SF4 Championship Mode

KindGrind · Post by **KindGrind** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 12:26 pm

Has anyone tried this yet? I played a couple of championships yesterday, and I like it. Not revolutionary or extremely different from the ranked/player matches themselves, but still. Seems I stumbled upon lots of really, really good people that had yet to make their way up, mostly in round 3 so that's fair.

I have never played against Guile so much though. He's quite a pain... I played as him a lot before so I know what people had to endure now... I feel for them

Not that Rog (that I play now) is easy to play against either.

Oh and people who abuse crossovers are truly the worst. I mean, I can take a few here and there, but when you rely solely only on it to win I feel it's like an exploit. I see more and more of these as I progress...

Anyways, share impressions/frustrations on the new mode.

Udderdude · Post by **Udderdude** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 3:12 pm

KindGrind wrote:Oh and people who abuse crossovers are truly the worst. I mean, I can take a few here and there, but when you rely solely only on it to win I feel it's like an exploit. I see more and more of these as I progress.

Someone needs a good dose of David Sirlin ..

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/intermediates-guide.html

jonny5 · Post by **jonny5** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 3:15 pm

i got bored with sf4 in like 2 weeks

KindGrind · Post by **KindGrind** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 4:17 pm

I'm afraid crossovers (barely jumping over a character, hitting just as you pass him so that you score an unblockable hit which you can combo from) aren't like throwing, or any other moves mentioned in the article that are "used to win". I use an effective character, who doesn't do anything pretty or fancy. I tend to win to flashy people -within my skill range- who do lots of ex cancels and long combos, only because I do what is needed to win and nothing more.

The problem is that the crossovers truly do exploit a programming ambiguity. When ALL the hits of a fight are done like this, I mean, one cannot help but feel tricked. Of course there are ways around it, but it seems the tactic is spreading more and more... Were I "better", surely I wouldn't be complaining... but I know I'm not the only one.

Ganelon · Post by **Ganelon** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 4:22 pm

You just don't know how to respond (unless you play a certain character like claw as I do). Beating crossups executed by average gamers is ridiculously easy in SFIV with certain characters (esp. shotos). That's one of the major complaints really how dumbed down crossups are.

KindGrind · Post by **KindGrind** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 4:29 pm

I guess you're probably right, I don't know how to properly deal with it yet.

brokenhalo · Post by **brokenhalo** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 6:35 pm

KindGrind wrote:I guess you're probably right, I don't know how to properly deal with it yet.

buffalo headbutt. it's got good priority and goes so far forward that you can usually get away easily. i find the main problem with cross-ups is the lag that playing online induces. i play honda and the easiest way to deal with crossups is to use a butt bomb after they cross over, but it's a small window and the tiniest bit of lag screws it all up.

Udderdude · Post by **Udderdude** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 8:45 pm

jonny5 wrote:i got bored with sf4 in like 2 weeks

You should at least unlock Dan, he's awesome

KindGrind · Post by **KindGrind** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:48 pm

brokenhalo wrote:
KindGrind wrote:I guess you're probably right, I don't know how to properly deal with it yet.
buffalo headbutt.

Well, this is generally what I do. Against charge characters, it leaves me quite open and I end up eating a roll against Blanka, for example. He crosses up, I bhb, he still manages to juggle me.

I played again today, and it's not too bad really. I'm on a roll...

Taylor · Post by **Taylor** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:14 pm

The most refreshing thing about Championship Mode is blind-select means half my matches aren't against people counter-picking Blanka. I'm fairly indifferent to the Championship Mode itself, it's just me playing games as before but the points are calculated in a more esoteric fashion.

All I really want is a player match lobby that supports multiple people...

mr_m0nks · Post by **mr_m0nks** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 10:47 am

Hey guys, any of you know a good site for beginners trying to play SFIV?

KindGrind · Post by **KindGrind** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 1:40 pm

eventhub.com is excellent.

Just curious... how many battle points do you people have in ranked matches?

Post by **Icarus** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 3:04 pm

Udderdude wrote:Someone needs a good dose of David Sirlin ..
http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/intermediates-guide.html

That was quite an interesting read. Thanks for the link.

