Tendono-elitritis caused by punching injuries on both hands

ST Dragon · Post by **ST Dragon** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:33 pm

So, what are the best exercises one can do to strengthen the hands & wrists and fully recover from tendono-elitritis (Caused by punching injuries) on both hands/wrists?
So far, I have taken the following medications and physiotherapy for months, with little to no effect:

A) Electro-muscle/nerve graph twice (x2) (Nerves are fine and no sign of carpal syndrome)

B) X-Rays (No sign of arthritis)

C) Anti-inflammatory Medicine / pills:
1. Naprosyn / Naproxen (15days) (No Effect)
2. Arcoxia / Etoricoxib, MSD 90mg (15days) (No Effect)
3. Biofenac / Aceclofenac (30days) (No Effect)
4. XefoRapic / Iornoxicam (15days (No Effect)
5. Arcoxia / Etoricoxib, MSD 120mg (15days) (Helped 35-40% with the symptoms, but it could have been simply because of natural healing after such a long time which had passed from the initial injury that triggered this problem)

D) Physiotherapy (No laser) and special exercises instructed by the physiotherapist. (Helped and eased the symptoms a bit, but it seems that it acted more as a painkiller rather than an actual cure)

These irritations have been going on for 1.5 year now at a lesser or greater degree, but have been healing slowly and I am better now. However, my hands still get sore and feel an irritating pinch sensation every now and then, all over my hands.

As a result, I’ve stopped playing shooters fully for almost a year to help with the recovering procedure. I still type and use the mouse & keyboard and both hands are as strong as they used to be.

All 5 orthopedic doctors that examined me, ruled out surgery, so what are my other options to fully recover?

Any advice will be highly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.

mr_m0nks · Post by **mr_m0nks** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 7:48 pm

how about stop punching things so hard that it causes injury??

How were the injuries caused, martial arts or a lively local pub??

ST Dragon · Post by **ST Dragon** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 8:03 pm

mr_m0nks wrote:how about stop punching things so hard that it causes injury??

Well, obviously I stopped punching and never tried it again!
I also play water polo which seems to exert some pressure on my sore wrists (When I shoot the ball), but the doctor said that I should continue as normal.

How were the injuries caused, martial arts or a lively local pub??

Well, some sort of the latter... a very frustrating & angry moment indeed!

Someone else proposed:

Have you tried a chiropractor? While chiropractors are commonly known as specialists in the spine, my chiropractor has assisted me in various sports injuries and has provided me with various exercises to assist in strengthening specific muscles to re-center and realign all bones and muscles.

I've never heard of this specialty?
Is this a doctor / physician?
I checked the list of all the doctors in my city, but this specific specialty is not even listed...

And this "Powerball", for rehabilatition...
http://www.powerballs.com/rehab.php?m=Benefits
I have no idea of how effective this is...?

jonny5 · Post by **jonny5** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 8:28 pm

shiatsu.....all you will ever need

Diabollokus · Post by **Diabollokus** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:37 pm

When I first saw this I thought 'Hey a fellow martial arts guy' then noticed your pain is a wee bit more complicated, I know a few guys who had calcium deposits on joints but that was years of abuse. Has anyone suggested accupuncture? never tried it myself but, my friend swears by it for pain relieve. I have a similar thing with tendons in my upper back, stretching in a door frame helps it alot.

ST Dragon · Post by **ST Dragon** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:53 pm

So, apart from doctors, medicine & physiotherapy which had utterly no effect, it’s down to the following options:

Gell Stress Balls
http://www.nextag.com/gel-stress-ball/compare-html

Chinese Exercise Balls
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkwz0YvC3g4

Shiatsu
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiatsu

Powerball
http://www.nsdpowerballs.com/
http://www.powerballs.com/rehab.php?m=Benefits

Chiropractors
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiropractic

While chiropractors are commonly known as specialists in the spine,
my chiropractor has assisted me in various sports injuries and has provided me with various exercises to
assist in strengthening specific muscles to re-center and realign all bones and muscles.

Acupuncture
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acupuncture

Any more opinions will be highly appreciated.

BryanM · Post by **BryanM** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:01 pm

Screw that, work off that soft useless flesh. Turn your broken, useless hands into broken, useless iron claws.

ED-057 · Post by **ED-057** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:44 am

I was going to research this tendono-elitritis so I could give informed, helpful advice. But when I googled, the results were all copies of your post on forums other than this one.

