Killzone 2 is weak

kernow · Post by **kernow** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:04 am

yeah I guess

Taylor · Post by **Taylor** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 2:18 am

I think why Killzone 2 didn't really hit home is the genre is getting tired. By measure of technical achievement the game is fantastic, but the game plays everything else as safe as possible. And they swear too much! It's not bad, though, and I'll definately keep playing it.

Also: Bioshock never worked for me, it just crashed after going down the lift no matter what I did to try and fix the problem. I also never saw a patch to fix this while I was still interested. I was going to borrow my friends 360 copy at some point, but I'm a bit disgrunted by my PC experience.

kengou wrote:Also can anyone explain why PS3 FPSes don't generally support keyboard+mouse in singleplayer? I can understand that it would make multiplayer unbalanced, but I can't think of any reason other than laziness (maybe cost) not to include the option for the singleplayer portion.

Well, single player needs balancing too, and there is a six-axis mini-game every level.

Edit: Damn this was trollish before.

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 2:28 am

Sorry guys, I take it all back. Bioshock is a total and utter piece of shit.

(Still better than Killzone 2 though.

)

No_not_like_Quake · Post by **No_not_like_Quake** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:57 am

Hopefully they add some challenge to the second one (Bioshock).

As for this game, looks ok... pretty but super generic. I think the FPS I'm most looking forward to right now is the new Wolfenstein, because I enjoyed RTCW.

Diabollokus · Post by **Diabollokus** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 2:33 pm

Add some challengeto Bioshock? I thought those big daddies were tough enough even on normal.... first one I met killed me alot on 360 version. EDIT: Halo 3 multiplayer still destroys everything!

kengou · Post by **kengou** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:35 pm

Diabollokus wrote:Add some challengeto Bioshock? I thought those big daddies were tough enough even on normal.... first one I met killed me alot on 360 version. EDIT: Halo 3 multiplayer still destroys everything!

Maybe the fact that there were no penalties for dying is what he's talking about? The only way the game challenges you is if you turn of Vita-chambers and play it on hard.

PROMETHEUS · Post by **PROMETHEUS** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:19 pm

kengou wrote:
Diabollokus wrote:Add some challengeto Bioshock? I thought those big daddies were tough enough even on normal.... first one I met killed me alot on 360 version. EDIT: Halo 3 multiplayer still destroys everything!
Maybe the fact that there were no penalties for dying is what he's talking about? The only way the game challenges you is if you turn of Vita-chambers and play it on hard.

The difficulty balance is TERRIBLE in bioshock, big daddies are nearly unplayable on Hard in the PC version. I'm a big FPS fan but Bioshock, for that reason and a few others, is the one really popular game I didn't like. I love the environment and the idea of an utopic city ruined and corrupted, but the level design, gameplay and events are really dull compared to most other games. I think that comes from the fact that it was developped for consoles first. If FPS hurt console (and I think they do, because they have nothing to do on consoles since there are no keyb/mouse and because if they were out of the market on consoles we'd have much more suitable games on them instead), consoles certainly hurt FPS as well.

Jockel · Post by **Jockel** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:25 pm

PROMETHEUS wrote:I love the environment and the idea of an utopic city ruined and corrupted, but the level design, gameplay and events are really dull compared to most other games.

Sums it up pretty nicely. :/

robthebanks · Post by **robthebanks** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:33 pm

I just don't understand the hype around Killzone 2. DID ANYONE PLAY THE FIRST ONE? It was complete shit, and all the developers had to do was release some pre-rendered cg video and people are stoked. Honestly, it blows my mind how the hype machine makes people forget. Reminds me of the Black and White 2 hype.

PROMETHEUS · Post by **PROMETHEUS** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:39 pm

PROMETHEUS wrote:I'm a big FPS fan but Bioshock, for that reason and a few others, is the one really popular game I didn't like.

Actually that's not true, there are quite a number of other really popular FPSs I don't like at all, such as Halo 3 or Call of Duty 4, but whatever. ^^

kernow · Post by **kernow** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:50 pm

robthebanks wrote:I just don't understand the hype around Killzone 2. DID ANYONE PLAY THE FIRST ONE? It was complete shit

Did anyone play the first street fighter?

I don't see how a previous games' quality reflect on a sequels

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:15 pm

Ever heard the sayings "The apple doesn't fall far from the tree" and "Those who do not learn from history, are doomed to repeat it"?

kernow · Post by **kernow** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:21 pm

No_not_like_Quake · Post by **No_not_like_Quake** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:42 pm

kengou wrote:
Diabollokus wrote:Add some challengeto Bioshock? I thought those big daddies were tough enough even on normal.... first one I met killed me alot on 360 version. EDIT: Halo 3 multiplayer still destroys everything!
Maybe the fact that there were no penalties for dying is what he's talking about? The only way the game challenges you is if you turn of Vita-chambers and play it on hard.

Yeah, that's what I meant... perhaps I could play it on hard mode with Vita-chambers turned off but frankly, after awhile the game gets dull IMO.

