Achievements (split from Death Smiles thread)

kk1030 · Post by **kk1030** » Mon May 25, 2009 2:53 pm

Chiaroscuro wrote:"Bloody Jitterbug has been defeated."

And what exactly is that?

its a fake, there are hundreds of predictions on 2ch, its up to the 66 thread now(1000 msg per thread) and still no one has figure out what the 100 pt secret achievement is.

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Mon May 25, 2009 4:33 pm

kk1030 wrote:its a fake, there are hundreds of predictions on 2ch, its up to the 66 thread now(1000 msg per thread) and still no one has figure out what the 100 pt secret achievement is.

No, it is not fake. Feel free to doubt me as much as you want, but that's the achievement. The chances of me being one of the first to discover it are really fucking high right now.

Chiaroscuro · Post by **Chiaroscuro** » Mon May 25, 2009 6:04 pm

Elixir wrote:No, it is not fake. Feel free to doubt me as much as you want, but that's the achievement. The chances of me being one of the first to discover it are really fucking high right now.

Well, the easiest way of proving it is just to post your gamertag (just saying...).

What exactly that means, which are the conditions to get the achievement? (sorry I am not so into the DS lore, so I do not know what Bloodly Jitterbug is, a second form of the final boss?)

EDITED: just checked the gamertag in your signature, it does not have the 100 pts secret achievement. So mind you share with us from where you got this information? I know that you may have gain the achievement while offline, so please update your online gamertag.

SFKhoa · Post by **SFKhoa** » Mon May 25, 2009 6:15 pm

Chiaroscuro wrote: EDITED: just checked the gamertag in your signature, it does not have the 100 pts secret achievement. So mind you share with us from where you got this information? I know that you may have gain the achievement while offline, so please update your online gamertag.

Elixir never said he got it. He ALMOST did.

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Mon May 25, 2009 6:37 pm

What exactly that means, which are the conditions to get the achievement? (sorry I am not so into the DS lore, so I do not know what Bloodly Jitterbug is, a second form of the final boss?)

There isn't a description, much like all bosses that you defeat, the descriptions only say "x boss has been defeated" and don't elaborate on how it's done.

Chiaroscuro wrote:EDITED: just checked the gamertag in your signature, it does not have the 100 pts secret achievement. So mind you share with us from where you got this information? I know that you may have gain the achievement while offline, so please update your online gamertag.

Tell you what, send a friends request and I'll add you on that profile so you can see for yourself.

Chiaroscuro · Post by **Chiaroscuro** » Mon May 25, 2009 7:02 pm

Elixir wrote:
What exactly that means, which are the conditions to get the achievement? (sorry I am not so into the DS lore, so I do not know what Bloodly Jitterbug is, a second form of the final boss?)
There isn't a description, much like all bosses that you defeat, the descriptions only say "x boss has been defeated" and don't elaborate on how it's done.

Chiaroscuro wrote:EDITED: just checked the gamertag in your signature, it does not have the 100 pts secret achievement. So mind you share with us from where you got this information? I know that you may have gain the achievement while offline, so please update your online gamertag.
Tell you what, send a friends request and I'll add you on that profile so you can see for yourself.

I am not doubting you exilir, I am just curious about an achievement that I probably never get.

What I have asked is how you fight "Bloodly Jitterbug"? I am assuming you know the conditions you fight him, right? I mean, you need to go all stages on Level 999 in one cc or what?

Chiaroscuro · Post by **Chiaroscuro** » Mon May 25, 2009 7:04 pm

Elixir never said he got it. He ALMOST did.

So from where that achievement image and description come from? Secret achievements only show descriptions after you get them.

kk1030 · Post by **kk1030** » Mon May 25, 2009 8:44 pm

The image has appeared from the 2ch board deathsmile sure 66, someone posted an image of the achievement, and the only comment along w/ that image is "the last secret achievement".

link: ttp://schiphol.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/gamestg/1243166887/

And then other ppl begins to start rumours on how to get it, w/ stupid comments like: "Bloody Jiruba, translated to Japanese straightly means Jiruba w/ blood on him, which means defeat the Jiruba who got swallowed and splitted out by Dirano Satan!"

