New company to publish Japan doujin games for sale here?

[Koa Zo]

I don't give a shit if they translate it or not. I give a shit if they're stealing fan-translation projects which take months to years of effort, from groups they've never even contacted once and they're trying to make an actual profit out of it.

Packed, this game is around 4.3 GB.

Unpacked, it's around 7.8 GB.

When the game itself is extracted from the raw .iso, it's around 500 MB.

So we roughly have around 7.3 GB of dead data.

Except when installing it to your HDD, it's 3.4 GB.

edit: I misunderstood the post above about Shooting Love to imply that he downloaded and bootleged it.
anyway,

[Gungriffon Geona]

Elixir's posts would contain more conent if the words were replaced with animal recordings sped up/slowed down to act as monster sounds. you know, the kind the 90s had lots of. then you could imagine you were playing Doom or Dink Smallwood, or watching Predator and Aliens!

[Elixir]

Packed, this game is around 4.3 GB.

Unpacked, it's around 7.8 GB.

When the game itself is extracted from the raw .iso, it's around 500 MB.

So we roughly have around 7.3 GB of dead data.

Except when installing it to your HDD, it's 3.4 GB.

edit: I misunderstood the post above about Shooting Love to imply that he downloaded and bootleged it.
anyway,

Yes, I can rip 360 games and dig around in them for the hell of it. There's no point in pirating JP 360 games when a JP 360 is required. Thi whole "dig up shit I've said and attempt to use it against me" marathon you're on doesn't seem to be going according to plan. Tell me, what does this has to do with the fact that there's somebody potentially stealing translations and using them for profit again?

Elixir's posts would contain more conent if the words were replaced with animal recordings sped up/slowed down to act as monster sounds. you know, the kind the 90s had lots of. then you could imagine you were playing Doom or Dink Smallwood, or watching Predator and Aliens!

And yet I've contributed a lot to this thread. Did you even read it?

[Twiddle]

I don't give a shit if they translate it or not. I give a shit if they're stealing fan-translation projects which take months to years of effort, from groups they've never even contacted once and they're trying to make an actual profit out of it.

You're so wap you don't recognize the post above the ones trolling you showing that they did at least obtain permission from somebody

[Elixir]

There's no proof that they didn't steal fan translations and then notify the doujin creators that they want to make an English print of their title. Suguri aside (which only mentions that there will be an English release, and doesn't go into detail), I've yet to see any proof for Platine's games (which I care about more, because they've been translated by NDT). Murasame have IP blocked their site to JP-only before, so I'm quite surprised that they would condone a localization.

But it doesn't matter, because that screenshot is taken from NDT's translation. It could just be a placeholder, but I expect to see differences between two when the time comes.

[Android1]

Elixir, hmm where to begin. Platine Dispositiff did not supply us screenshots of GUNDEMONIUM RECOLLECTION and we finally received the code. Remember these are older games, so P.Dispositif had to gather the original source code.

We needed images for GDC, so we improvised with images that will be replaced over the weekend. BTW, don't know who fan translated and we are not using it. We are working with localization company Testronic labs, do your research first.

You took it very personal are you the translator? If so my apologies, it was an emergency.

E. Galvez,
www.rockinandroid.com

[Elixir]

Elixir, hmm where to begin. Platine Dispositiff did not supply us screenshots of GUNDEMONIUM RECOLLECTION and we finally received the code. Remember these are older games, so P.Dispositif had to gather the original source code.

They are, but murasame appears to be actively releasing patches for Hitogata Happa, in 2009, even. If you modify the source, will the patches still work? Will you be releasing the game pre-patched or will the patches be optional (and included)? Or are you going to ignore them completely?

We needed images for GDC, so we improvised with images that will be replaced over the weekend. We are working with localization company Testronic labs, do your research first.

I understand the rush for GDC, but it's still unprofessional to use something that you didn't create and pass it off as your own. It's quite obvious that you thought nobody would notice.

