I Have Broken a ARCADIA/Gamest Record!

fizz · Post by **fizz** » Sat May 23, 2009 12:24 am

No no no, what I want to hear is which is "video/dvd submission" being listed on -actual- Arcadia mag.
We all know that generally super-play DVD are not recorded in public arcade.
For example DoJ DVD had been recorded inside Arika office for 10AM-18PM and it took 8months.

Recorded at home or office does not mean they submitted by that play isn't it? It may be WR or highest score in japan but it doesn't mean listed as Arcadia score. because they didn't follow the rule.

And i don't think Gamest didn't treat Raiden "double-play" as a score category. are those scores actually listed in real magazine? or are you talking about "WR" listed on some other personal website like superplay or nakano's highscore page?

And IMO arcade is something special like "stage" and still king among hardcore gamers in Japan,
Just like we arcade gamers don't care how much you are strong SF4 fighter on 360/ps3 unless he come to arcade and show his real skill for us.
You can feel free to training at home but scoring is different story. no couch, no pause, same setting, (mostly) same cabinet with competitor, limit of time and eyes of audiences, of cause you need moneys to find scoring tips in order to outflank the competition.
This is why scoring first release month is most exciting for shmups and too early home-port turned off arcade scenes.

My sorry for my bad grammar or typos, I have WR of this.

fizz · Post by **fizz** » Sat May 23, 2009 1:05 am

GaijinPunch wrote: Where was this mentioned? Definitely not in the DOJ interview. They said that one of the 2 PCBs they borrowed for the recording (which were set the same) was NOT the released version. Thus the video had to be scrapped. If you read another 1-page quick interview with IKD somewhere at ... uh... I forgot (but it's online), you'll see IKD saying a memory as a developer that sticks out is, "due to my clumsiness, the DOJ video had to be scrapped". 5 sheckles says this was it.

For the Cave-sponosred releases, they used a stock PCB: no more, no less. I think it's safe to say that TAC and others don't submit more scores b/c by the time their scores are broken, they've moved on to the next game.

I don't know what specials of that DOJ PCB, but the Ketsui PCB they use have stage(or scene) select i heard. Arcadia also mentioned in highscore article at that month's issue which they apologizing about that. I can't remember details cuz I no longer have that mag and it was a looong time ago. but they used the word "special PCB with some feature" or something like that.

There were tons of rumors and actual insiders talks about that. But our establish story tells that they use special PCBs and players have contract and not allowed to submit scores at least in Arika's case.
You can search that "ケツイスコア TAC".

Well after graduating university I've been back to Koube from Tokyo since 2004, So I don't know its after story. If you know more details would you tell me about that?

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Sat May 23, 2009 1:39 am

For example DoJ DVD had been recorded inside Arika office for 10AM-18PM and it took 8months.

Once again, link please? The interview says the game took 8 months to develop... not the DVD.

I don't know what specials of that DOJ PCB,

Any differences in the one they practiced and initially recorded on were due to human error, and they redid the video, according to the link which you stated was a special version nullifying future scores of the players. I was only pointing out the misconception.

but the Ketsui PCB they use have stage(or scene) select i heard.

There was a thread about it on the old board. Scene select and I believe even no death mode.

There were tons of rumors and actual insiders talks about that. But our establish story tells that they use special PCBs and players have contract and not allowed to submit scores at least in Arika's case.

This is one case though -- not the norm by any stretch. In fact, the ESPGaluda II book says "players used nothing other than the retail version of the PCB".

fizz · Post by **fizz** » Sat May 23, 2009 2:34 am

GaijinPunch wrote:
For example DoJ DVD had been recorded inside Arika office for 10AM-18PM and it took 8months.
Once again, link please? The interview says the game took 8 months to develop... not the DVD.

Ah I read the article again, this one is my misunderstanding. sorry.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Sat May 23, 2009 4:26 am

Pretty wild that they came down to the wire though -- even debating whether to make the DVD a mail-in thing.

fizz · Post by **fizz** » Sat May 23, 2009 2:06 pm

Forget about cave DVDs it was my bad, my points are only two and simple.

*There are no play-at-home/video submitting on Arcadia mag or "automatically" submitting by releasing super-play DVDs.

*Arcadia mag is not WR itself, it just gathering scores from Japanese arcades and that's all. Nothing related with if you're Japanese or not. Only other rules exist, so please stop that BS.

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Sat May 23, 2009 2:27 pm

i don't know 100% that HFD's doj black label scores were listed in arcadia, but i imagine they were as gemant was listing them on A.I.V.A website long before the dvd release, and he took scores directly from the magazine.

the fact he didn't play in a loud stinky arcade has indeed made me lose all respect for him and his scores though

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Sat May 23, 2009 2:46 pm

There's not much difference in an arcade and a room in the company where the DVDs in question are usually made. It's basically a 3rd party vouging, and nothing more.

