Bar81 wrote:
For others, I am excited to see Layer Section finally getting a rerelease so that current gen owners can experience the best shmup ever created imo. One can only hope for TATE as Yoko just isn't right.
DOH!!! My badjp wrote:Bar81 wrote:
For others, I am excited to see Layer Section finally getting a rerelease so that current gen owners can experience the best shmup ever created imo. One can only hope for TATE as Yoko just isn't right.
Layer Section? Am I missing something? I only saw Layer Section II on that list...
You're right dude, I transposed Raystorm into Rayforce. Oh well.jp wrote:Bar81 wrote:
For others, I am excited to see Layer Section finally getting a rerelease so that current gen owners can experience the best shmup ever created imo. One can only hope for TATE as Yoko just isn't right.
Layer Section? Am I missing something? I only saw Layer Section II on that list...
SHMUP sale page.Randorama wrote:ban CMoon for being a closet Jerry Falwell cockmonster/Ann Coulter fan, Nijska a bronie (ack! The horror!), and Ed Oscuro being unable to post 100-word arguments without writing 3-pages posts.
Eugenics: you know it's right!
Agreed. Bitch, bitch, bitch. Let's at least wait until it comes out before we start the pity party.CMoon wrote:You know, you guys are all full of piss and vinegar. If G-Darius comes out arcade perfect, your gonna be joining me in prayer that we can finally play what is already a freaking fantastic game, but without the slowdown. I can't imagine they would merely emulate the PSX port (w/ slowdown), and the arcade version of G-Darius isn't mamable to my knowledge.
In fact, I suspect if there was a great port of G-Darius there would be a freakin' revival of the titles and it would be up there on people's top horizontal shmup list (where it belongs anyway).
The rest of this is just pointless cynicism and bickering. Any comp featuring featuring Gekirindan, Gun Frontier, G-Darius and Layer Section is AMAZING news.
Dude, we don't even KNOW that those shmups will even BE ON the US release.CMoon wrote:You know, you guys are all full of piss and vinegar. If G-Darius comes out arcade perfect, your gonna be joining me in prayer that we can finally play what is already a freaking fantastic game, but without the slowdown. I can't imagine they would merely emulate the PSX port (w/ slowdown), and the arcade version of G-Darius isn't mamable to my knowledge.
In fact, I suspect if there was a great port of G-Darius there would be a freakin' revival of the titles and it would be up there on people's top horizontal shmup list (where it belongs anyway).
The rest of this is just pointless cynicism and bickering. Any comp featuring featuring Gekirindan, Gun Frontier, G-Darius and Layer Section is AMAZING news.
And as far as this "piss and vinegar" comment goes, if gaming companies are going to put out arcade compilations, I don't see any good reason why we as gamers SHOULDN'T expect perfect ports. If these companies aren't going to do these compilations right in the first place, then they shouldn't bother doing them at all.The deal is, Dave, there is a minority (which we fall into) that can tell the difference between a crappy port and a good one. For the majority of game consumers, if it's playable it's good and they don't think twice about how true it is to the orig. Frankly, I doubt many people here have even had opportunity to play the unmamed (pun intended) original arcade games to even know the difference.dave4shmups wrote:I don't see any good reason why we as gamers SHOULDN'T expect perfect ports.
And there are people who do care about how true the games are to the originals, but don't let some minor flaw keep them from enjoying the collections. There are also people that think a game doesn't have to be 100% perfect to be good. Just becuase we like some of the recent collections doesn't make us part of the "if it's playable, it's good" camp.undamned wrote:The deal is, Dave, there is a minority (which we fall into) that can tell the difference between a crappy port and a good one. For the majority of game consumers, if it's playable it's good and they don't think twice about how true it is to the orig.dave4shmups wrote:I don't see any good reason why we as gamers SHOULDN'T expect perfect ports.
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Agreed. Honestly, the sound issues on MAT Smash TV are annoying, but you know what? It's still more true to the arcade than any other home port. It's certainly better than the SNES or Genesis versions. The MAT version should be better than it is, but it's still the one I go for because despite being imperfect it's still the best option out there outside of actually buying the arcade board.BrianC wrote:And there are people who do care about how true the games are to the originals, but don't let some minor flaw keep them from enjoying the collections. There are also people that think a game doesn't have to be 100% perfect to be good. Just becuase we like some of the recent collections doesn't make us part of the "if it's playable, it's good" camp.undamned wrote:The deal is, Dave, there is a minority (which we fall into) that can tell the difference between a crappy port and a good one. For the majority of game consumers, if it's playable it's good and they don't think twice about how true it is to the orig.dave4shmups wrote:I don't see any good reason why we as gamers SHOULDN'T expect perfect ports.
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Oh come now, as a shmup player you should be used to tracking down imports by now. Yes, it's a pain and it's expensive, but it's the cost of this hobby.dave4shmups wrote:
Dude, we don't even KNOW that those shmups will even BE ON the US release.
SHMUP sale page.Randorama wrote:ban CMoon for being a closet Jerry Falwell cockmonster/Ann Coulter fan, Nijska a bronie (ack! The horror!), and Ed Oscuro being unable to post 100-word arguments without writing 3-pages posts.
Eugenics: you know it's right!
It's called being realistic and logical. The number one reason why people get disappointed with games is the result of it not living up to the individual's unrealistic pre-conceived expectations and it not being the life-changing experience they worked themselves up to believe it would be. Then we have to have 5 topics about the same game and why it is overrated or "meh".CMoon wrote:You know, you guys are all full of piss and vinegar. If G-Darius comes out arcade perfect, your gonna be joining me in prayer that we can finally play what is already a freaking fantastic game, but without the slowdown. I can't imagine they would merely emulate the PSX port (w/ slowdown), and the arcade version of G-Darius isn't mamable to my knowledge.