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:32 pm

robthebanks wrote: DID ANYONE PLAY THE FIRST ONE? It was complete shit

Agreed.

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:00 am

I've only really played through Metroid Prime 3, Bioshock, Halo 3 and Kill Zone 2 FPS wise recently.

I should give COD4 a try but the present day war setting doesn't get me excited at all.

All the others had a sci fi thing going on that could lure me in.

I didn't think the game play in Bioshock was all that awful... but then again it was more of an adventure game that happened to be first person to me. I don't really play a FPS to get head shots.... that sounds odd I guess, it has to have a world I get sucked into or visuals and set pieces to die for.

Put it this way, If it's a FPS and looks like total crap but plays great, I still won't care a thing about it. I don't like FPS that much as a genre but I do find myself interested in a few selected ones. I thought L4D was crappy, looked lackluster, no story, no interesting set pieces, and very repetitive. I got bored and unmotivated to beat it even in multiplayer.... same enemies to. But FPS game play mechanics don't make me bounce off walls.... the whole package can though.

Gungriffon Geona · Post by **Gungriffon Geona** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 9:04 am

I'm under the stark impression this is just whiney babbies angry at FPS games in general. Killzone 2 is pretty ace, shitty plotlines aside. I also quite like the enemy designs, if only because it's like you're facing thousands of madmen Cerberus armors in what actually feels like a warzone. Also fun times just looking around to see if you can find cool shit in the levels. (which sadly there's too many mentally challenged folks DETERMINED to just run through at top speed without exploring so they can say something is linear.)

seriously, it's brown n shit, but it's not nearly as uninspired or empty as people are trying to claim. :O

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:37 am

Gungriffon Geona wrote:I'm under the stark impression this is just whiney babbies angry at FPS games in general.

I like FPS games.

Killzone 2 is pretty ace

Campaign is so dull though.

I also quite like the enemy designs, if only because it's like you're facing thousands of madmen Cerberus armors in what actually feels like a warzone.

Theft:

Gungriffon Geona · Post by **Gungriffon Geona** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:50 am

Skykid wrote:Theft

inherently german design ideas from a generic panzer cop armor isn't really theft, now is it? The designers admit as much to say they hadn't seen the Cerberus armor when working on the first Killzone, it's just german soldier stuff in general they looked at. :O

besides, the two pictures look nothing alike aside from being bulky and glowy eyes. take a hard look at both and tell me what ACTUAL similarity there is.

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:09 am

Gungriffon Geona wrote: besides, the two pictures look nothing alike aside from being bulky and glowy eyes. take a hard look at both and tell me what ACTUAL similarity there is.

PROMETHEUS · Post by **PROMETHEUS** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:12 am

Of course they're bloody similar but I see nothing wrong with taking ideas from other sources, as long as they fit into a new, original concept or atmosphere. Which might not be the case for Killzone 2 if it's so dull.

kernow · Post by **kernow** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:56 am

If people didn't take ideas from other sources we wouldn't have anything.

OMG SF2 HAS BRUCE LEE IN !! THHEFFFTT

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 2:15 pm

I keep forgetting how easy it is to mis-interpret tone with the written word.

Of course it's perfectly normal to draw influence and inspiration from other works - without this practice some of the best games/movies/books/ etc wouldn't get made.

I just put 'theft' + images as a quick way of illustrating where the Helghast designs appear to have come from.

Kern, you need to relax man.

but I see nothing wrong with taking ideas from other sources, as long as they fit into a new, original concept or atmosphere. Which might not be the case for Killzone 2 if it's so dull.

That's the biggest problem with K2 - the designs are so damn cool, you just wish it had been handled by a developer with a strong creative team beyond the art dept.

Jockel · Post by **Jockel** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 2:24 pm

Strider77 wrote:I've only really played through Metroid Prime 3, Bioshock, Halo 3 and Kill Zone 2 FPS wise recently.

I should give COD4 a try but the present day war setting doesn't get me excited at all.

I think CoD4 outshines Halo 3 pretty easily.
Played Halo 3 for a few hours and didn't have any fun at all.
How this game got all this 10/10 hype reviews is absolutely beyond me.

Diabollokus · Post by **Diabollokus** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 3:43 pm

Jockel Wrote:

I think CoD4 outshines Halo 3 pretty easily.
Played Halo 3 for a few hours and didn't have any fun at all.
How this game got all this 10/10 hype reviews is absolutely beyond me.

Care to elaborate? I would give Halo 3 10/10 any day of the week even 1 year after release its still the best multiplayer experience on the system. Come play online with me in Halo 3 sometime, and I'll show you why.

kengou · Post by **kengou** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 3:48 pm

Gungriffon Geona wrote:I'm under the stark impression this is just whiney babbies angry at FPS games in general. Killzone 2 is pretty ace, shitty plotlines aside. I also quite like the enemy designs, if only because it's like you're facing thousands of madmen Cerberus armors in what actually feels like a warzone. Also fun times just looking around to see if you can find cool shit in the levels. (which sadly there's too many mentally challenged folks DETERMINED to just run through at top speed without exploring so they can say something is linear.)

seriously, it's brown n shit, but it's not nearly as uninspired or empty as people are trying to claim. :O

I love FPSes, it's probably the main genre I play next to shmups. I just hate console FPSes. They're fudging up the whole genre. Seriously, the whole thing started going downhill the first time an FPS was made for a console and ported to the PC (was it the first Halo?). The very concept is ridiculous. Now every FPS is trying to appeal to the console audience by being dumbed down, grey-looking pieces of crap with cover systems, burly space marines (yeah I know Doom did it first but it was not nearly as prevalent in FPS games until the last couple years), and crappy controls. We're even seeing the same thing start to happen to RTSes now!

