soundtrack for $30 and a superplay DVD for $50. Just as they reasonably price things in Japan!

Sshhhh, don't give them ideas.

The Coop · Post by **The Coop** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 10:36 pm

Rob wrote:
The Coop wrote:So how do you justify charging $40-$60 again for some tweaks that basically amount to what a patch would do for a PC game? Why not go the budget re-release route like they do in Japan?
Then you can sell a soundtrack for $30 and a superplay DVD for $50. Just as they reasonably price things in Japan!

EXACTLY!

stuntman · Post by **stuntman** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:40 am

Kingbuzzo wrote:why offer a discount when most people will be pirating their work?

I'd buy it at a discount, and they'd still make some profit, which is better than no profit. And I'd feel more like a valued customer, so I'd be more inclined to pre-order their next game (future profit).

Daika110 · Post by **Daika110** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 1:57 pm

So for those of us than never purchased any version of Last Hope is this worth the $$ or pass?

Jockel · Post by **Jockel** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 2:13 pm

It's aimed at people who never played any version of Last Hope.
If you like to show support for new shmups on a long-dead console, you should probably go ahead and order it.

Daika110 · Post by **Daika110** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 2:27 pm

The console is only dead if its not being played which is far from the case in my house.

dpful · Post by **dpful** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 3:12 pm

Why all the feelings of entitlement? They can charge 1000$ for the new last hope. I don't understand why everyone feels ripped off-- . If you want to honor the artist, send money-- I mean, it's NOT a product, it's a piece of art, the makers abviously felt very confident about their game from the beginning. My ethics are, you make something, you set the price. This thread just bugs me, can't anyone just man up and say "homemade shmups are strange", and leave their wallets out of it?

You guys (who bought the game) spent more money than you wanted to and are now taking it out on them.

I thought the game was rediculous, but I bet I'd find the pink bullet version more enjoyable, I think the reprint is a great idea.

We live in a world where these kind of games are free (if your talking about just the game file), so the price is really only symbolic anyways. Why haggle over "free" and "priceless" (which is what it ultimately is). Put your money where your heart is.

E. Randy Dupre · Post by **E. Randy Dupre** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 5:15 pm

I'd imagine the real reason why people feel ripped off is that this has been announced before these jokers have even released their *other* game - you know, the one that their customer base paid for over twelve months ago.

lgb · Post by **lgb** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 5:20 pm

ncp wrote:zun doesn't even fix game-breaking bugs like in mountain of faith, I doubt he would do a disc exchange for a revision, but who knows, I could be wrong here.

I was talking about the publishing. About the bugs, compare to Iori's Yuri Ori.

dpful wrote:Why haggle over "free" and "priceless" (which is what it ultimately is).

If it were free, everyone would hate it more.

THE · Post by **THE** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 5:36 pm

E. Randy Dupre wrote:I'd imagine the real reason why people feel ripped off is that this has been announced before these jokers have even released their *other* game - you know, the one that their customer base paid for over twelve months ago.

Are you talking about Dux? Dux is not made by NG:DEV.TEAM!
Dux is a side project by RHE.

jonny5 · Post by **jonny5** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 5:43 pm

so its an RHE solo project then?

RHE · Post by **RHE** » Thu Jun 04, 2009 12:05 pm

Kingbuzzo wrote:Others hated it and even somehow feel insulted by it and want to spew out as much negativity as possible.

Indeed. That's the odd thing about this game, It abuses people personally. Which is fine as long asy these people acknowledge this, instead of bashing the game to make it look like its has bad gameplay. For us as a dev it's not a problem that some people dislike the game, or point out flaws. It's just the extreme way of expressing rudeness that buffers us.

dpful wrote: Put your money where your heart is.

I can't say it better.

jonny5 wrote:so its an RHE solo project then?

Pretty much, take a look at the very bottom of the blog.

heavymetalme · Post by **heavymetalme** » Thu Jun 04, 2009 9:56 pm

Does this release have a set edition? I haven't $50 some lying around at the moment, but I'd like to pick it up before it costs hundreds on eBay...

Super Laydock · Post by **Super Laydock** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 1:42 pm

Though I really like the original DC mode on the initial release (owning both normal and LE's and even was supportive enough to buy the NGCD version (don't even own the console) for the DVD, this just baffles me.

I have bought and own every single (commercial or not) released DC shmup, but will pass on this if there is not going to be a cheap way of getting the upgrade for existing owners.

Why not offer the people who have been supporting you, a really cheap (almost free) upgrade.
Have them send in a spine by cheap letter mail so you know they actually purchased one and give them a suitable (large!) discount and the spine back...