Well, not that I am doubting you, but I learned that as long as the information has not been stablized or confirmed, do not trust anything thats on 2ch.

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Mon May 25, 2009 8:57 pm

I posted that on 2Ch, after Elixir posted the picture on Cave-stg.com.

PsikyoPshumpPshooterP · Mon May 25, 2009 9:26 pm

how many fucken times u gonna have a cheap plug for your website on every post..jesus christ

..OT, theres gonna be a handful of people whose ever gonna get the last achievement so it shouldnt really matter to achievement whores

to get the last achievement(first piece of info on SHMUPS FORUM)

You have to go through the ice palace and canyon, and CASTLE at rank 999, which means you can't continue from start to finish. Then you have to beat a beefed up Jitterbug.

You should only need to do 4 out of the first 6 stages in rank 999, since once you do that the ice palace is in rank 999 as well.

lol

sven666 · Post by **sven666** » Mon May 25, 2009 9:47 pm

ill regret i asked but whats the beef beween you two anyways?

as someone who didnt even know what achivements were up untill recently its nice to see one that takes some proper skill for once

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Tue May 26, 2009 1:39 am

sven666 wrote:ill regret i asked but whats the beef beween you two anyways?

I banned him from CAVE-STG awhile back because he's a troll and a moron.

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Tue May 26, 2009 1:43 am

This shouldn't have even been allowed to progress this far out in the open - any of you want to discuss this further, take it to PM or I take it to the admins.

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Tue May 26, 2009 3:49 am

kk1030 wrote:The image has appeared from the 2ch board deathsmile sure 66, someone posted an image of the achievement, and the only comment along w/ that image is "the last secret achievement".

link: ttp://schiphol.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/gamestg/1243166887/

And then other ppl begins to start rumours on how to get it, w/ stupid comments like: "Bloody Jiruba, translated to Japanese straightly means Jiruba w/ blood on him, which means defeat the Jiruba who got swallowed and splitted out by Dirano Satan!"

Well, not that I am doubting you, but I learned that as long as the information has not been stablized or confirmed, do not trust anything thats on 2ch.

For the record, I don't browse 2ch, but since it was linked from imageshack it's obviously a foreigner.. but I see EOJ has confessed to posting it already.

Nobody actually knows how to get the achievement. I have the achievement, and even I don't know how to get it. That might not make sense now, so I'll explain. It's pretty simple, I'm capable of hex editing achievements offline. They're stored within the game and tied to unlocking under certain flags. Providing you're signed into a gamertag they'll unlock. Here's the catch, though: in the wrong order, meaning you'll get banned if you try this online.

There is a way of hex editing achievements properly and without being detected online, but this requires you to reallocate every achievement you have to match the timestamps in which they were achieved (this is stored within a single file, actually, your entire gamertag is). Let me tell you, hash block calculating is time consuming and not worth the effort. This has to be done for every single achievement you want, and you also have to know which ones unlock in what order. It's way too time consuming. If you don't, and if you connect to Xbox Live, it'll update your gamerscore and say, for example, "50 out of 50 unlocked" locally, but it won't unlock all achievements serverside, rather it'll unlock a certain number and keep the rest locked, despite your profile saying you've gotten all 50. This won't change, meaning you can't get the achievements from the game (defeating the entire purpose), and once Xbox Live catches the achievement indifference, they'll delete your account or ban you.

I've never actually tried taking this online and I don't intend to do so. It's just way too risky. You might wonder what the point in doing this is, but it's good for finding out what secret achievements are ahead of time, and especially in this case where everyone has been trying to hunt down the 100pt MBL achievement through legitimate means.

There's a whole bunch of finer points which I haven't brought up here but that's basically how I managed to find out what it was. It doesn't elaborate, it just says "Bloody Jitterbug has been defeated." in Japanese, along with that icon and the 100 points unlocking. Everyone's assuming that you have to go through MBL with Lv999 for all stages without continuing, up until Jitterbug. That's pretty much impossible and especially at my current skill level (I can barely 1cc MBL), so I wouldn't worry too much about it.

adversity1 · Post by **adversity1** » Tue May 26, 2009 8:04 am

So that's how you got those SFIV achievements.

