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KindGrind wrote:Is there a way to play a USB stick like an HRAP3 on an AES? Maybe an adapter or something? Not too good at making cables here... :wink:
By that statement your already on the long road to re-mortgaging your parents house.

The fact is, the people charging high amounts for AES games are just trying to recoup their losses by passing the buck. Since they are AES games they probably didn't play them in the first place and keeping massive VHS style boxes on a shelf doesn't seem a wise investment anymore.

Do you know if you buy MS1 on the AES for $1500 or whatever it goes for that if you insert the cartridge into your AES and it scratches it, you've lost about $500 of your investment?

Just because you go MVS doesn't mean it can't be a nice colourful world either. This is just some of my stuff -

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At least 2 of those games are MVS only. If i'm not mistaken (haven't checked in a while) they aren't cheap even in MVS form. A strikers kit will probably fetch $200+, in fact all of them probably would. Especially since I have all the large marquee's for the MS's as well :wink:
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neorichie speaks truth; I've only played some already-used games on my Neo and I'd be scared to plug in that Sam Shodown IV (I wonder if Buttasuperb even played it, or any previous owner for that matter).

Although it's worth mentioning that people will apparently pay insane amounts for full MVS kits with matching serials, and I guess there's some scratching potential there (if only on the connector pins; it's not as tight a slot as the AES right?)
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All my kits are used previously. I'm the sort of person that doesn't mind throwing the box on the floor but I do mind if someone steps on it.

The MVS-1C is pretty tight, the fact that it weighs next to nothing doesn't help either. It is the smallest, most lightweight 1 slot available though. Its not always the wisest choice of motherboard though, since audio volume is a screw (not a slider like other MB's) and the C doesn't have joystick ports on it either.

The most expensive kit I paid for was probably Metal slug 3 at $220USD. Was a few years ago though. Since I have no intention of ever selling i'd unlikely ever look to see what they go for.

If you had an AES and MVS system and you had to buy the AES version of X game, I would personally just get an MVS copy and play that instead. The youngest AES game now is about 4 years old right? With the oldest being almost 20 years old. I don't think I would invest all that moolah on something your not allowed to breathe on.
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I hear the 6-slot MVS isn't a wise choice either, with some apparent reliability issues. Might not be a problem if you kept all your favorites plugged in (to reduce wear and tear) and turned the thing off when not in use.
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6 slots use up alot of power. I remember back in the day someone wanted a cab with 8 x 6 slot configuration, using one button to choose which 6 slot, then another button to choose a game on that 6 slot. The set up would have allowed 48 MVS carts to be accessible on the same machine.

To have all 8 6 slots powered up at the same time required some gargantuan transformer to power the thing. I didn't see if the project got completed or not. I just put the guy in the category of mentally insane.
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2 slot's are easy to consolize, and don't have to look like they should be hidden in a cab.... unless you have odd korean carts like me..


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i think there's a bit of exageration going on regarding the condition, and if a cart is marked and so and so on. to give you some idea: i bought my MS1 for £700. about 18 months later when i sold it, i got £800 back for it. and i played the shit out of that game. like i did with all my games. overall, across the board, i got about 90% back (which i consider to be very fair) on what i'd paid for most games, which is better than you'd fare with £700 worth of 360 games, as an example. all i can really say is that it's just down to how much you play it, ultimately.

i've chatted this with markedkiller last month, but a friend of mine is now getting into AES, but for the wrong reasons i think. he just seems to want anyone and everyone to know he loves retro, but the games he's buying are wank, and i think even *i* am starting to get sick of the phrase "...original cartridge..."!!