There´s milking and there´s milking.
And this to be frank sounds like MILKING!
At least get 1 or 2 new stages in or a said some alternative ships or something to make it worthwhile for people who supported your initial release.

Casey120 · Post by **Casey120** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 3:44 pm

I never picked this one up because i hate harsh shooters that force you to memorize the bullet patterns or you die , i never bought the original because of this .

Now this is changed and i just pre- ordered the pink bullet version

Anyone who bought the original and didn't like it can sell their copy of the original version on Ebay to get their money back or even make a profit or fund this version .
I don't see the problem .

SFKhoa · Post by **SFKhoa** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 4:14 pm

I think I might have to bite the bullet and buy this when it comes out.

Alec · Post by **Alec** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 4:28 pm

I love how they made a pink cover and wrote Pink Bullets on it in such classy script.

Big laughs when this is the main selling point of a shooting game.

neorichieb1971 · Post by **neorichieb1971** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 4:49 pm

Rule of thumb:

Any shmup the average player can't reach level 4 after a week is not worth playing. For me anyways!!

I never played the original version, but people said it was almost ridiculously hard to the point of despair. It would be better if you could make it accessible to everyone.

Fenrir · Post by **Fenrir** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 2:06 pm

neorichieb1971 wrote:Rule of thumb:

Any shmup the average player can't reach level 4 after a week is not worth playing. For me anyways!!

o_0

Gmintyfresh · Post by **Gmintyfresh** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:39 am

NGDevTeam are offering a 50% discount on Pink Bullets for all people that bought the original:

http://www.ngdevteam.com/lhpb.html

"To order Last Hope: Pink Bullets use form below or mail to shop@ngdevteam.com (We accept orders worldwide)

Item Details
Last Hope: Pink Bullets JPN DC

Offset printed Inlaycard
Offset printed full color manual
DVD Casing
Game CD

Item Price: 29,95 EUR or 15.95 EUR with 50% discount (+ shipping)

Shipping
DHL priority shipping registered and insured

You have to send in your manual/booklet or disc of Last Hope DC [original/regular] to participate a 50% discount.

Order

Selection Full Price Discount [-50% see remarks on this page]
Quantity 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Shipping region EU (European Union) USA / Europe (non EU) World / Asia / Japan Deutschland
Shipping type Ground DHL Priority DHL
Item price
Costs
Shipping
Total:

Discount

You have to send in your manual/booklet or disc of Last Hope DC [original/regular] to participate this discount. After payment, you will be contacted by us where to ship your manual/booklet or disc.

See also this Q&A for further infomation.

Q: Is the 50% discount available in other shops too?
A: No, this discount is limited to our shop.

Q: I originally bought Last Hope DC at another shop, can I participate in this discount too?
A: Yes, regardless where you bought your copy, you can participate. Just send in your original manual/booklet.

Q: What happens to my manual/booklet after I sent it in?
A: It will be returned to you with the shipment of Last Hope: Pink Bullets.

Q: I don't want to ship just the manual/booklet in, can I ship in the whole CD package?
A: Yes, but not recommended.

Q: I don't want to ship the manual/booklet, can I just ship in the disc?
A: Yes. Both disc or manual are fine.

Q: What happens if my manual/booklet/disc got lost in the mail?
A: You are responsible for secure shipping. Your order of Last Hope: Pink Bullets will be refunded in this case.

Q: What happens if my CD got broken in the mail.
A: You are responsible for secure shipping. However, as long as we can identify it as an original disc, we will normally proceed your order and ship the CD in the same condition back we got it.

The discount is limited until 17th July 2009. Only one copy is allowed
per customer, while stocks last. We start shipping of Last Hope: Pink
Bullets and your sent-in disc after 17th July 2009.

If you buy the discounted Last Hope: Pink Bullets you will be automatically added to our Dreamcast newsletter. If you don't want to be added please write a short mail to info@ngdevteam.com.

Note

Game runs region free on every Dreamcast build before October 2000"

emphatic · Post by **emphatic** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:48 pm

Gmintyfresh wrote:NGDevTeam are offering a 50% discount on Pink Bullets for all people that bought the original:

http://www.ngdevteam.com/lhpb.html

"To order Last Hope: Pink Bullets use form below or mail to shop@ngdevteam.com (We accept orders worldwide)

Item Details
Last Hope: Pink Bullets JPN DC

Offset printed Inlaycard
Offset printed full color manual
DVD Casing
Game CD

Item Price: 29,95 EUR or 15.95 EUR with 50% discount (+ shipping)

Shipping
DHL priority shipping registered and insured

You have to send in your manual/booklet or disc of Last Hope DC [original/regular] to participate a 50% discount.