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Tue May 26, 2009 8:40 am

Those were legit. Don't get the wrong idea, Megalixir 360's my main account, so of course I'm not going to try anything stupid on it. Like I said, doing it to online accounts gets you banned. And I certainly don't want that. SFIV was pretty disappointing - HeartNana bought it for me and we never got around to playing.

The most criminal thing I've done on my main profile is transfer saves between my old European account from 2006. Because there's no way in hell I'm going to spend 120 hours grinding for all those weapons in Earth Defense Force 2017 again.

I'm actually really proud of my main account. I have some really irritating stuff achieved, like all 50 missions in N+ done, fully completed Eternal Sonata, Crackdown, EDF, Otomedius 1ccs and that god forsaken color test in Shooting Love.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Tue May 26, 2009 10:05 am

sven666 wrote:ill regret i asked but whats the beef beween you two anyways?

I'll find the original thread as it's such a classic, but I think it boils down to PPPP having a throbbing boner for EOJ, and it never exceeding past the one-sided wankfest stage.

sven666 · Post by **sven666** » Tue May 26, 2009 10:21 am

big lulz.. PPPP is such an angry young man.

CRI · Post by **CRI** » Tue May 26, 2009 12:17 pm

Elixir wrote:Those were legit. Don't get the wrong idea, Megalixir 360's my main account, so of course I'm not going to try anything stupid on it.

if that is so then why is you devil may cry 4 achievement list completely fucked up?

you got the achievements for clear all game modes and clear son of sparda with s rank offline.
after that you got clear son of sparda for the 1st time. (this was played online)
so how did you get the clear all game mode and s rank son of sparda if you didnt even finished it at that moment?

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Tue May 26, 2009 12:36 pm

CRI wrote:
Elixir wrote:Those were legit. Don't get the wrong idea, Megalixir 360's my main account, so of course I'm not going to try anything stupid on it.
if that is so then why is you devil may cry 4 achievement list completely fucked up?
you got the achievements for clear all game modes and clear son of sparda with s rank offline.
after that you got clear son of sparda for the 1st time. (this was played online)
so how did you get the clear all game mode and s rank son of sparda if you didnt even finished it at that moment?

Because the achievement unlocked was taken from a different account and had different credentials? Messing with achievements individually fucks up the internal clock on your 360 as well as it clashes with the timezone you have set, and the timezone of which the profile was last modified (if this is modified via the file externally, it also changes). This isn't something which can be assigned from a specific profile because the hash blocks which identify each game to each profile are different to the console itself (and in order to change a profile's save to a different gamertag, it needs to be resigned), and the 360 itself which has a default profile that you can't access.

In short, I'm not always online, and stuff I unlock from other profiles offline can clash with what's unlocked online. It boils down to the fact that the online achievements are only tracked if you trigger them while signed into Xbox Live, as opposed to unlocking them offline which can't be recorded. If the profiles were locked to both offline, they wouldn't do this. The achievements are still gotten legitimately, just with gamertag ID confusion. Things like stored levels, etc, are something which I can transfer between profiles freely (providing it's clientside) but things like achievements, online hi-scores, gamerpics and DLC aren't possible, as they're not stored locally.

Speaking of, this also means that if for any reason Xbox Live goes down or they remove Mega Black Label to download, you'll be forced to use it on one and only profile (edit: the one you've purchased it with) providing it's never deleted off your console. I discovered this because they removed a few gamerpic packs off the European marketplace which I purchased, and in between purchasing my second JP console and migrating the licenses between consoles I discovered that I wasn't able to download it via my download history. This is why I don't really like DLC all that much to begin with, as you're not actually paying for the data, but just the ability to said data which can be modified by Microsoft at any time. Or you know, removed. Since it technically doesn't exist.

CRI · Post by **CRI** » Tue May 26, 2009 12:54 pm

sry i don't know anything about transferring saves from different accounts and how that can fuck up your achievement list.
i was just curious about your dmc4 achievements because i see you have much gs in that game which means you must be pretty skilled at it.
after i look at it the first i've seen was you clear dante must die mission 11 at 23.9.2008 and you clear son of sparda at 2.4.2009.
that dosnt make sense because DMD only unlocks when SOS is finished.
but like i said i don't know anything about save transfer.

also sry i think we got to offtopic here.

