Shmupfight #2 : Ikaruga Vs Radiant Silvergun

[nimitz]

Battle of the Treasure shmups, while they do share some similarities they are pretty different games in the end. May the best shmup win.



The poll is open for 7 days.

Feel free to discuss.

[Kollision]

Ikaruga is overrated and not fun.

[kengou]

I love both games, but Silvergun's length and difficulty puts me off a bit. Also I'm still not quite clear on Silvergun's scoring system even after playing it for a while. While it's an awesome game, it's also clearly Treasure's first shmup, and there's some rough ideas that got fleshed out more in Ikaruga which makes it feel like the better experience.

Now that I've said that, I'll slowly back out of this thread and try to avoid the inevitable Treasure bashing.

[it290]

RS is just more fun in the long run.

[BulletMagnet]

Each one does certain things decidedly better than the other, though I'd probably have to give RSG the edge.

[Herr Schatten]

Ikaruga is overrated and not fun.

Both games are overrated and not fun, IMO.

I'll have to give Ikaruga the slight edge, though, just for being less convoluted.

[jpj]

been playing lots of ikaruga this week - dangerously addictive

[WarBovine]

While I love both games, Ikaruga just feels a lot more polished than Silvergun. Then again, I guess the lack of conflicting scoring systems probably won me over.

[emphatic]

Overrated vs. Overrated. Play Ketsui instead.

[`Throwdown]

Ikaruga is much more polished, and better overall. RS is in no way a bad game... epic classic and groundbreaking. I gotta go with Ikaruga.

[Jockel]

I'd go with RSG, most likely because i just can't stand Ikaruga anymore.

[Koa Zo]

declaring games "overrated" is overrated.



seriously

Get over it. People clearly enjoy the games.
Your definitive declaration of "overrated" says nothing.

btw, your mom is overrated.

[ForceDevice]

Ikaruga hands down.

[Rob]

Listening to RSG's soundtrack over playing either. *wark*

[Twiddle]

ikaruga and radiant silvergun could be much better games if some things were changed in each

for ikaruga, the first half of the game

for radiant silvergun, removing the levels entirely and make it a complete boss rush game

a vote for ikaruga because we are judging their current forms and it just happens to suck less overall

[FIL]

I'm going to have to go with Ikaruga because like herr schatten said, it's less convoluted. It's also a lot browner, that makes it next gen.

[THE]

It's also a lot browner, that makes it next gen.

That's almost sig worthy. Where are all the colors gone?

On topic: I voted not familiar as there is no option: both suck

[CIT]

RSG, cuz better music and graphics.

[Twiddle]

Overrated vs. Overrated. Play Ketsui instead.

overrated vs overrated vs overrated

[emphatic]

declaring games "overrated" is overrated.



seriously

Get over it. People clearly enjoy the games.
Your definitive declaration of "overrated" says nothing.

btw, your mom is overrated.

If that's referring to my post, I was joking.

[jpj]

i posted some thoughts on silvergun a while ago. it was off the top of my head so there will be some typos and shit.

when you compare and contrast the two you can see what they changed for ikaruga and why they changed it. at least that's my interpretation.

and plasmo made a good post about it before, that i remembered.

my trouble is, do you vote for the first game, which was a massive accomplishment in various aspects; or the second game, which streamlined and polished the previous game's formula to almost an art-form? without one there we wouldn't be the other... i love silvergun's atmosphere and boss fights. i love ikaruga's immediacy and short addictive gameplay. i'm not sure i can choose

the inevitable Treasure bashing.

i quite enjoy it when people get a sandy vagina about what games other people enjoy. moreso when they end up making more posts in the thread than the people who like the game

[PC Engine Fan X!]

Having played the ST-V version of RSG, it's a meaner and leaner version of it's earlier released SS counterpart. Of course, with a JPN ST-V mobo, you'd be able to properly utillize the 3-button layout scheme that the Japanese arcade gamers have played with for years. Every time I'd play it, it made me it's bitch. ^_~

When Ikaruga was finally released on the Japanese DC console, I bought a copy off of NCSX and found out that it was easier to play in the beginning stages. And it too, handed me my ass, especially on the later stages. ^_~

I'd have to say that RSG wins my vote in terms of Treasure for getting on the right footing, especially for their very first epic shmup title release -- most game developers don't get the gameplay & game mechanics honed just right on their first release anyways. Listening to the BGM in the soundtest portion of RSG ST-V cartridge on the ST-V mobo reveals a very fitting soundtrack worthy of sitting back and just taking it in via a stereo harness adapter. ^_~

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

[CStarFlare]

RSG, cuz better... graphics.

silvergun looks bad

Ikaruga doesn't require boss milking to score well on so it wins.

[PC Engine Fan X!]

RSG, cuz better... graphics.

silvergun looks bad

Ikaruga doesn't require boss milking to score well on so it wins.

If you think the ST-V version of RSG looks bad, keep in mind that it is running on a low resolution RGB monitor setup whereas Ikaruga is running on a high res one. Big difference there. Suppose if Treasure decided to go with an interlaced high-res look but running on low-res arcade mobo hardware with Ikaruga, would it still look pretty? I can see the reasoning of Treasure jumping to high res for it's successor of RSG. ^_~

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

[professor ganson]

Ikaruga is overrated and not fun.

Both games are overrated and not fun, IMO.

I'll have to give Ikaruga the slight edge, though, just for being less convoluted.

Took the words out of my mouth.

[CStarFlare]

If you think the ST-V version of RSG looks bad, keep in mind that it is running on a low resolution RGB monitor setup whereas Ikaruga is running on a high res one.

It really has more to do with the fact that early 3D does not age well.

[Observer]

Hey, RSG has those brown ships now and then. In fact, RSG can be easily converted to this browned, bloomed next-gen.

Here are some rough samples of the upcoming PC/Amiga/Gameboy Advance conversion (let's ignore the fact that is says 2 at the end of the score, thank you):



And here is how it'll look for the later 360 port with many many achievements like "Press Start" and "increase your lives to 10 from the options menu":



Jokes aside, I'm torn between Ikaruga and RSG. Not a big fan of any due to their respective mechanics, but I picked the latter because, despite all its problems, I just love how many attacks the bosses have and the amount of shit they throw at you. Even if you have to go crazy, skip enemies and chain those stupid colours, graze, milk bosses, destroy every single part for the 100% before they time out, etc., etc.

I think I might be the only one but I love the orchestral soundtrack, as repetitive as it is.

[ZOM]

I don't like them both. Even though I think both games have relatively high production values or at least a high quality presentation, after knowing what's going on scoring wise I simply had no(not enough) fun playing them. They're tedious, both of 'em.

Still... I give this point to RSG, simply for it's musical score & "epicness"

[ncp]

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[jpj]

i gave you lives so you make good progress but you could not understand