2nd Annual Top 10 of the Less Experienced - Discussion

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2nd Annual Top 10 of the Less Experienced - Discussion

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Results from previous year:

Inaugural Top 10 Results: through 2007


This year's voting thread.
This year's results thread.
Last year's discussion thread.
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I see a disturbing GV boycotting this year :cry:
Alas, Ikaruga is going...

Undesired, unwanted them...
What makes them go?
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Maybe people actually played it after it got promoted as #1 shmup (2008) and then realized its way overrated.
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nimitz wrote:Maybe people actually played it after it got promoted as #1 shmup (2008) and then realized its way overrated.
Agreed, I never got what the fuss about that game was either.

I'm bit more surprised with the lack of Ikaruga worshippers. Usually they come in swarms.
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Rejoyce folks! As it might happen that people have different tastes and (omg omg omg what now) they could be even... wait for it... yes, different than yours! :shock:

I know it's difficult to accept, but with time anyone can do it :P

On a serious note, though, I'm one of those that thoroughly played it, liked it a damn lot and voted it, and I won't hide :D I'll vote it again and again until I find other games that can be more entertaining and challenging than GV.

I think Ikaruga is suffering from a rare (in this specific genre) "mainstream backstab". It's still a damn fine game, but it got too much attention since the GC/XBLA conversion and since popular nerd havens like SA, 4chan, Maddox and so on overpraised it instead of bashing everything like usual.
Every nerd now is talking about how cool ikaruga is and this is mostly unacceptable for a true shmupper who maybe would prefer focusing on an obscure X68000 shmup rather than joining the mob and hailing Ikaruga 8)

I still think that Ikaruga is still worth mentioning as one of the best, simplest and yet most innovative shmups out there. The fact that it's been overanalyzed doesn't dim its juicy bichromatic goodness :D
Alas, Ikaruga is going...

Undesired, unwanted them...
What makes them go?
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Post by FIL »

It could be everyone's number 11 shmup!
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Fenrir wrote:Rejoyce folks! As it might happen that people have different tastes and (omg omg omg what now) they could be even... wait for it... yes, different than yours! :shock:

I know it's difficult to accept, but with time anyone can do it :P
That's besides the point...

It doesn't take very deep analisys to realize that Gradius V is far from perfect and has quite a few problems.

The game is definitely enjoyable, but I think everyone can agree that it is far from being the best shmup ever.
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moozooh wrote:6 Mushihimesama Futari
10 Ketsui

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Notes.
1. I haven't really played Futari myself, but it does seem better than its predecessor in pretty much every way possible, so I went by that.
2. I haven't played the arcade version of Ketsui, but I have played Ketsui DL; see note #1 for the rest. Hoping to have a good taste of it by the next poll with the upcoming release. :P

I think you missed rule#3. :P

"3) Don't Vote for Games You Haven't Played! Hopefully that was self-evident..."

So you shouldn't vote for Futari.

As for Ketsui DL, if the Top 25 counts it as Ketsui, this will as well.
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Oh crap, I forgot about that. Well, I'll change that shortly. Thanks.

I also decided to drop Ketsui, since I think DL shouldn't really be counted on par with the arcade game. It's cool and all, but it's different enough.
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nimitz wrote:
Fenrir wrote:Rejoyce folks! As it might happen that people have different tastes and (omg omg omg what now) they could be even... wait for it... yes, different than yours! :shock:

I know it's difficult to accept, but with time anyone can do it :P
That's besides the point...

It doesn't take very deep analisys to realize that Gradius V is far from perfect and has quite a few problems.

The game is definitely enjoyable, but I think everyone can agree that it is far from being the best shmup ever.
i think you're the one missing the point

each person has their own criteria that they measure each game on. you might think the game has "flaws", but someone else might not, might not believe that any game can be perfect, and think that if you are "analysing" these games then you are probably do it completely wrong

(or they might not like vertical shooters :lol: )

personally, i think it was a landmark title and the perfect synergy between the old and new-school style of shooters. it looked great, but still retained the classic gradius gameplay. but hey :wink:
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People seem to forget that it's not 100% subjective.

There is such a thing as better games than others.


after that it comes down to debate and analysis.
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I wanted to fit in a Tecno Soft title to my list so badly, but I can't help admitting that I may like the soundtracks better than the actual games.

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nimitz wrote:There is such a thing as better games than others.
True, but misleading. "Better" could be any factor.
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My top ten this year is going to be taken from Roeb's 197X-1983 arcade thread, plus Taito remakes of Toaplan games, Guardian Force, Mars Matrix, and Axelay (that's actually six games right there, so I guess four will come from Rob's thread).
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VorpalEdge wrote:10 The World Ends With You
Is there actually a shmup by this name or is there in fact solely the action rpg?


Edit: nm, i'd missed VorpalEdge's defense.
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Wonder when results are gonna get posted :)

Would have been nice to see more Thunderforce IV though :)
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nimitz wrote:Maybe people actually played it after it got promoted as #1 shmup (2008) and then realized its way overrated.
Then how come DoDonPachi wins everything else?

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unsane wrote:
VorpalEdge wrote:10 The World Ends With You
Is there actually a shmup by this name or is there in fact solely the action rpg?


Edit: nm, i'd missed VorpalEdge's defense.
I'm surprised it took until now for someone to mention it.

(I wholeheartedly stand by my choice, though!)
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