To be honest, I haven't heard about "Testronic labs" before your mention of it. Their client portfolio just gives you a larger image under their Gaming references and I didn't find anything when searching for Gundemonium.

This sort of thing would be impossible for me to "research first". I can't find anything linking rockinandroid to "Testronic labs", and to be honest, the website looks like a placeholder website that you'd most commonly see when a site has gone defunct. What I did manage to find out was that Testronics were involved in the localization of My Horse And Me. That's fantastic.

BTW, don't know who fan translated and we are not using it.

Are you really unaware of the translation patches for Suguri and Gundemonium which both you're both localizing, when they're both been out for quite some time already? Guess time will tell, because if they are the same you're going to end up with a bad reputation.

You took it very personal are you the translator? If so my apologies, it was an emergency.

E. Galvez,
www.rockinandroid.com

Taking it personally has little to do with it. It would be better if I didn't get to see a bunch of friends have their work end up plagiarized. I did not personally make the patches for the Platine Dispositif games you're involved with, but I'm involved with the people who have and I've basically been a messenger so far. I'm also a big Platine fan, one of the few here. It raised concern within the group when we heard that you were going to be charging money for your publishings, yet there was evidence that the fan translation which had been provided by the group was used.

If they're successful releases I'll consider supporting them as well. Good luck.

[freddiebamboo]

Elixir, maybe you should just apologize for saying things like this:

I'd appreciate it if the topic creator changed the thread title to "Western site ripping off fan translations of doujin shmups".

Avoid this site.

[Ed Oscuro]

If so my apologies, it was an emergency.

I find this sentence confusing. It was an emergency...therefore..?

Anyway, not to get involved in this fight, but I will say that it's right that ripping off a translation can be srs bzns; translations are actually copyrighted (ediit: independently of the original) and shouldn't be ripped off. Then again, the way games get translated often involves some shady legal areas, and what's more if you're not setting it up with the original copyright holder, you can't expect to have copyright honored the same way as if you had translated a book into your native language from Japanese in conjunction with the author.

[Elixir]

Elixir, maybe you should just apologize for saying things like this:

No.

He claims he hasn't heard about the fan translations prior to my mentioning of them, yet he's used screenshots of them for GDC, and for their site.

Look, I'm still entitled to have my opinion. It's nice that he registered here to explain himself, but when the explanation is contradictory, it only raises more concerns.

[sfried]

You took it very personal are you the translator? If so my apologies, it was an emergency.

E. Galvez,
www.rockinandroid.com

Well, consider replacing them in your next update just to be considerate...

Also, please change that line from The World of Doujin article "can only be crafted by the Japanese mind." Honestly, have you guys heard of the UK demo scene?

[selkirk]

Most of the screenshots on the rockinandroid site seem to be from google image searches, so I wouldn't be surprised if Mr. E. Galvez really didn't know about / is not using the fan translation... even if the screenshot in question is from a page hosting said translation. In any case, it's showing some real nice professional conduct, taking an image from google and slapping a copyright notice on it, though some leeway should be given considering it was an emergency.

[Koa Zo]

it was an emergency.

[angrycoder]

Elixir, maybe you should just apologize for saying things like this:

No.

He claims he hasn't heard about the fan translations prior to my mentioning of them, yet he's used screenshots of them for GDC, and for their site.

Look, I'm still entitled to have my opinion. It's nice that he registered here to explain himself, but when the explanation is contradictory, it only raises more concerns.

You really think you are more important than you really are, don't you?

[Gungriffon Geona]

And yet I've contributed a lot to this thread. Did you even read it?

Ah, the sounds of pigs squealing, how serene.

[Elixir]

You really think you are more important than you really are, don't you?

So you think it's perfectly acceptable for a newly formed company to steal material and contradict themselves. Good to know.

it was an emergency.

This is right bullshit. No one has heard of "RockinAndroid" prior to GDC, and the only difference between them announcing their information at GDC and releasing it at, say, any other time (E3?) is people being informed earlier. But nobody would notice, right? That's some professionalism.