Chiaroscuro · Post by **Chiaroscuro** » Tue May 26, 2009 1:47 pm

Exilier, transfering gamesaves between profiles is also kind of cheating, even if you really played the game. Everybody will doubt your gamertag credentials, no matter how do you explain it.

adversity1 · Post by **adversity1** » Tue May 26, 2009 2:43 pm

Elixir wrote:Those were legit. Don't get the wrong idea, Megalixir 360's my main account, so of course I'm not going to try anything stupid on it.

You unlocked over 20 achievements in SFIV all in the same day. Your only missing achievements are online (besides the Gouken one). Sorry that sounds pretty unlikely. I don't believe you.

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Tue May 26, 2009 3:05 pm

adversity1 wrote:
Elixir wrote:Those were legit. Don't get the wrong idea, Megalixir 360's my main account, so of course I'm not going to try anything stupid on it.
You unlocked over 20 achievements in SFIV all in the same day. Your only missing achievements are online (besides the Gouken one). Sorry that sounds pretty unlikely. I don't believe you.

I did unlock them, and those others are ones I still need to get. I've already explained this. What more do you want me to say?

Edit: The profile probably updated them all at once when I went online. Not sure.

Chiaroscuro · Post by **Chiaroscuro** » Tue May 26, 2009 3:48 pm

Elixir wrote:
adversity1 wrote:
Elixir wrote:Those were legit. Don't get the wrong idea, Megalixir 360's my main account, so of course I'm not going to try anything stupid on it.
You unlocked over 20 achievements in SFIV all in the same day. Your only missing achievements are online (besides the Gouken one). Sorry that sounds pretty unlikely. I don't believe you.
I did unlock them, and those others are ones I still need to get. I've already explained this. What more do you want me to say?

Edit: The profile probably updated them all at once when I went online. Not sure.

Sorry, but the proofs are not looking good to you.

I have greasemonkey plug in for Firefox, which gaves me not only the day you unlock achievements, but the time as well.

Let's see:
Clear NORMAL Time Attack in Challenge Mode. Acquired 4/3/2009 12:18 AM
Clear HARD Time Attack in Challenge Mode. Acquired 4/3/2009 12:18 AM
Play 100 Xbox LIVE battles. (Ranked match or player match) Acquired 4/3/2009 12:45 AM
Play 200 Xbox LIVE battles. (Ranked match or player match) Acquired 4/3/2009 12:45 AM
Play 500 Xbox LIVE battles. (Ranked match or player match) Acquired 4/3/2009 12:45 AM

Can you play 400 Live battles in ONE minute?????

Besides, any achievement gained offline does not show date, only "acquired". And the last ones I mentioned are online achievements.

Sorry, you are a cheater.

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Tue May 26, 2009 4:00 pm

Chiaroscuro wrote:
Elixir wrote:
adversity1 wrote: You unlocked over 20 achievements in SFIV all in the same day. Your only missing achievements are online (besides the Gouken one). Sorry that sounds pretty unlikely. I don't believe you.
I did unlock them, and those others are ones I still need to get. I've already explained this. What more do you want me to say?

Edit: The profile probably updated them all at once when I went online. Not sure.
Sorry, but the proofs are not looking good to you.

I have greasemonkey plug in for Firefox, which gaves me not only the day you unlock achievements, but the time as well.

Let's see:
Clear NORMAL Time Attack in Challenge Mode. Acquired 4/3/2009 12:18 AM
Clear HARD Time Attack in Challenge Mode. Acquired 4/3/2009 12:18 AM
Play 100 Xbox LIVE battles. (Ranked match or player match) Acquired 4/3/2009 12:45 AM
Play 200 Xbox LIVE battles. (Ranked match or player match) Acquired 4/3/2009 12:45 AM
Play 500 Xbox LIVE battles. (Ranked match or player match) Acquired 4/3/2009 12:45 AM

Can you play 400 Live battles in ONE minute?????

Besides, any achievement gained offline does not show date, only "acquired". And the last ones I mentioned are online achievements.

Sorry, you are a cheater.