off topic: that bloke is a fucking legend though. during the floods of 2007, he said the worst thing about it was having to talk to his wife. and a few weeks back, he was buying some gamecube stuff for his seven year old son, and clear as day said "that'll keep you quiet for a while wont it ... while i fuck your mum" :shock: :!:

and ed, don't be daft, plug that sam sho 4 in (great game as well) :)
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neorichieb1971 wrote: The MVS-1C is pretty tight, the fact that it weighs next to nothing doesn't help either. It is the smallest, most lightweight 1 slot available though.
No, that would be the MV-1B actually.
If you had an AES and MVS system and you had to buy the AES version of X game, I would personally just get an MVS copy and play that instead. The youngest AES game now is about 4 years old right? With the oldest being almost 20 years old. I don't think I would invest all that moolah on something your not allowed to breathe on.
A lot of people play their homecart systems too, you must remember the 'near 20yr old' games are only worth around $50 mostly. I had metal slugs on homecart and I played them, as well as other rare carts. They are games after all. If I cared about 'investments' I would have bought shares or something, not computer games.
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jpj wrote:and ed, don't be daft, plug that sam sho 4 in (great game as well) :)
I'd get a better experience with MAME though, that's the thing. Mah Neo needs modded.

Also, I haven't been much of a fan of fighters for years now, but maybe someday.

This thread reminds me that I wanted to get...

MS1 (yeah...)
MS3 (more affordable certainly)
Miracle Adventure or Spinmaster & Top Hunter
Last Blade 2
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i really should've taken a pic of my bookcase with two shelves of glossy japanese AES games, and then show you a pic of my toaster four-slot, and the bare MVS carts which have been battered to fuck over the years. i got a prehistoric isle 2, which distinctly looks like it came outta china, and a pulstar, which is original, but now lives inside a fatal fury cart (got damaged in transit). there's a guy called yaton on ebay who ships MVS carts in tampon boxes. the carts themselves tend to look like they've been moonlighting as ashtrays

MVS and AES are basically the same thing. unless you have a proper cabinet though, MVS is always pretty ghetto

(what games have you got ed?)
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the cabs save it :)
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:? :x :D

I don't have any of those homecarts anymore, selling them funded another cab
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why is DOJ slightly off-centre?
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i don't get it :oops: is it supposed to represent OCD (with good geometry)? :oops:
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haha

OCD often results in people washing their hands 50 times a day to remove the gerrmmms

anyway I think we've derailed this thread far enough

end result = get a neo, mvs or ngh, it doesn't matter, both are awesome.
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Bottom line:

Get a Neo Geo CDZ!
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ew no, MVS and supergun. CDZ is unreliable and not worth the money over a top loading CDZ, overheats often.

CD is just not worth it nowadays apart from a kitsch item.

If you're on a budget , ports or supergun+mvs.

Sure, you can go for a consolized MVS, but thats basically building a supergun into an mvs board, why bother? if you have a cheap supergun connected to an MVS board, at least you can play other JAMMA games too.

stay FAR away from the CDZ if you only plan on having one SNK system.
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I wasn't being entirely serious.

However, if you are a real SNK fan and possibly also a collector you need a CD (preferably CDZ cuz of the shorter loading), because of the exclusive CD games, the arranged sound, and the occasional extra content.

If you go the MVS route, you should make sure to install a unibios in order to access all the options of the AES versions.

Also: Now is a great time to get a Hyper Neo Geo 64, as they're being dumped out in the UK. The system has some kick ass games.

Lastly, you also need a Neo Geo Pocket Color (get the rare slim edition if you're stylish).

Yes, the world of SNK is vast and beautiful. :)



EDIT: I've had two CD toploaders crap out on me, yet my CDZ is still running without problems. Dunno where you get the idea they're unreliable.
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They are well known for overheating, maybe you've been lucky, plus they add little to no loading speed advantage over a normal toploader as they don't have a double speed drive as many think they do, only twice the amount of disc cache.

CD is good, for the exclusives for sure but only as a second system.
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Where exactly is this propensity for the CDZ overheating detailed? Or do you have personal experience? I've asked many people that question (who've always heard it from someone else) and nobody has an answer. I've searched JP sites. Nothing. I've searched Neo-Geo.com. The same 2 people pop up in all the pertinent topics to list their specific cases.

Now, I don't doubt that overheating is a possibility but I just want proof. Otherwise, people will keep on ignorantly believing the CDZ had a 2x CD-ROM drive and the FM Towns Marty 2 has a 486MHz processor as online English-writing folks did for years because some idiot first made that claim. I have a CDZ and I've never seen anything strange happen to it. Besides, all models of the NGCD are at all-time lows. I remember seeing a CDZ for $150 shipped on eBay a year ago.