SHMUP sale page.Randorama wrote:ban CMoon for being a closet Jerry Falwell cockmonster/Ann Coulter fan, Nijska a bronie (ack! The horror!), and Ed Oscuro being unable to post 100-word arguments without writing 3-pages posts.
Eugenics: you know it's right!
My comment had NOTHING to do with tracking down imports, I was merely pointing out that we don't even know WHICH shmups will be on the final US release list.8 1/2 wrote:Oh come now, as a shmup player you should be used to tracking down imports by now. Yes, it's a pain and it's expensive, but it's the cost of this hobby.dave4shmups wrote:
Dude, we don't even KNOW that those shmups will even BE ON the US release.
As for "Camps" I definitely fall into "If it plays well I can deal." Giga Wing Generations is a perfect example. There's no way I can afford the PCB right now, and while the imperfections of the home port bug me (It's an extreme example of a sloppy port) I still love the GAMEPLAY. What more matters? If the core game was broken I wouldn't touch it, but as it is I love it and I have a lot of hope for these new collections.
of course, but it would be stupid to accomodate oneself with merely good games if there are better games out there, by shying away from imports which aren´t always that expensive. It´s always better to select games (or any other object as well) by quality rather than just by region.And as far as tracking down expensive imports goes, it's a total myth that you have to devote yourself to doing so JUST to enjoy shmupping. There are LOADS of cheap, fun shmups on, for example, the NES, the Genesis, and the SNES.
Ebay is actually a good place for imports if you stick to the Japanese sellers or be very careful with the acutions. It's a myth that all imports are expensive. Some very good older ones can be found for cheap. Importing for the SNES is as easy as using some neddlenose pliers to remove two small pieces of plastic. I agree that importing isn't necessary to enjoy shmupping, but IMO, there is no good reason not to import if you have a SNES. I wish the TG-16 was as easy to mod for imports and the Genesis had more cheap shmup imports.dave4shmups wrote:My comment had NOTHING to do with tracking down imports, I was merely pointing out that we don't even know WHICH shmups will be on the final US release list.8 1/2 wrote:Oh come now, as a shmup player you should be used to tracking down imports by now. Yes, it's a pain and it's expensive, but it's the cost of this hobby.dave4shmups wrote:
Dude, we don't even KNOW that those shmups will even BE ON the US release.
As for "Camps" I definitely fall into "If it plays well I can deal." Giga Wing Generations is a perfect example. There's no way I can afford the PCB right now, and while the imperfections of the home port bug me (It's an extreme example of a sloppy port) I still love the GAMEPLAY. What more matters? If the core game was broken I wouldn't touch it, but as it is I love it and I have a lot of hope for these new collections.
And as far as tracking down expensive imports goes, it's a total myth that you have to devote yourself to doing so JUST to enjoy shmupping. There are LOADS of cheap, fun shmups on, for example, the NES, the Genesis, and the SNES.
But yeah, I think you guys are right on the port thing-if it plays well enough, then I'll definately purchase any classics compilation-I guess I just felt shafted last year when I got Midway Arcade Treasures 1 for my PS2 and found out that Smash TV had HORRIBLE slowdown, and that Spy Hunter was pretty much unplayable.
: Funny. I didn't like any of the domestic shmups on the PS2, that's why I got rid of it-I didn't get an XBOX for domestic shmups, just for some non-shmupping, next-gen gaming awesomeness. And in any case, Xyanide will most likely make it over here, and it looks better than any domestic PS1 or PS2 shmup I've played-and I've played almost all of them.UnscathedFlyingObject wrote:^
I thought you sold your PS2. Too bad for you.
You can sell your new Xbox to get it back, tho.
I wish the Genny had more cheap imports too, but those three I mentioned are really the only ones I care about, and they're pretty reasonable.BrianC wrote:Ebay is actually a good place for imports if you stick to the Japanese sellers or be very careful with the acutions. It's a myth that all imports are expensive. Some very good older ones can be found for cheap. Importing for the SNES is as easy as using some neddlenose pliers to remove two small pieces of plastic. I agree that importing isn't necessary to enjoy shmupping, but IMO, there is no good reason not to import if you have a SNES. I wish the TG-16 was as easy to mod for imports and the Genesis had more cheap shmup imports.dave4shmups wrote:My comment had NOTHING to do with tracking down imports, I was merely pointing out that we don't even know WHICH shmups will be on the final US release list.8 1/2 wrote: Oh come now, as a shmup player you should be used to tracking down imports by now. Yes, it's a pain and it's expensive, but it's the cost of this hobby.
As for "Camps" I definitely fall into "If it plays well I can deal." Giga Wing Generations is a perfect example. There's no way I can afford the PCB right now, and while the imperfections of the home port bug me (It's an extreme example of a sloppy port) I still love the GAMEPLAY. What more matters? If the core game was broken I wouldn't touch it, but as it is I love it and I have a lot of hope for these new collections.
And as far as tracking down expensive imports goes, it's a total myth that you have to devote yourself to doing so JUST to enjoy shmupping. There are LOADS of cheap, fun shmups on, for example, the NES, the Genesis, and the SNES.
But yeah, I think you guys are right on the port thing-if it plays well enough, then I'll definately purchase any classics compilation-I guess I just felt shafted last year when I got Midway Arcade Treasures 1 for my PS2 and found out that Smash TV had HORRIBLE slowdown, and that Spy Hunter was pretty much unplayable.
Leaving off any of the Arkanoid games is plain stupid though. And I was hoping Liquid Kids would be on there...