ST Dragon · Post by **ST Dragon** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:46 pm

Its full name (as the doctor called it) is: Elitritis of the Flexor Tendons (From Greek) which as I understand it, its correlated to tendonitis.
Roughly he said that “elitra” are the tubes where the hand tendons pass through and that the punching injury caused inflammation on the elitra & tendons, thus the irritation, soreness, & pinching sensation on my hands.
I searched the web too, but as the terminology is in Greek, I’m not sure whether that’s the exact English translation. Thus I was not able to find any more valid info either.

Another doctor told me that it's tendonitis.
My guess is that tendonitis & elitritis have similar symptoms and would be treated similarly.

The problem is that I'm not sure what other type of treatments I should try now?

Thanks in advance.

ST Dragon · Post by **ST Dragon** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:33 pm

I also used Vitamin E for some time, 3 times a day (Small sphere oil based capsules), with no effect.

I might try Vit C, Vit A & D now…

I also read about the healing properties of this plant, Arnica:
http://www.arnica.com/?cat=4
http://www.arnica.com/?p=95

Sounds interesting, but is it sold in pharmacy stores and how do you use it since it’s a plant (Externally & Internally)?
It says here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnica

Arnica should not be taken internally due to its toxicity, with the possible exception of homeopathic preparations that are diluted until none of the chemicals from the plant remain.

So is it easy to prepare, or have a pharmacist do it instead?

Post by **system11** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 5:41 pm

I've had tendonitis problems on and off for the best part of 8 years.

Don't get your hopes up, be prepared to lose the hobbies you love for extended periods at a time, and also be prepared for relapses after the slightest bit of unusual abuse (4 months ago again for me, working on the car, bam - it's back).

The only real relief for the symptoms is to not do whatever it is that aggravates them, depending on your line of work that mean having to take time off.

And people wonder why I'm so fucking downbeat most of the time.

ST Dragon · Post by **ST Dragon** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 10:06 pm

What kinds of symptoms do you have? Pain, irritation, soreness, stiffness, pinching sensation...?

Post by **system11** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 10:33 pm

ST Dragon wrote:What kinds of symptoms do you do you have? Pain, irritation, soreness, stiffness, pinching sensation...?

All of the above, plus inflamed/tender forearm muscles just below the elbow.

ST Dragon · Post by **ST Dragon** » Sun Mar 15, 2009 10:16 pm

Exactly how was your injury caused and what kinds of healing methods did you try so far that had ultimately no effect?

Some people suggested acupuncture and that Powerball as the best means to deal with this type of problem...

Thanks in advance

captpain · Post by **captpain** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:34 am

This thread is unintentionally very funny.

Post by **system11** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:24 am

ST Dragon wrote:Exactly how was your injury caused and what kinds of healing methods did you try so far that had ultimately no effect?

Some people suggested acupuncture and that Powerball as the best means to deal with this type of problem...

Thanks in advance

Doing a day job with computers, then doing overtime, and programming as a hobby. They've never fully healed and never will. I've tried laser therapy, some kind of sound therapy, muscle relaxant pills, painkillers,physiotherapy (8 months while off work the first time), anti inflammatories, stretching exercises, changing my diet, doing different types of exercise, and finally alcohol.

In terms of success only two things have really made a difference. One was actually alcohol, because at least you don't notice it for a bit and stop being so miserable about it - the other was simply not doing whatever caused it. The astute reader will work out that this means not going to work, not playing videogames, and pretty much staring at a television set, wondering when the 12 cable film channels will show something you haven't seen yet, and wondering when it'll get bad enough that your career has to end.

captpain wrote:This thread is unintentionally very funny.

Yeah. Funny like cancer. Fuck off.

captpain · Post by **captpain** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:33 am

bloodflowers wrote:
captpain wrote:This thread is unintentionally very funny.
Yeah. Funny like cancer. Fuck off.

You're not very bright, are you?

Post by **system11** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:15 am

captpain wrote:
bloodflowers wrote:
captpain wrote:This thread is unintentionally very funny.
Yeah. Funny like cancer. Fuck off.
You're not very bright, are you?

Likewise. I don't have a sense of humour when it comes to a condition that destroys peoples hobbies, or worse their careers. I'm glad that you can find some humour there - tell me, was it the old and so terribly hilarious masturbation style joke that I've heard a good few hundred times now, or some other form of laughing at others misfortune?

