7th Annual Top 25 Shmups of All Time! - Discussion thread

incognoscente · Post by **incognoscente** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 3:59 pm

RGC wrote:I don't care for the original arcade [ESPGaluda] anywhere near as much as the 'bonus' playstation edition, and I don't want my vote to go to the arcade version since it does not have the Arrange mode.

Historically, ESPGaluda and ESPGaluda Arrange Mode have been counted as the same game. I would rather not split them this year. Votes for the PS2 version will continue to cover both modes.

If your concern is due to the listing of ESPGaluda (ARC) (as opposed to ESPGaluda (PS2/ARC)) in last year's results, I don't plan on omitting the PS2 text from this year's results listing. Additionally, I will strive to list the target platforms in order of their standing relative each other, where sufficient information is available.

Shatterhand wrote:are Zanac NES and Zanac EX counted as the same game?

Yes.

Dale · Post by **Dale** » Wed May 06, 2009 6:30 am

Does Paperboy count?

jp · Post by jp » Wed May 06, 2009 2:53 pm

Meh. I predict another Cave fest, but... I voted anyways.

... ironically, a Cave game is in my top 10 (Death Smiles, which is fecking amazing) and then I threw in ProGear down at the bottom. I wanted to vote for Ketsui because it looks awesome and I love Ketsui Death Label... but since I am yet to play Ketsui proper, I refrained from doing so.

So next year I might actually have three Cave shmups in my top 25.

And two of them might even be in my top 10.

Never the top 5 though, Radiant Silvergun, Batsugun Special, and Tecno Soft (TRUE Tecno Soft) will always dominate those spots.

Also threw in a vote for Space Invaders Extreme because I saw folks voting for all kinds of wacky shit, so I figured, why not?

Dandy J · Post by **Dandy J** » Thu May 07, 2009 1:56 pm

all i want this year is the same thing i want every year

no mushihime on the list

Dale · Post by **Dale** » Thu May 07, 2009 6:59 pm

Dale wrote:Does Paperboy count?

I gots ta know.

Grinning Cat · Post by **Grinning Cat** » Thu May 07, 2009 7:59 pm

jp wrote: So next year I might actually have three Cave shmups in my top 25. And two of them might even be in my top 10.

Never the top 5 though, Radiant Silvergun, Batsugun Special, and Tecno Soft (TRUE Tecno Soft) will always dominate those spots.

Batsugun Special is virtually a Cave shmup in all but name, though. Similar-ish team (iirc) and their last shmup as Toaplan before Donpachi

doctorx0079 · Post by **doctorx0079** » Thu May 07, 2009 9:15 pm

Dale wrote:
Dale wrote:Does Paperboy count?
I gots ta know.

Hey incog, I think he's serious here.

Dale · Post by **Dale** » Thu May 07, 2009 9:47 pm

doctorx0079 wrote:
Dale wrote:
Dale wrote:Does Paperboy count?
I gots ta know.
Hey incog, I think he's serious here.

For Reals.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Thu May 07, 2009 10:10 pm

incognoscente adds Paperboy to the list of banned shmups, read all about it!

Dale · Post by **Dale** » Thu May 07, 2009 10:40 pm

What aspect of PaperBoy isn't a shmup? The Inertia thing is the only thing I see that's off.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Thu May 07, 2009 11:47 pm

Deliver-em-up.

Actually the inertia isn't what makes it different, it's mainly the training course. I dunno, this game should count, and after playing it for the first time in a while in MAME I think it deserves to be on somebody's list.

Dale · Post by **Dale** » Fri May 08, 2009 12:40 am

Their are lots of shmups with bonus levels. The fact it only gives you one chance to beat only reimburses it's shmup-ness. Or is it because it has jumping?

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Fri May 08, 2009 12:55 am

Of course, Moon Patrol has jumping, and so do the shmup-like sections of the Konami Trio from Sunset Riders to Mystic Warriors. Yeah, it's just a bonus round.

incognoscente · Post by **incognoscente** » Fri May 08, 2009 3:24 am

I had never thought of Paperboy as a shmup because the intended targets (subscribed houses) do not get destroyed. However, I can understand why one would consider Paperboy a shmup, so I'm not opposed to it receiving votes.

Let's make a deal: vote for only 25 titles (in accordance with the rules) and you can make one of them Paperboy. :)

Dale · Post by **Dale** » Fri May 08, 2009 3:27 am

Alright sure.

Edit:I'm not doing any thing else wrong am I? I didn't really follow the whole discussion on how to rank it.
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.ph ... 5&start=30

jp · Post by jp » Fri May 08, 2009 3:47 am

Grinning Cat wrote:
jp wrote: So next year I might actually have three Cave shmups in my top 25. And two of them might even be in my top 10.

Never the top 5 though, Radiant Silvergun, Batsugun Special, and Tecno Soft (TRUE Tecno Soft) will always dominate those spots.
Batsugun Special is virtually a Cave shmup in all but name, though. Similar-ish team (iirc) and their last shmup as Toaplan before Donpachi

Shush! Let me have my fantasy! :p

I know, I just... don't understand how they can go from Batsugun Special to garbage like DonPachi. =X

Shelcoof · Post by **Shelcoof** » Fri May 08, 2009 4:24 am

Thunderforce IV will always be one of the greatest shmups of all time. It`s one of the most amazing games every.

Cave games rule the majority of my Top Shmup lists along with the very few Shmup games by Technosoft and Treasure.

Post by **Shatterhand** » Fri May 08, 2009 5:59 pm

Maybe someone loves 3 games to death but thinks everything else is mediocre

Maybe this guy isnt's a fan of shmups and so, what the heck is he doing here?

