Needs more Mac

Post by **undamned** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 7:53 pm

More Mac:

http://flickr.com/photos/soyburger/sets ... 228629049/

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Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 7:56 pm

Who knew someone could waste so much on so little.

Udderdude · Post by **Udderdude** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 7:58 pm

The only good use for an old Mac :

jonny5 · Post by **jonny5** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 8:02 pm

Udderdude wrote:The only good use for ANY Mac :

fixed

Udderdude · Post by **Udderdude** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 8:47 pm

jonny5 wrote:
Udderdude wrote:The only good use for ANY Mac :
fixed

Burnsauce :O

Momijitsuki · Post by **Momijitsuki** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:26 pm

Y'know, someone could sell all those macs and get a good computer. ;D

null1024 · Post by **null1024** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 11:32 pm

Elixir wrote:Who knew someone could waste so much on so little.

Dude, you can get an old Mac on EBay for like, $50-$500.
Especially ancient but not rare ones.

And also, why all the hate for Macs? I love Macs. [Granted, all my Macs are second hand from people who were too stuck in Windows mode to figure out how to use them...]

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 2:37 am

All the hatred is because Macs are more tailored for the female brain. Which naturally clashes with the male users.

Vexorg · Post by **Vexorg** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 6:04 am

Mac users never need to throw away their old hardware. All they need to do is put the things on the shelf next to the rest of their old Macs, and burn incense to the things every once in a while.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 6:59 am

Apple caters to the fashionista collector. Which is funny, because I can think of a bunch of old computer designs that were way better looking than the Apple //, but eh, who's counting. The fashion element means that the damn things seem to command a slight premium over other obsolete systems which are of interest mainly to gamers (Commie64 and Speccy come to mind).

If anybody doesn't want their old Mac mainboard or hardware, I'll take it. I really should get rid of one or two of my old Mac monitors, but then I wouldn't have matches with the various systems I own.

My own Mac computers (I have these because back when they were new I was able to use them for merely a handful of hours, and it became something of an obsession in the end), bought at ye local Thrift:

* Mac Presario 6290cd (aka the worst computer ever made; the only saving grace is that you can pull out the mainboard easily and replace it)
* Mac LC (another contender for worst computer ever made, but I'm actually thinking about picking up an Apple IIe Card for it - all I would then need were disk images and I should probably be able to play any old Apple // game in relative comfort)
some kind of early Power Mac (602?) - shares a monitor with the 6290, same type of cabinet
* Macintosh TV (another contender for worst computer ever made - are you seeing a pattern yet? This is worth more than I paid for it, however!)
*Mac Classic II - Came with a printer and keyboard, and there's three nice covers for each. This was a gift from a high school teacher who didn't need it anymore. The system reports 16MB RAM, which is more memory than various websites say is possible for this model.

If money was no object, I'd get rid of all that junk and settle on a Woz edition Apple //gs units, or a black Bell & Howell Apple //, and maybe an Apple Lisa, a Mac Cube, a white eMac and I'd plunk it all in a corner next to the NeXt Cube, four-card Quantum3D system, and Honeywell Kitchen Computer. The Cray and SGI Challenge systems go in another room, of course.

In practical terms, I just need a 5.25" drive for Apple // stuff, probably, and some way to play my //gs RASTAN (a good port of the arcade game).

Vexorg · Post by **Vexorg** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 7:53 am

Ed Oscuro wrote: If money was no object, I'd get rid of all that junk and settle on a Woz edition Apple //gs units, or a black Bell & Howell Apple //, and maybe an Apple Lisa, a Mac Cube, a white eMac and I'd plunk it all in a corner next to the NeXt Cube, four-card Quantum3D system, and Honeywell Kitchen Computer. The Cray and SGI Challenge systems go in another room, of course.

Yeah, but with all that stuff, where are you going to put the CM-5?

I think if I was ever buying a computer for purely aesthetic reasons (and again, money was no object) I'd have to go with a Cray T3D or something like that (which, interestingly enough, had a Mac Powerbook built into the front of the thing for no purpose other than to display a fancy logo while the thing was running.) I doubt the thing would be much use these days, but maybe you could mod it into a fridge or something like that.