It's almost as funny as me firewalling you off from the forum for a week.

Oh no, wait - it's not nearly as funny as that.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:19 am

ST Dragon wrote:A) Electro-muscle/nerve graph twice (x2) (Nerves are fine and no sign of carpal syndrome)

These are really expensive. Think like $700 for sitting there and getting poked with a needle a number of times.

I also found out nothing had happened to my nerves. Actually, that's a good thing, but I hate wasting money.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:16 pm

bloodflowers wrote:It's almost as funny as me firewalling you off from the forum for a week.

Oh no, wait - it's not nearly as funny as that.

owned

Ex-Cyber · Post by **Ex-Cyber** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:41 pm

ST Dragon wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnica
Arnica should not be taken internally due to its toxicity, with the possible exception of homeopathic preparations that are diluted until none of the chemicals from the plant remain.
So is it easy to prepare, or have a pharmacist do it instead?

Don't do it at all, because it's a complete waste of your time and/or money. So-called "homeopathic preparations" are just placebos. The whole concept predates modern chemistry and is basically mystical crap about the "vital force" contained in various substances.

PC Engine Fan X! · Post by **PC Engine Fan X!** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:57 pm

I recall one time of rounding up some shopping carts many moons ago and putting them back in their respective holding spot when suddenly, a rapid vice-like pain seemed to appear on my wrists. The pain was very intense but then slowly went away. It felt like a vice was tightening on my wrists -- that type of pain was very unusual for it to appear so suddenly like that. I'd have to assume that I probably pushed too many shopping carts in that particular situation and my wrists responded the way they did with pain. So for some folks, it's just plain common sense to not apply too much stress on the hands/wrists, otherwise the tactile sensation known as pain could be the end result.

So captpain, any kind of pain experienced on the fingers and/or wrists ain't no laughing matter. A former co-worker of mine had to wear a special wrist brace because he said his hands and wrists hurt from all those years as an utility clerk working in the retail business industry. Go figure...all that wear 'n' on the hands/wrists over the years can take it's toll. Granted if it does get worse, guess it's time to call it quits for good.

You only have one pair of hands, treat them with kindness and respect and they should last you a lifetime. ^_~

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

TigerCraneFist · Post by **TigerCraneFist** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:05 pm

In my own discipline, we train and heavily condition the hands, forearms, knuckles and tendons.... without the proper use of herbs, liniments and poultices the practitioner will inevitably suffer from the ailments you mention in addition to disfigurement which pretty much defies the whole purpose of the training.

My suggestion would be to try the use of Dit Da Jow (which essentially means Iron Hit/Fall Wine) There are many recipes available to the public, however the best recipes are safely guarded secrets to the individual school. The Dit Da jow can be heated up over a low flame and mixed with some other powders to create thick plasters that are used to wrap and soak injuries.

Im not going to argue the usefulness of the medicine with anyone and least of all anyone who has never used it. I am a professional illustrator so the use and health of my hands is paramount to my job.... in the 15 years I have been using the medicine and training my hands daily I have never experienced any lasting pain or disfigurement in my elbows, wrists, hands or knuckles.

Of course, modern medicine in some cases is the equivalent of Dot Da jow ... so it is recommended to augment the use of herbal remedies with more modern medicines such as Glucosamine Choindroiten with MSM which is specifically for joint/bone/tendon health.

Of course daily stretching of the wrists to keep the tendons loose and supple is a good idea. Im sure that you could find some useful tips on youtube or other various websites.

If you decide to try the Dit Da Jow, feel free to PM me for more information or recommendations... it is extremely important to note however that there are some highly toxic items in the wine (which is a combination of anywhere from 10-20 different herbs and items... depending on where you buy it)... therefore the medicine should never be taken internally or applied to any area of the skin where there are cuts or open wounds. The smell is awfully strong, but you will probably learn to like it as I did.

hope that helps.

Post by **system11** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:28 pm

I'd say be careful on the stretching - if you actually have tendon damage it can just make the inflammation worse, as I found.

TigerCraneFist · Post by **TigerCraneFist** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:05 pm

good point.

I mention stretching from my own standpoint having had no issues with tendonitis or otherwise... my wife however is a professional violinist and does have tendonitis and when her hands are having problems... mobility, let alone stretching seems very painful for her.... saying nothing of the swelling she endures in her knuckles and fingers. It's really quite sad.