Please read my previous response so I don't have to deal with this bullshit you keep throwing at me. Like, a greasemonkey plugin which just happens to display Xbox Live timestamps? Right. The achievements appear when transferred from gamertag to gamertag from saves transferred as well. Some achievements (such as the online ones) will only show timestamps if they're online achievements, meaning they won't unlock clientside until you're connected to Xbox Live. That's why they're showing all at once.

Go on, get all the online achievements for SFIV and then assign them to another profile, connect to Xbox Live and tell me I'm wrong. This is a legitimate way of transferring data between gamertags as it's resigned and treated as a single gamertag. Hex editing achievements modifies states from gamertags, and if they're different to the ones matched on Xbox's (there's no official name for this, it's just the Xbox 360 gamertag tracking system), they either update or update incorrectly thus resulting in a ban.

I don't know how to recalculate the hash blocks that modify the gamertag's achievement list or else it would be possible to do this in an undetectable manner - people can do this though, I just don't know how. Still, it's like I said, this is a great way of discovering secret achievements ahead of time and it's good for contributing towards sites that list them. I'm going to paste what I also said on cave-stg about 360 content since this issue is raised:

All Xbox 360 games have an ID string and all content contains various garbage within this ID string, which identifies itself as different from each other yet still related to the original ID string. I've managed to create a program which catches this and stores it locally, and after I mess with it I can upload it, for example, here's some live gamerpics which are sourced from Xbox.com, redirected and grouped here: http://loliserv.org/~elixir/noah/gamerpic.php

These are the gamerpics for a few JP only 360 titles. If a new gamerpic gets released for any of those games, it will be detected there as they're uploaded to Xbox.com's database (which can be identified) a few days prior to them being released on the Xbox Live marketplace. This is how I managed to discover that the Chaos;Head Noah gamerpics (such as the geckko froggy ones) were going to be released and what they looked like prior to them actually being released. This can be done for all achievements, avatars, themes, basically any content on any marketplace providing that it's attached to the game itself (which it has to, in order for it to be under the game's category in the marketplace). It's even easier for games like DOJBLEX because they have their own achievement interface within the game, which means it's pretty much readily available and I can even extract the achievement icons. In order for an achievement list to exist, it needs to be stored there, otherwise people who unlock the achievement and log into Xbox.com or on Xbox Live will not see any information displayed (or if it doesn't exist, the previous information ie. locked achievement description will be there).

MBL was actually on the marketplace about 3 days ahead of release.

CStarFlare · Post by **CStarFlare** » Tue May 26, 2009 4:27 pm

I care far more about the fact that Elixir gave us the last achievement for MBL (impossible though it may be) than the fact that he cheats on shitty grind achievements on Street Fighter 4.

So thanks, lix.

adversity1 · Post by **adversity1** » Tue May 26, 2009 4:32 pm

What is your other gamertag that you are transferring these saves from?

I know Elixir at least does most of his unlocking legitimate, since I see him on my friends list, and I have no reason to doubt his STG scores. I'm just saying this SFIV list looks hacked.

Chiaroscuro · Post by **Chiaroscuro** » Tue May 26, 2009 4:38 pm

Hummm... okay now I understand what you messing in that profile savegame transfer thing. Problem is that you do not have a reason for using different gamertags to gain the achievements and then collapse them all in one gamertag. You may have need before like when you said that you did transfer some gamesaves from your European profile but SFIV is a pretty new game, it should be after that.

Besides, transfering achievements from different gamertags, specially online achievements, are a form of cheating.

Bottom line is that you do not have anything to proof you really made the achievements (ok, you did, I will not argue about it anymore). You could got those "other savegames" from the internet as the cheaters used to do before the hex editing. Your profile is as suspicious as a cheater's one. And your account can be cleaned by Microsoft as well (MS do not ban or suspend, just reset the gamerscore of such accounts).

You may have "intellectual" or "research" reasons (or even just curious) to mess with the profile and xbox files, but that is against the TOC you have with MS anyway.

But again, you should have keep your main profile clean of all that mess.

And this discussion is way off topic.

Again, I am not doubting your capacity for gaining those achievements, but you really messed with your profile causing this kind of discussion. And thanks for the MBL secret achievement!