I actually got to mess around with a few Cray X-MP and Y-MP generation supercomputers back when I was in high school. Plenty fast, but when you've only got a UNICOS (UN*X variant) command line to work with, there isn't a whole lot of messing around you can really do with the things. Oh yeah, and I managed to bog down one of the things to with some really badly written code running on a huge 3-dimensional array, but that's another story.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 8:18 am

Psh, the CM-5 can fit in your glovebox. (From a page about the machine).

Hmm...right now, if I were to get into supercomputing, I'd probably have to go with some kind of Tesla-type solution. It's gotta run some games, damnit. That would admittedly knock out the Honeywell and the other room-sized (or at least closet-sized) systems; although I'm sure somebody has thought up a use for Quake source and a Cray...

agustusx · Post by **agustusx** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 8:26 am

Don't forget the most important lesson here:

DoctorMemory says:

You can run the case (sans electronics) of most Compact Macs through a a washing machine to get them back into relatively decent condition. If you *really* want pristine conditions, before the dishwashing (or after), you can scrub it with a medium-power floor or car cleaner (I usually used a solution of Goo-Gone and water).

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 8:27 am

Fun with cheap ABS plastic never gets old.

I just let the stuff age, myself.

Cthulhu · Post by **Cthulhu** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 9:17 am

I went to the Mac side about 2 years ago. Started with Windows, as everyone does, but then needed Linux at home schoolwork (didn't want to go to the labs every time I needed to program), and was much happier with it than Windows. Then my girlfriend got a Mac and I messed with it. I was hooked.

You definitely pay a premium for Macs - depending on the model, you're going to pay 25%-40% more for comparable hardware - but it's worth every penny.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 9:26 am

Cthulhu wrote:You definitely pay a premium for Macs - depending on the model, you're going to pay 25%-40% more for comparable hardware - but it's worth every penny.

I wonder how much my $2000+ rig would've been "worth it" for that premium. Pass.

By the way, Apples didn't have the stuff I put in my rig anyway. Core i7, nice Asus MB, outrageously overpowered graphics card, etc.

Frederik · Post by **Frederik** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 2:57 pm

Ed Oscuro wrote:
Cthulhu wrote:You definitely pay a premium for Macs - depending on the model, you're going to pay 25%-40% more for comparable hardware - but it's worth every penny.
I wonder how much my $2000+ rig would've been "worth it" for that premium. Pass.

By the way, Apples didn't have the stuff I put in my rig anyway. Core i7, nice Asus MB, outrageously overpowered graphics card, etc.

Agreed. I´ve been wanting to upgrade from my old Mac Mini since several months, but during waiting for them to finally update the iMac I started to do a little search in how things are in the PC world, and MAN does the Mac hardware lag behind. And ever since the switch to Intel you can´t even argue in the "you can´t compare them!" way anymore - Apple uses the same guts as the rest of the computer world.

So while Mac OS X certainly is nice (if not a little dull), the price gap just got too big recently, and the last update was extremely underwhelming, so I think I can handle the Windows quirks again. Other things have been bothering me too: No affordable upgradable minitower (I don´t want to drop €2000+ on a desktop computer filled with laptop parts and a screen that I can´t replace) ,the switch to glossy-only screens (I´m getting headaches enough as it is), and its constant obsession with making its products as anorexic as possible without considering practical hardware issues.

The Mini, while underpowered, has been nothing but good to me, but now that I want to move upwards in the hardware department it seem that the next good solution for me is the Mac Pro, and I´m just too poor for that. Apple made such a nice OS, it´s a shame they butcher the professional desktop line in favor of laptops, phones and mp3-players. Seriously, who needs a all-in-one desktop computer that looks like a very fat flatscreen when you usually put your regular PC case under the desk where you can´t see it anyways?

Also, smugness:
http://www.dashes.com/anil/2007/10/smug-ugly.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbLeFNjYeTs

I really used to like Apple, but the more research I do the less appealing I find them. I´m certain the direction they are moving will make them even more money, but the target audience obviously has changed from content creationists to college kids and people who believe that bullshit that ALL PCs crash ten times a minute and steal your credit card information and poison your dog while all Macs just work, make you look better, and never break, ever. With Vista being a lot better than it was during the time of its release and Windows 7 shaping up to being a real turningpoint for the OS the temptation to switch back is stronger than ever. i7, here I come.