Then again, keeping the joints and tendons lubricated and in motion, even if that motion is limited... is better then allowing them to become too sedentary which can result in stagnation of blood which is why one might see some bruising on the tops of the knuckles and meta carpels. The simple act of keeping fresh blood circulating can do wonders for the healing process in conjunction with other routines of medication.

captpain · Post by **captpain** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:59 am

bloodflowers wrote:
captpain wrote:
bloodflowers wrote: Yeah. Funny like cancer. Fuck off.
You're not very bright, are you?
Likewise. I don't have a sense of humour when it comes to a condition that destroys peoples hobbies, or worse their careers. I'm glad that you can find some humour there - tell me, was it the old and so terribly hilarious masturbation style joke that I've heard a good few hundred times now, or some other form of laughing at others misfortune?

It's almost as funny as me firewalling you off from the forum for a week.

Oh no, wait - it's not nearly as funny as that.

What the fuck is wrong with you? I'm a classical musician, hand injuries are about the least funny thing to me possible, and they're something I work to avoid every day (both straight up injury and repetitive stress). Instead of giving me a chance to explain myself, you outright ban me from the forums? Fuck you. I found it funny that someone would ask advice for an injury gained by punching on a forum devoted to notoriously nerdy video games. It's a total non-sequitur and that's funny. But thanks for banning me so that I couldn't see why or explain myself, well done, you're certainly fit for your position. I'm not such an idiot that I would go "LOL hand injury!! Masturbation LOL!!!", but thanks for your completely cool and rational behavior.

Post by **system11** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 2:02 pm

Try explaining what you mean next time instead of trying to be clever? That was the part where you could have explained it and everyone would have been happy.

Allow me to illustrate:
"Ha ha, this person didn't get my obscure personal joke, I think I'll call them stupid"
"Ha ha, this person didn't get my obscure personal joke, I think I'll explain it"

One of these options leads to understanding, and not initially looking like an asshole. The other leads to the server's routing table. I'm glad we could establish which is which.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 2:51 pm

I will throw a curve ball in here w/o absolutely proof or anything to back me up. I have a TENS device I use on my back and knee on occasion. If my house was burning down, I would probably run in to get it. Might be hard for fingers, but on the wrist, it could give you some love.

ST Dragon · Post by **ST Dragon** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:37 pm

GaijinPunch wrote:I will throw a curve ball in here w/o absolutely proof or anything to back me up. I have a TENS device I use on my back and knee on occasion. If my house was burning down, I would probably run in to get it. Might be hard for fingers, but on the wrist, it could give you some love.

Interesting, what is this "TENS" device and how do you use it? Any links will be appreciated, thanks!

ST Dragon · Post by **ST Dragon** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:56 pm

captpain wrote:
bloodflowers wrote:
captpain wrote: You're not very bright, are you?
Likewise. I don't have a sense of humour when it comes to a condition that destroys peoples hobbies, or worse their careers. I'm glad that you can find some humour there - tell me, was it the old and so terribly hilarious masturbation style joke that I've heard a good few hundred times now, or some other form of laughing at others misfortune?

It's almost as funny as me firewalling you off from the forum for a week.

Oh no, wait - it's not nearly as funny as that.
What the fuck is wrong with you? I'm a classical musician, hand injuries are about the least funny thing to me possible, and they're something I work to avoid every day (both straight up injury and repetitive stress). Instead of giving me a chance to explain myself, you outright ban me from the forums? Fuck you. I found it funny that someone would ask advice for an injury gained by punching on a forum devoted to notoriously nerdy video games. It's a total non-sequitur and that's funny. But thanks for banning me so that I couldn't see why or explain myself, well done, you're certainly fit for your position. I'm not such an idiot that I would go "LOL hand injury!! Masturbation LOL!!!", but thanks for your completely cool and rational behavior.

Actually I was the one requesting for advice and its not totally illogical searching for it here, a forum filled with people using their hands intensively for playing Shmups. Some one else could have faced a similar problem and dealt with it one way or the other.
After all, I did exhaust most other types of medical treatment 1st.

Seeing as how serious & disappointed bloodflowers was with his similar problem and especially since you value your hands’ health so much as you say (musician), you made a very poor choice of words in my opinion.

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