Various numbers of the games they're listing have already been translated. I highly doubt they've done so little research on them as to not know that there's translations made by fan groups out there. If what he said is true, welp, that's some professionalism.

[zzz999]

Honestly Elixir's posts seem to be on par with somethingawful.com posters, ie getting extremely passionate about an inane subject. I wouldn't be surprised if in his spare time he gives his money to black people out of white guilt.

[jonny5]

Honestly Elixir's posts seem to be on par with somethingawful.com posters, ie getting extremely passionate about an inane subject. I wouldn't be surprised if in his spare time he gives his money to black people out of white guilt.

wtf get your post count into double digits perhaps before you start shit talking.....i also like how you assume he is white......and just threw some apparent racism in there for that extra bit of pizzazz.....idiot

and much to my own surprise, i kinda gotta agree with Elixir on this ***gasp***

he has made a number of good points in this thread, dunno why people are picking on him.....

sure he's been a bit of a dick in the past, and he does have attitude issues, but as of late he has been actually posting content and valid comments and not just shitting on others' comments....cuz dick or not, the guy knows his shit for the most part....just sometimes the attitude can get in the way

what im seeing in this thread is him making valid points and then others making 'old Elixir-style' posts not even commenting on the topic, but just on Elixir and his opinions, even tho his opinions are right on the money IMO

personally i hope he keeps posting like he has lately.....its much better.....

i just dont wanna see people picking on him even when he is posting valid comments and then he reverts back to the Elixir of old

so ya...forgive and forget and all that

[system11]

Honestly Elixir's posts seem to be on par with somethingawful.com posters, ie getting extremely passionate about an inane subject. I wouldn't be surprised if in his spare time he gives his money to black people out of white guilt.

All five of your posts are pointless flames. Troll account is troll (etc).

[jpj]

even if it were the case, stealing something which a bunch of people gave away for free isn't something to be bothered about

[jonny5]

even if it were the case, stealing something which a bunch of people gave away for free isn't something to be bothered about

but profiting from it is

[jpj]

well hopefully the people who did the fan translations have learnt a lesson

[dmauro]

Yeah, this is kind of a weird thread. People giving Elixir shit when RockinAndroid took someone else's screenshot of someone else's translation (if I'm understanding his post) and put their own copyright watermark on it, at best simply making them seem very unprofessional. Those screenshots need to be replaced :/ The website is actually pretty nice other than that though.

[lgb]

well hopefully the people who did the fan translations have learnt a lesson

Don't make things for free.

[Udderdude]

well hopefully the people who did the fan translations have learnt a lesson

Don't make things for free.

Lesson learned, all my new games will cost $59.99.

[narutolost]

I registered just to say Elixer's posts were well written, and that I'm hoping this company won't rip off fansubs and will instead profit from actually translating games (as opposed to simply distributing them); preferably including games that haven't already been fan-translated. That's not hard since there are so many of these...

[Observer]

Ok, time to bump this because Suguri is now for sale at 20 bucks. Who's gonna get it?

http://www.rockinandroid.com/index.php? ... &Itemid=91

I'm quite tempted to...

[Elixir]

Still waiting for that developer to back himself up. I mean, he took the time to register here, didn't he?

Way to represent.

[Warp_Rattler]

Doesn't the burden of proof usually fall on the person insistently screaming foul?

[TrevHead (TVR)]

Ok, time to bump this because Suguri is now for sale at 20 bucks. Who's gonna get it?

Personally im very much looking forward to buying flying red wine barrel. The graphics style seems quite original, ive never played Gundamoinon or wotever its called due to there been the large amount of hori cute em ups released which all seem to look alike.

Does any1 have the link to that other translated doujin vendor site? i believe 1 of there games for sale is that vert cute em up where u can teleport.

About Rockin Android been black market- i would be very surprised they would of been able to operate for such a long time if they're dodgy, plus there would of been something about it elsewhere on the web.