Also, the speed advantage depends on the game. On certain later games, timed tests on Neo-Geo.com have shown that the CDZ loading times can be almost half those of the normal NGCD. But yeah, the NGCD format doesn't represent the Neo Geo library all that well and there are also numerous minor port deficiencies throughout (where popular opinion claims that they're perfect besides the loading).
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[quote"ganelon"]CDZ overheating detailed[/quote]
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I bought a glitched AES system (corroded traces) with accessories + a loose cart, because I had obsessed over the system as a kid, after actually physically touching it and using it's controller, I realized it has a pretty bad build quality and plastic feel (compared to other consoles), it ruined some things in my head, probably a good thing.
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fuck the neo cd. tons of great games from the later years just never made it to CD. if you're only gonna have one SNK piece of hardware, don't go CD
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@jpj: Off topic, about your sig... that Border Down score boggles my mind every time I see it. So is DEL's, obviously. I feel quite :oops: I can get to lvl 5 and yet can't score for shizzle.
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I got an email recently from ebay seller ju707 and he's selling the SNK NEO GEO MVS 100-1 ARCADE GAME CARTRIDGE

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100-1 Neo Geo MVS Cartridge Special Pricing $122.50 Great for any Neo Geo Arcade Game 1 Slot, 2 Slot, 4 Slot or 6 Slot. You get all 100 games listed in 1 Cartridge.

SNK NEO GEO MVS 100-1 CARTRIDGE
HERE IS THE GAME LIST:

KOF 2002 SUPER
SNK VS CAPCOM SVC CHAOS
STRIKERS 1945 PLUS
KOF 05 UNIQUE II
KOF 97
KING OF GLADIATOR
METAL SLUG 3
METAL SLUG 6
KOF 2002
BOMBER MAN
ULTIMATE 11 ZUPAPA!
DOUBLE DRAGON
AERO FIGHTERS 2
STREET HOOP
PUZZLE BOBBLE
KOF 2002
KOF 2004 SPECIAL EDITION
KOF 10TH
KOF 2001
CROUCHING TIGER HIDDEN DRAGON SUPER
METAL SLUG X
MARK OF THE WOLVES
PREHISTORIC ISLE 2
KOF 2002 MAGIC
KOF 2004 SPECIAL EDITION
KOF 10TH EXTRA
KOF 2001
CROUCHING TIGER HIDDEN DRAGON
NIGHTMARE IN THE DARK
BASEBALL STARS 2
ALPHA MISSION II
RAGE OF DRAGONS
METAL SLUG 4
SAMURAI SHODOWN IV
SENGOKU 3
NEO DRIFTOUT
SPIN MASTER
NEO TURF MASTERS
3 COUNT BOUT
RAGE OF DRAGONS
NEOGEO CUP 98
BURNING FIGHT
KARNOV'S REVENGE
LAST RESORT
NEO MR. DO!
ROBO ARMY
PUZZLE DE PON!
SAMURAI SHODOWN V SPECIAL
MATRIMELEE
KOF 98
KOF 99
THE LAST BLADE 2
SHOCK TROOPERS 2
METAL SLUG
BLAZING STAR
DOUBLE DRAGON
METAL SLUG 2
METAL SLUG 6
KOF 97
KOF 97-2003
KOF 97 10TH CN
NINJA COMMANDO
AERO FIGHTERS 3 / SONIC WINGS 3
SUPER SIDEKICKS 3
THRASH RALLY
ART OF FIGHTING 2
ANDRO DUNOS
CAPTAIN TOMADAY
ZED BLADE
BANG BEAD
SUPER SIDEKICKS 2
KOF 05 UNIQUE
SNK VS CAPCOM SVC REMIX ULTRA
OVER TOP
PULSTAR
TOP HUNTER
MAGICAL DROP II
FAR EAST OF EDEN / KABUKI KLASH
KOF 94
KOF 95
KOF 96
GANRYU
EIGHT MAN
MUTATION NATION
SAMURAI SHODOWN 2
SAMURAI SHODOWN 3
PANIC BOMBER
KOF 2002 SUPER II
MARK OF THE WOLVES
SAMURAI SHODOWN 2
SAMURAI SHODOWN 3
MATRIMELEE
SPIN MASTER
KOF 99
METAL SLUG 4
KOF 2002 CN
KOF 2002 OROCHI
KOF 98 OROCHI
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Some of the above MVS game titles sound bit generic though.

ju707's email address is: ju707@aol.com if you want to learn more about this particular 100 in 1 MVS cart for sale.