Leave console games on consoles and leave PC games on the PC and we'll see much better quality of both.

PROMETHEUS · Post by **PROMETHEUS** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 3:53 pm

Diabollokus wrote:Jockel Wrote:

I think CoD4 outshines Halo 3 pretty easily.
Played Halo 3 for a few hours and didn't have any fun at all.
How this game got all this 10/10 hype reviews is absolutely beyond me.
Care to elaborate? I would give Halo 3 10/10 any day of the week even 1 year after release its still the best multiplayer experience on the system. Come play online with me in Halo 3 sometime, and I'll show you why.

Well one thing is sure, Halo 3 multiplayer is utter crap compared to what's been standing as the best multiplayer FPS on PC for 10 years and more (Quake 2, Quake 3, Unreal Tournament or Counter Strike). The gameplay is just an inferior copy of quake + unreal with terrible controls.

Now I haven't really tried the singleplayer and it might be good, although I wouldn't bother with it unless it can be played with a keyboard and mouse somehow. Otherwise the action just can't be enjoyed on the same level, even for single player.

Jockel · Post by **Jockel** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 3:58 pm

Diabollokus wrote:Jockel Wrote:

I think CoD4 outshines Halo 3 pretty easily.
Played Halo 3 for a few hours and didn't have any fun at all.
How this game got all this 10/10 hype reviews is absolutely beyond me.
Care to elaborate? I would give Halo 3 10/10 any day of the week even 1 year after release its still the best multiplayer experience on the system. Come play online with me in Halo 3 sometime, and I'll show you why.

Hm it's hard to point out.
I find the leveldesign to be confusing, the graphics are sub-par (not that i would care, but i expected "teh_uber_godgaem!!1"), firing the weapons isn't very satisfying, the physics are moon-like... I dunno. I played it and just didn't care. There was no incredible atmosphere that would draw me in like bioshock and help me tolerating the games flaws.
Can you comment on that stuff? Perhaps i'm just missing a thing or two.

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 3:59 pm

i haven't played an FPS since quake 1

which is also the last time i bought a pc game

Diabollokus · Post by **Diabollokus** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 4:03 pm

Prometheus wrote:

Well one thing is sure, Halo 3 multiplayer is utter crap compared to what's been standing as the best multiplayer FPS on PC for 10 years and more (Quake 2, Quake 3, Unreal Tournament or Counter Strike). The gameplay is just an inferior copy of quake + unreal with terrible controls.

Well I'm quite happy to agree Quake 3 etc is superior but, the thing with Halo 3 is how the game is played. Stick to the MLG playlist and you will appreciate the game much more i.e. balanced spawns and BR starts for fairness + the shield system gives you a fighting chance when people get the first shot. I complain all the time in ordinary matchmaking about using the assault rifle and bad spawns.

As for the controls? I play on bumper jumper button layout, no vibration and sensitivity 4, with toggle crouch. It fixes alot of the problems I had with default button layout.

My only problem with the campaign is the enemy design, I just don't like comical enemies. I'm not debating console vs PC in FPS, PC will always win, just don't write a game off when your not playing it the 'right way'.

Jockel wrote:

Hm it's hard to point out.
I find the leveldesign to be confusing, the graphics are sub-par (not that i would care, but i expected "teh_uber_godgaem!!1"), firing the weapons isn't very satisfying, the physics are moon-like... I dunno. I played it and just didn't care. There was no incredible atmosphere that would draw me in like bioshock and help me tolerating the games flaws.
Can you comment on that stuff? Perhaps i'm just missing a thing or two.

I get the feeling you played campaign and weren't impressed, thats fair enough. Matchmaking graphics can't compete with COD, campaigns are excellent in HD though. Bioshock is Bioshock, Halo 3 is a sequel in a cashcow series, its mostly been done before so its unlikely to draw you in as much or seem original. Physics wise, yeah the chief can jump pretty far but thats a big tactical thing online, the actual physics engine is fantastic just check out theatre mode, sniper bullet rebounds, vehicle splatters etc.

Weapon wise, as I said before I really hate assault rifles, but I find the BR and sniper rifles quite satisfying, I prefer as little recoil as possible from a game gun. Admittedly theres about 5 or 6 weps I'd like to ban, but I'm defending Halo 3 from an online matchmaking perspective I'm entering LAN tournaments now so you can imagine I like it alot!

Back on topic: I'll buy Killzone 2 whenever I buy a PS3 to play MGS4.