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Fri May 08, 2009 6:41 pm

incognoscente wrote:I had never thought of Paperboy as a shmup because the intended targets (subscribed houses) do not get destroyed. However, I can understand why one would consider Paperboy a shmup, so I'm not opposed to it receiving votes.

Let's make a deal: vote for only 25 titles (in accordance with the rules) and you can make one of them Paperboy.

If you're playing Paperboy for score you're pretty much aiming for as high a destruction rate as possible (on non-subscriber houses)

Grinning Cat · Post by **Grinning Cat** » Sat May 09, 2009 9:21 pm

jp wrote:
Grinning Cat wrote:
jp wrote: So next year I might actually have three Cave shmups in my top 25. And two of them might even be in my top 10.

Never the top 5 though, Radiant Silvergun, Batsugun Special, and Tecno Soft (TRUE Tecno Soft) will always dominate those spots.
Batsugun Special is virtually a Cave shmup in all but name, though. Similar-ish team (iirc) and their last shmup as Toaplan before Donpachi
Shush! Let me have my fantasy! :p

I know, I just... don't understand how they can go from Batsugun Special to garbage like DonPachi. =X

To be fair, I'm something of a Cave fanboy (not in that I like all of their shmups by any means, but at least 3 of them are all-time favourites) and even I'd admit that Batsugun Special is light years ahead of Donpachi

And Dodonpachi, for that matter

jp · Post by jp » Sat May 09, 2009 9:33 pm

Grinning Cat wrote: Batsugun Special is light years ahead of Donpachi And Dodonpachi, for that matter

Then we're on the same page.

I used to despise Cave awhile back, when all I had played by them were the 'Pachis, whichever ESP game is on MAME, ProGear, Dangun Feveron, and Guwange (though I would admit to loving ProGear and finding DF good), but I'm starting to warm up to them. Death Smiles is absolutely brilliant and, in my opinion, is probably the best designed shmup of all time in so far as providing something for people of all skill ranges.

And if Ketsui Death Label is any indication I predict that I will love the hell out of Ketsui when I finally get to play it. All the videos I've watched of it certainly have me hyped.

Not too excited about the Mushi game though... I didn't like what I played of that one on my friend's PS2. But, as long as we get Death Smiles II, I'll be happy.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Sat May 09, 2009 10:41 pm

Twiddle wrote:
incognoscente wrote:I had never thought of Paperboy as a shmup because the intended targets (subscribed houses) do not get destroyed. However, I can understand why one would consider Paperboy a shmup, so I'm not opposed to it receiving votes.

Let's make a deal: vote for only 25 titles (in accordance with the rules) and you can make one of them Paperboy. :)
If you're playing Paperboy for score you're pretty much aiming for as high a destruction rate as possible (on non-subscriber houses)

Ding ding: Aim for the windows.

Grinning Cat · Post by **Grinning Cat** » Sun May 10, 2009 6:10 pm

jp wrote:
Grinning Cat wrote: Batsugun Special is light years ahead of Donpachi And Dodonpachi, for that matter

Then we're on the same page.

I used to despise Cave awhile back, when all I had played by them were the 'Pachis, whichever ESP game is on MAME, ProGear, Dangun Feveron, and Guwange (though I would admit to loving ProGear and finding DF good), but I'm starting to warm up to them. Death Smiles is absolutely brilliant and, in my opinion, is probably the best designed shmup of all time in so far as providing something for people of all skill ranges.

And if Ketsui Death Label is any indication I predict that I will love the hell out of Ketsui when I finally get to play it. All the videos I've watched of it certainly have me hyped.

Not too excited about the Mushi game though... I didn't like what I played of that one on my friend's PS2. But, as long as we get Death Smiles II, I'll be happy.

I probably should have given Death Smiles more of a chance - I had the PCB, but sold it fearing the price would soon plummet still further

That's Cave collecting for ya

Was definitely fun, though

Ketsui is indeed AMAZING! I really want to buy the PCB back at some point, as it's one of an incredibly small number of games I just can't live without. Guwange would be my favourite overall, though

Progear probably third - though that's probably semi-controversial, given that even by their own admission, Progear was Cave's 'Hori experiment' and Death Smiles was more Cave's style tailored to to the Hori format!

unsane · Post by **unsane** » Mon May 11, 2009 1:29 pm

Wow, 4 of the last 5 vote posts are epic fail.

neist · Post by **neist** » Mon May 11, 2009 1:33 pm

unsane wrote:Wow, 4 of the last 5 vote posts are epic fail.

Yeah, I noticed that too.

Chi_Ryu · Post by **Chi_Ryu** » Mon May 11, 2009 1:42 pm

unsane wrote:Wow, 4 of the last 5 vote posts are epic fail.

In fact, all 5 are... since the one that is almost right has no space between the points and the title

MadScientist · Post by **MadScientist** » Mon May 11, 2009 3:23 pm

Chi_Ryu wrote:since the one that is almost right has no space between the points and the title

Dammit, sorry bout that. I'll edit it now...

incognoscente · Post by **incognoscente** » Mon May 11, 2009 6:12 pm

Private messages sent to charlie chong, Gespenst, jp, louisg, rolins, rtw, Shelcoof, and sven666 regarding vote formatting and/or eligibility.

Enhasa · Post by **Enhasa** » Mon May 11, 2009 6:25 pm

I think it'd also be a good idea to contact people who haven't filled in their placeholder posts, and people who retracted their lists before the really high qualification percentages were lowered.

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Mon May 11, 2009 9:36 pm

Nice list, Spadgy.