Order

Selection Full Price Discount [-50% see remarks on this page]
Quantity 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Shipping region EU (European Union) USA / Europe (non EU) World / Asia / Japan Deutschland
Shipping type Ground DHL Priority DHL
Item price
Costs
Shipping
Total:

Discount

You have to send in your manual/booklet or disc of Last Hope DC [original/regular] to participate this discount. After payment, you will be contacted by us where to ship your manual/booklet or disc.

See also this Q&A for further infomation.

Q: Is the 50% discount available in other shops too?
A: No, this discount is limited to our shop.

Q: I originally bought Last Hope DC at another shop, can I participate in this discount too?
A: Yes, regardless where you bought your copy, you can participate. Just send in your original manual/booklet.

Q: What happens to my manual/booklet after I sent it in?
A: It will be returned to you with the shipment of Last Hope: Pink Bullets.

Q: I don't want to ship just the manual/booklet in, can I ship in the whole CD package?
A: Yes, but not recommended.

Q: I don't want to ship the manual/booklet, can I just ship in the disc?
A: Yes. Both disc or manual are fine.

Q: What happens if my manual/booklet/disc got lost in the mail?
A: You are responsible for secure shipping. Your order of Last Hope: Pink Bullets will be refunded in this case.

Q: What happens if my CD got broken in the mail.
A: You are responsible for secure shipping. However, as long as we can identify it as an original disc, we will normally proceed your order and ship the CD in the same condition back we got it.

The discount is limited until 17th July 2009. Only one copy is allowed
per customer, while stocks last. We start shipping of Last Hope: Pink
Bullets and your sent-in disc after 17th July 2009.

If you buy the discounted Last Hope: Pink Bullets you will be automatically added to our Dreamcast newsletter. If you don't want to be added please write a short mail to info@ngdevteam.com.

Note

Game runs region free on every Dreamcast build before October 2000"

Now that's what I'm talking about. Great deal. And a very clever way of getting "proof of purchase".

THE · Post by **THE** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 2:54 pm

Here is the original mail from the newsletter. And btw. customers that only bought the Limited Edition/LE can get this discount too. Just send in a picture of your LE with visible serial number and a current newspaper so we can identify that you currently have a copy.

Last Hope Pink Bullets 50% Discount

For a limited time we offer a 50% price reduction to all original
customers of Last Hope DC at our direct sales shop http://www.ngdevteam.com/buy.htm. To enjoy this discount, all you need
to do is sending in the original manual/booklet of Last Hope DC
[original/regular] and pay the reduced price at our shop.

The discount is limited until 17th July 2009. Only one copy is allowed
per customer, while stocks last. We start shipping of Last Hope: Pink
Bullets and your sent-in manual after 17th July 2009.

For details visit our sales site:
http://www.ngdevteam.com/buy.htm

You can watch a movie of Last Hope Pink Bullets here:
http://www.ngdevteam.com/download.htm

*New game features of Last Hope Pink Bullets*

- Instant restart
- Players ship does permanently equip the Rotary Protection Unit (pod)
- Pod damages enemies
- Higher player ship speed from beginning
- Increased player weapon power
- Overall increased visibility and decreased difficulty
- New elaborated scoring system
Increase your two multipliers by absorbing bullets with your pod and
chaining enemies with your beam.

* 50% of the original sales price of 32 EUR.

Ganelon · Post by **Ganelon** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 3:03 pm

THE wrote:Here is the original mail from the newsletter. And btw. customers that only bought the Limited Edition/LE can get this discount too. Just send in a picture of your LE with visible serial number and a current newspaper so we can identify that you currently have a copy.

This was a great decision and the LE proof is even better.

neorichieb1971 · Post by **neorichieb1971** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 3:36 pm

I want a double pack with the OST.

stuntman · Post by **stuntman** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 7:43 pm

I just ordered with the discount. I feel like I'm a valued customer

THE · Post by **THE** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 7:46 pm

stuntman wrote:I just ordered with the discount. I feel like I'm a valued customer

Thats good!

NAVVARR · Post by **NAVVARR** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 9:13 am

I too have ordered the game- just need to send off my manual now as proof of my puchase.

lilmanjs · Post by **lilmanjs** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:37 pm

if you don't wanna download the preview vid for pink bullets, its up on the hucastnet's user page:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op4ncpoS ... annel_page