/rant

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 4:29 pm

Specineff wrote:All the hatred is because Macs are more tailored for the female brain. Which naturally clashes with the male users.

Sorry... built in Unix terminal & X-Server > any type of horse shit Bill Gates could dream of.

LaserGun · Post by **LaserGun** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 4:33 pm

Are you a bad enough dude to watch this documentary?

t0yrobo · Post by **t0yrobo** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 5:03 pm

GaijinPunch wrote:
Specineff wrote:All the hatred is because Macs are more tailored for the female brain. Which naturally clashes with the male users.
Sorry... built in Unix terminal & X-Server > any type of horse shit Bill Gates could dream of.

I don't know what it is about the mac terminal that makes me dislike it so much, I much prefer the terminal Ubuntu. Though that may just be because usually when I have to use the mac terminal I'm really annoyed about it.

Post by **Dave_K.** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 5:27 pm

Elixir wrote:Who knew someone could waste so much on so little.

Yeah, he could have totally bought a Futari BL kit with all of that. What a waste of money.

Cthulhu · Post by **Cthulhu** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 7:41 pm

Ed Oscuro wrote:By the way, Apples didn't have the stuff I put in my rig anyway. Core i7, nice Asus MB, outrageously overpowered graphics card, etc.

If you're getting a system for gaming, then yes, Macs are not the way to go. Hardware prices aside, the number of games released for the Mac is tiny anyways.

That said, I've abandoned PC gaming entirely so it wasn't an issue for me.

Stormwatch · Post by **Stormwatch** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 8:58 pm

Ed Oscuro wrote:* Mac LC (another contender for worst computer ever made, but I'm actually thinking about picking up an Apple IIe Card for it - all I would then need were disk images and I should probably be able to play any old Apple // game in relative comfort)

Why not just run an Apple II emulator?

trivial · Post by **trivial** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 12:41 am

Yeah, and a IIGS can't run anything cool a ][e can't.

Played with one in '98 for $20, wasn't worth it except to get it out of my system. With all my nostalgia and all the obscure shit available for free with no effort, it was a dog eleven years ago.

I was seduced by the idea that the damned thing could play Castle Wolfenstein 3-D like a real computer. I suppose it came too late, and was way too unpopular to code for.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 9:08 am

GaijinPunch wrote:Sorry... built in Unix terminal & X-Server > any type of horse shit Bill Gates could dream of.

And in turn Lunicks > any horse shit Steve Jobs could dream of :lol:

It's nice to be able to dual boot in any system you want to build these days, though I'd go with Windows and Linux before Win and Mac.

trivial wrote:Yeah, and a IIGS can't run anything cool a ][e can't.

RASTAN

I knew about the Wolf 3D port. Dumb reason to get a //gs - but no dumber than Rastan, I guess. The //gs isn't a terrible system, but there's barely enough horsepower to run fullscreen games.

Post by **undamned** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 4:17 pm

Udderdude wrote:The only good use for an old Mac :

al contraire
-ud

null1024 · Post by **null1024** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 8:04 pm

undamned wrote:
Udderdude wrote:The only good use for an old Mac :

al contraire
-ud

I want to know how to build that iMac Dreamcast. I don't use my ancient iMac AT ALL, and this would make it useful.

trivial · Post by **trivial** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 8:10 pm

First of all, get yourself real accustomed to playing SD content on a high-res LCD. It helps, somehow, to practice gouging motions. You may want a grapefruit-spoon attachment for the Wiimote.

LuckyDay · Post by **LuckyDay** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 8:39 pm

Jesus. With that setup, I could play Sim City, Bureaucracy, Zork, Hitchikers, Dark Forces, Myst and Marathon AT THE SAME TIME!!!

Ahh Mac gaming.... even at the time I knew it sucked and I still loved it for some reason.

Post by **undamned** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 10:48 pm

trivial wrote:First of all, get yourself real accustomed to playing SD content on a high-res LCD. It helps, somehow, to practice gouging motions. You may want a grapefruit-spoon attachment for the Wiimote.

Since when is 640x480p SD

DC looks gorgeous on my Dell 17" LCD. Anybody who says DC looks like poo on LCD either isn't running VGA or has a crappy LCD (or both).
-ud

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