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 5:56 pm

Don't forget to supplement the aforementioned with parts two and three, if you haven't already.

jonny5 · Post by **jonny5** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 7:35 pm

Udderdude wrote:
jonny5 wrote:i got bored with sf4 in like 2 weeks
You should at least unlock Dan, he's awesome

i actually did unlock him....just cuz i like his ultra

Jockel · Post by **Jockel** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 7:47 pm

Icarus wrote:
Udderdude wrote:Someone needs a good dose of David Sirlin ..
http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/intermediates-guide.html
That was quite an interesting read. Thanks for the link.

I thought it wasn't. While it's written in a really good way, it's basically just repeating one fact over and over.

Ganelon · Post by **Ganelon** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 8:40 pm

Most n00bs fail to grasp that one fact over and over unfortunately.

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 8:46 pm

i play to win. never works though

nash87 · Post by **nash87** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:14 pm

crossovers with lag is by far the most annoying thing second being hit by something random like the average fireball when you know you held back, but because of the lag, you weren't holding back yet, shit is stupid. the easiest way to avoid crossovers obviously differs between characters, but one thing to keep in mind is to mix up your "wake up" games. there's just so many options. tech or not tech, shoryuken or throw, ex or not ex. You've gotta mix it up otherwise ryu will crossover you and mid punch you 3x then do whatever other shit that ryu feels like doing. I'm sure this is common sense to most reading this but what else is there to do about it besides mixing up your game?

Taylor · Post by **Taylor** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:54 pm

Missing a link and eat a DP or SPD reversal is really annoying, against laggy people I have to play so dry.

Ganelon · Post by **Ganelon** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:07 pm

nash87 wrote:crossovers with lag is by far the most annoying thing second being hit by something random like the average fireball when you know you held back, but because of the lag, you weren't holding back yet, shit is stupid. the easiest way to avoid crossovers obviously differs between characters, but one thing to keep in mind is to mix up your "wake up" games. there's just so many options. tech or not tech, shoryuken or throw, ex or not ex. You've gotta mix it up otherwise ryu will crossover you and mid punch you 3x then do whatever other shit that ryu feels like doing. I'm sure this is common sense to most reading this but what else is there to do about it besides mixing up your game?

If they don't time their reversal perfectly (which is pretty difficult in and of itself, not to mention combined with the 2 wakeup times), it's an easy mashed dp. I'm not sure I should be saying anything but due to input and directional auto-correction leniency, there are well known methods of pretty much guaranteeing dps. No mixup required. And that's why it's really unsafe to pull off meaties in many cases.

mr_m0nks · Post by **mr_m0nks** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:43 pm

The best way to avoid lag is to go to an arcade

Udderdude · Post by **Udderdude** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:49 pm

mr_m0nks wrote:The best way to avoid lag is to go to an arcade

Good luck finding one with Street Fighter 4, if you aren't living in Japan.

Vincere · Post by **Vincere** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:05 pm

KindGrind wrote:eventhub.com is excellent.

Just curious... how many battle points do you people have in ranked matches?

3200BP on the way up. I don't play often in ranked matches because of the insane shitload of Sagat/Gouki/Ken around. Friendly matches are damn better variety wise.

I'm sooo looking forward to trying tournaments as soon as I get my system back (friend borrowed it)

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:17 am

Udderdude wrote:
mr_m0nks wrote:The best way to avoid lag is to go to an arcade
Good luck finding one with Street Fighter 4, if you aren't living in Japan.

london casino arcade (where mr monk is currently) has sf4 running on delta 32 cabs

but who gives a fuck about sf4 when kofXII is in the building

Taylor · Post by **Taylor** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:10 am

They have BlazBlue as well, it's really turned itself around.

mr_m0nks · Post by **mr_m0nks** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:20 am

Udderdude wrote:
mr_m0nks wrote:The best way to avoid lag is to go to an arcade
Good luck finding one with Street Fighter 4, if you aren't living in Japan.

I have the choice of two arcades within a £1 bus journey. Neither of which are in Japan (last time I checked).

there is also the other option of....

Current Gen Console + SFIV + 2pads + Friends + Beer = Much better fun than online gaming + beer induced lag.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:35 pm

This is the most recent SF thread so here have this

Udderdude · Post by **Udderdude** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 7:17 pm

Ed Oscuro wrote:This is the most recent SF thread so here have this

what

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