I'd say that's not a bad deal for those games on just a single MVS cart but it's considered bootlegged shit anyways. Reminds me of those generic 102-in-1 Gamebox PCBs floating around. Best to stick with the original single game endowed MVS carts for now. This is the first time I've come across such info for a multi-game themed MVS cart though.

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Question for the gang:

What should an unmodified, boxed Neo Geo Gold System go for? Slightly beat-up box (all the boxes on eBay look nicer, but that's not to say it's falling apart - just has a rip on it), has a copy of Baseball Stars Pro and two arcade sticks. Unmodified, so just mono and uglyvideo. Don't know the serial offhand, I think it's ~245K or something though.
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in UK land, a high serial number console boxed, around £80-100, £20 for the extra stick, £20-30 for baseball stars. is it a US/euro system (ie no blood and titties)? search ebay for some completed listings :) you gonna stick to emus, or join me and kern in the ghetto? :P

kindgrind: i should really get back to border down :!: i was like DEL's favourite forum member for a while there :lol: have you read rando's strat thread? best thing to do is download the replays on super-play.co.uk, as that's what i think he was annotating, and where i learnt from. although i am nowhere near as cool as the guy who did those vids. you need to start on a red route. milk the midboss turret thing for about 8 million, and milk the boss (ie destroy with a high break laser count and the timer as close to zero as you can make it). i think i usually make about 20 million on level 1. border up. stage 2, not many points available, make about 5-7 million here just trying to kill the boss as close to zero again. border up. then you are on stage 3 green, but because you haven't died yet, difficulty will be 100% difficulty rank (instead of what it should be, ie 40-60%). not many points in the level. just make *sure* to survive all the level while in green. when the boss appears, suicide twice immediately. this is important for two reasons. one, you will have powerups for your break laser, which you will need shortly. and two, enemy and boss values are higher on more difficult routes. get the boss to about half health. kill some option pods, as it will help get your laser to max quicker, but there will come a point where you can't fire at them because they will stop respawning (important). after the second time he fires small pink homing lasers , he will sit still while his options fire a three way spread shot of dense bullets. get into a position (usually below the boss) where you can fire your break laser without touching anything. it needs to be at max level. when you kill stuff with the break laser, the number of bullets it has cancelled is multiplied by the value of the enemy you kill. so a 100 break, killing a 1000 point enemy would be 0.1 mill. now, when you're lasering, you will cancel many bullets very quickly. when it is at about 500-600 hits, move to where you can hit the options, but not the boss. each option pod will be worth 3000 multiplied by your break laser hit count (500-600+). i'm usually at about 800 hits, so that's 800*3000 and six option pods. 2.4 million * 6 = mucho points :D keep holding the laser, and fire straight at the boss. and now you need to pray... pray that you kill him before your laser runs out (timing is super tight). he is worth 30,000 * break laser. ie 30k x 999, or 30 million points. so total points from the 1st form are around 50 million. and his options are actually still respawning here, so if you're lucky all six will be killed *again* for an extra 15 million on top of the 50 million! however...! if you didn't suicide twice at the start, and are on green route, options are only worth 1000 each, and the boss 10k. so total points 1/3 of the 50 million, ie maybe get 15 million here. if you die during the level 3, you wont reach the green boss; your boss wont have the same form/patterns to do this trick. if you don't play it at maximum rank (ie red>yellow>green) the options wont fire enough bullets to drive your break laser up to a high value. if i haven't explained it well, or you have any other questions, just post in the high score thread :D the 2nd form is MEGA tough when you do this though. i only ever once make it to stage 4 this way (less score, because i pussied out a bit) around 74 million. he is at max rank, and you have used up all your laser, and your shot is like a little pee shooter, while he is crazy pissed off :shock:

y'know, looking at those scores, i'm the 2nd best on the forum at border down, 2nd best at radiant silvergun, and 2nd best at dai-ou-jou. always the bridesmaid, but never the bride :oops:
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