Smraedis · Post by **Smraedis** » Mon May 25, 2009 9:21 pm

Excuse me for being slow to reply, have been away for a while. I don't mind that the thread went onto another topic either

BER wrote:Smraedis, I enjoyed your replay! How much does luck play a role in your record?

Yeah, there is quite a bit of luck involved.. as every stage has a different average score per play, and a different maximum stage. Some stages will give only 5700-5900 when played at their best, while some go over 11000.
I feel like the game tries to give a few low scoring stages, and a few high scoring stages, but I don't know how it picks the stages in every run.

I feel that I could get 217,000 on Expert mode, if I don't make mistakes.

BBH · Post by **BBH** » Thu May 28, 2009 11:37 am

Icarus wrote:BBH has the Shock Troopers one I think

Smraedis your Point Blank replay is really great, but... you didn't mention anywhere that you were playing the PSX version. I don't know of any differences between the PSX and arcade versions (it looks pretty exact to me), but you know GEMANT wouldn't accept it for his list unless its done on same hardware and exact same settings as Japanese version, etc.

It's still an impressive display of fast/accurate shooting, it just doesn't count as an arcade score, ya know?

FIL · Post by **FIL** » Thu May 28, 2009 3:14 pm

Send it to TG and give them their first genuine record for a game made after 1983.

Smraedis · Post by **Smraedis** » Thu May 28, 2009 5:18 pm

BBH wrote:Smraedis your Point Blank replay is really great, but... you didn't mention anywhere that you were playing the PSX version.

Oh well excuse me then, yeah I should point that out in the replay, but I believe that the PS1 version is pretty much the same as the arcade version.
Also I am very very sure that I could also beat the score on arcade hardware, and I would be happy to prove it.
I just don't have the resources myself to do such a run on arcade hardware. Would you be happy to help?

BBH · Post by **BBH** » Fri May 29, 2009 6:35 am

Smraedis wrote:Oh well excuse me then, yeah I should point that out in the replay, but I believe that the PS1 version is pretty much the same as the arcade version.
Also I am very very sure that I could also beat the score on arcade hardware, and I would be happy to prove it.
I just don't have the resources myself to do such a run on arcade hardware. Would you be happy to help?

Never said you couldn't, and I wasn't bad-mouthing your score in any way.

Just saying that beating an arcade score on the PSX version doesn't mean you have the arcade record, it means you have the PSX record.

Not sure why it's up to me to provide arcade hardware when you're the one that wants the record.

Post by **Icarus** » Fri May 29, 2009 4:58 pm

BBH wrote:Never said you couldn't, and I wasn't bad-mouthing your score in any way.

Just saying that beating an arcade score on the PSX version doesn't mean you have the arcade record, it means you have the PSX record.

A lot of people have seen him play the arcade lightgun games at the London Meets and have seen how good he is at these kinds of games. I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say that he can probably manage these kinds of scores on proper Point Blank arcade hardware.

Just need some way to ship him off to Japan for a month or two, to get him on a cab. ^_-

Smraedis · Post by **Smraedis** » Fri May 29, 2009 5:18 pm

I do understand what you mean, and I'll try my best to beat the score when I get the chance to play the game on an arcade.
The console port is completely accurate to the arcade version, unlike games like Crisis Zone, where the scoring is slightly different (and I have no access to a Crisis Zone cab either..)

I'm just really happy that I beat such a score, and you must have been too, with your Shock Troopers achievement.

neorichieb1971 · Post by **neorichieb1971** » Fri May 29, 2009 7:32 pm

I played Ridge racer revolution to death in 1995. Using the fastest angel car I managed to do the longest track without taking my thumb off the accelerator with automatic transmission. It took me probably 8 months to perfect this skill. If anyone has beaten my time, it won't be more than 1/10th of a second. Although, I doubt anyone cares these days.

I one credited puzzle bobble 2 on MVS a few times. One route kept me at bay for months, when I eventually did that particular route, the bonus was through the roof when I did it beating all my previous scores by 10 million or more. My MVS probably still has the saved scores. I also have the same playstation memory card with the RRR times on it (I think).

I've always wondered if I have beaten a world record or not.

Plasmo · Post by **Plasmo** » Fri May 29, 2009 8:32 pm

jpj wrote:i don't know 100% that HFD's doj black label scores were listed in arcadia, but i imagine they were as gemant was listing them on A.I.V.A website long before the dvd release, and he took scores directly from the magazine.

That's indeed correct. He submitted a few scores to Arcadia with the highest ones being as follows:

Type A - 3,511,462,970 (Dec '06)
Type B - 3,097,782,550 (Feb '05)

*Both scores were achieved in an arcade called ゲームインファンファン in Kanagawa.

Note that the superplay DVD was released Dec '07. By the time he was submitting scores to Arcadia, the DVD probably wasn't even planned!