DoDonPachi
I have seen 2 real 700M+ runs by NAI and the 753M aichi-ken replay in question. In both of NAI's runs, he is extremely precise and plays with a great deal of intelligence and planning. He controls the bullets and does it so well, he forces nice gaps in the bullet patterns for him to dodge through.
On the other hand, the aichi-ken replay makes no sense. He doesn't seem to control the bullets. He sees a huge glob of bullets coming at him and just goes right through the center of the storm while doing super-human dodging. Every other second he is doing something amazing. He certainly isn't playing smart and he doesn't have to. People have analyzed his inp with software and detected it used slowdown. There are also stories that the player re-recorded each level until it was perfect. It is possible to use save states in emulators and re-record replays.
Here is an even better DDP replay where the player admits to using slowdown and scores 759M:
http://park5.wakwak.com/~poo/
On the other hand, the aichi-ken replay makes no sense. He doesn't seem to control the bullets. He sees a huge glob of bullets coming at him and just goes right through the center of the storm while doing super-human dodging. Every other second he is doing something amazing. He certainly isn't playing smart and he doesn't have to. People have analyzed his inp with software and detected it used slowdown. There are also stories that the player re-recorded each level until it was perfect. It is possible to use save states in emulators and re-record replays.
Here is an even better DDP replay where the player admits to using slowdown and scores 759M:
http://park5.wakwak.com/~poo/
It's not that simple. To see MAME replays you have to use exactly the SAME MAME version and exactly the SAME sound options or it'll desync.Zhon wrote:Ignorance. Who's to say someone didn't make a custom build of mame that can include rerecordings? Given that it's open source.
Score from awhile ago:
Zhon - 39,625,990 - A-L - 1-ALL - 208 Hits
Probably someone is able to mod a MAME version and use savestates while recording. But you'll never be able to see the replay on your MAME
In my opinion Aichi used slowdown, but it's still not proved.
Some japanese players are able not "only" to get a DDP's ALL but also 700M+ points on the arcade...Zhon wrote: Oh, and call me just a bit skeptical that someone out of nowhere did both loops of DDP without slowdown...
Just watch the replay included with DDP-DOJ: +1,8G (and it's made on the arcade). It's just crazy. And it's NOT the world record.
Believe me: Jappo make possible the impossible...
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MovingTarget
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I've suspected he cheated since the first time I saw it.MovingTarget wrote:I was enjoying this replay a lot, but now that I know it was possibly done by cheating I dont know that I'll ever watch it again.
But I continue to watch and enjoy the replay because it's absolutely amazing. Believe me: even with slowdown what he does is veeeeeeeeery difficult!
Smraedis wrote:what, playing at 1% is hard?
Even your ship goes 1% of its speed
If you don't believe me just try to chain every single enemy in the whole game, collect all the bees and beat Hibachi completing a PERFECT PLAY with NO miss and NO Bomb at 1%. You'll see it isn't that simple!
Of course dodging isn't absolutely hard as it seems at normal speed, but I assure you that 750M+ points in DDP is for the human-robots (even with slowdown)!
You know, I'm tempted to put together a build that can spit out a replay that plays back fine on wolfmame, but it wouldn't be worth the time. You "win" the argument, if you like.BR1 wrote:It's not that simple. To see MAME replays you have to use exactly the SAME MAME version and exactly the SAME sound options or it'll desync.
Probably someone is able to mod a MAME version and use savestates while recording. But you'll never be able to see the replay on your MAME.
You misunderstand. I wasn't implying that nobody on earth could do it, and yes I know about the skilled Japanese. I was implying something else entirely...BR1 wrote:Some japanese players are able not "only" to get a DDP's ALL but also 700M+ points on the arcade...Zhon wrote: Oh, and call me just a bit skeptical that someone out of nowhere did both loops of DDP without slowdown...
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I never plan to bomb them when their life bars turn red. If I want to beat the Arcadia record, then I wouldn't bomb, or else, I'll lose my MAXIMUM bonus. After all, this bonus is worth plenty of more points than laser-bombing the boss. And if I want to only survive, then I wouldn't bomb either, or else, I'll waste a bomb. (It's not like I suddenly have trouble dodging bullet barrages when the boss's life bar turns red.)gs68 wrote:Just a question about bosses: When you finish them off, do you bomb them or continue lasering them?
Bernard A. DORIA (retired)
Ehm... I mean: are you THAT Bernard Doria?BER wrote:I never plan to bomb them when their life bars turn red. If I want to beat the Arcadia record, then I wouldn't bomb, or else, I'll lose my MAXIMUM bonus. After all, this bonus is worth plenty of more points than laser-bombing the boss. And if I want to only survive, then I wouldn't bomb either, or else, I'll waste a bomb. (It's not like I suddenly have trouble dodging bullet barrages when the boss's life bar turns red.)gs68 wrote:Just a question about bosses: When you finish them off, do you bomb them or continue lasering them?
Is the guide yours? That's definitely the best DDP's guide I've ever found!
Are you really planning to beat the arcadia record? I mean that's just the PERFECT game of a PERFECT man!
He only missed one life against Hibachi but for the entire game he chained everything and collected every bee.
Beating SOF-WTN must be insanely hard, just one word: RESPECT!
Yes, I'm me. :)BR1 wrote:Ehm... I mean: are you THAT Bernard Doria?
Indeed, I wrote that guide. But I plan to create a new one once I secure a job and become comfortable with living overall.BR1 wrote:Is the guide yours? That's definitely the best DDP's guide I've ever found!
Yes, I'm planning to beat it. For now, I can't think of anything else that I'm better at doing.BR1 wrote:Are you really planning to beat the arcadia record? I mean that's just the PERFECT game of a PERFECT man! :D
Bernard A. DORIA (retired)
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freddiebamboo
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Maybe this?Zhon wrote:You misunderstand. I wasn't implying that nobody on earth could do it, and yes I know about the skilled Japanese. I was implying something else entirely...
I'm not a bad boy, you know, but... I don't believe in this score. I'm sorry. I'm really sorry. The max chain is too low, and beat the true last boss is a thing that a western player cannot do for the moment, I think.Morden wrote:
It's only my opinion. If I'm in error i will apologize and be ultra-happy, but first of all you (Morden) must prove your skills with an INP.
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freddiebamboo
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I recognise your name from I think TNL boards or the old shmups forumSiKrAiKeN wrote:You may think that, but a western player has indeed done it (and I'm not talking about Morden either).LUNardei wrote:...and beat the true last boss is a thing that a western player cannot do for the moment, I think.
If I'm not mistaken, you have a rather tasty score
I'm only happy about this thing! Who is the guy? I believe in what I see, and I'm really happy when I see a western player so near the japs... Like Xer Xian in Ikaruga, for example!SiKrAiKeN wrote:You may think that, but a western player has indeed done it (and I'm not talking about Morden either).LUNardei wrote:...and beat the true last boss is a thing that a western player cannot do for the moment, I think.
About Morden's score I really think that the maximum hit is too low, don't you think? I repeat: I hope to be in error!
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freddiebamboo
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After finally managing to 1CC this, I thought I'd post my score here. Dunno if I'll try topping it for a while (it took me long enough to 1CC the damn game, I'm not particularly eager to play more right away ), but anyways...
Cthulhu 30,286,020 C-S 1-6 (1-ALL?) 285
I like playing with the laser type more than shot, but I'm better with shot type. Ahh, the irony.
Cthulhu 30,286,020 C-S 1-6 (1-ALL?) 285
I like playing with the laser type more than shot, but I'm better with shot type. Ahh, the irony.
Here's my Highscore:
28'126'050 / C-S / Lvl.6 / 200 Max Hit
I hate the chain system! I really hate it!!
However, since I found out that I just can't get good chains how matter how hard I try. I am focusing only on that bomb-maximum-bonus.
@Ronz:
Like MovingTarget recommended, I think a larger score board would be better. Many people have posted their scores and aren't even listed. So how about a Top 20? This way some other players could join too.
28'126'050 / C-S / Lvl.6 / 200 Max Hit
I hate the chain system! I really hate it!!
However, since I found out that I just can't get good chains how matter how hard I try. I am focusing only on that bomb-maximum-bonus.
@Ronz:
Like MovingTarget recommended, I think a larger score board would be better. Many people have posted their scores and aren't even listed. So how about a Top 20? This way some other players could join too.
Sorry guys, I did indeed forget about this again.
I'm taking summer classes this year because I just changed my major and so I haven't had the time to check the forums here like I normally do.
I'll do my best to try to update the scores this weekend if I get some free time. Or, if you guys want to have a mod close this topic and have someone more active start the thread, I understand.
Again, sorry for the lack of updates.
I'm taking summer classes this year because I just changed my major and so I haven't had the time to check the forums here like I normally do.
I'll do my best to try to update the scores this weekend if I get some free time. Or, if you guys want to have a mod close this topic and have someone more active start the thread, I understand.
Again, sorry for the lack of updates.
Re: DoDonPachi
@Ronz:
I updated the scoretable, so you just need to hit the quote button.
I updated the scoretable, so you just need to hit the quote button.
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# Name Score Type Area Max Hit
01 Morden 473'766'630 A-L All 459
02 BR1 102'230'000 C-S 2-3 577
03 MrMonkeyMan 96'378'010 C-S 2-4 396
04 NTSC-J 82'516'070 C-S 2-4 472
05 Tomtom 43'793'900 A-L 2-2 298
06 Bydoslave 42'117'110 C-S 1-6 395
07 freddiebamboo 41'777'050 C-S 1-6 288
08 Zhon 39'625'990 A-L 1-All 208
09 Buha 37'376'580 C-S 1-6 280
10 Krobin 35'549'560 C-S 1-6 186
11 LFO 32'124'730 A-L 1-6 238
12 Cthulhu 30'286'020 C-S 1-All 285
13 8 1/2 29'111'730 C-S 1-All 220
14 Edge 28'126'050 C-S 1-6 200
15 RFL 25'447'948 C-L 1-5 354
16 Raiden 23'433'720 C-L 1-6 255
17 PC Engine Fan X! 8'423'480 C-L ??? 153
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freddiebamboo
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