LCD in candy cab

[Grime]

anyone ever install an LCD monitor in a candy cab?

Wondering if that would even be worth while.

[PC Engine Fan X!]

anyone ever install an LCD monitor in a candy cab?

Wondering if that would even be worth while.

A fellow shmupper has made custom cocktail table cabinets that use a $1,000+ USD low-res 19" LCD-based monitor setup. No LCD monitor manufacturer has made such 27" or 29" low-res LCD monitors (with the traditional 4:3 screen aspect ratio) as a direct replacement for the aging candy cabs that use the 29" Nanao CRT-base RGB monitors. If there is enough demand, then they could easily make them. I'd be up for one if they were available for purchase. ^_~

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

[Ed Oscuro]

A fellow shmupper has made custom cocktail table cabinets that use a $1,000+ USD low-res 19" LCD-based monitor setup.

Wow, expensive. Probably a crap panel with prices kept high by low demand

Link to that panel, or a name?

[jonny5]

industrial 15khz LCD....not cheap at all

these are raw LCD's...no casing or anything.....meant to be installed in things like kiosks and stuff

i know rick niemen @ niemendisplays does them, but they are expensive as hell

[t0yrobo]

A fellow shmupper has made custom cocktail table cabinets that use a $1,000+ USD low-res 19" LCD-based monitor setup.

Wow, expensive. Probably a crap panel with prices kept high by low demand

Link to that panel, or a name?

A little more than halfway down the page is the first post. Then on the next page this tidbit

The sticker on the unit says "Hantarex Germany, 19-inch Multisync Wide-Angle". I think the panel itself was made by AOU. I do not know who provided the A/D multisync converter inside. One of these units will set you back approx. 1.000 USD (tax included), no kidding.

[Grime]

Holy crap, had no idea it was such a waste of money

Thanks for the responses, now I know to go and push this idea right out of my head lol.

[Gwyrgyn Blood]

You could also get a normal commercial LCD screen and run low res games through an upscan converter of some sort. You might get a little bit of lag depending on the converter but not likely to be anything serious for shooting games. This isn't a bad idea as it also lets you more easily hook up a PC, 360/PS3, or Type-X to the cab, if you had any interest in that.

If you're purely running old 15Khz boards though, no real reason to bother with an LCD.

[robivy64]

A friend of mine just recently installed a 20" Samsung computer LCD monitor in his Jaleco Pony II and it looks fantastic. He bought a CGA/RGB to VGA converter and plays PCBs (not MAME) in it. He didn't spend a ton either.

An LCD really looks great in those older boxy cabinets.

[emphatic]

A friend of mine just recently installed a 20" Samsung computer LCD monitor in his Jaleco Pony II and it looks fantastic. He bought a CGA/RGB to VGA converter and plays PCBs (not MAME) in it. He didn't spend a ton either.

An LCD really looks great in those older boxy cabinets.

Wow, that does look sweet.

[jonny5]

any idea where he got that converter?

[emphatic]

any idea where he got that converter?

Lookie here: http://www.arcademvs.com/ARCADE_ACESSERIOR.htm

[Ed Oscuro]

CGA/RGB? What's the CGA in this context? Not Color Graphics Adapter?

Also, I like the look of the Pony II.

[jonny5]

hmm....thanx for the link emph

[robivy64]

CGA resolution. 320 x 240.

[Ed Oscuro]

CGA resolution. 320 x 240.

Oh, so you did mean that. Makes sense given the likely applications for such a panel...

[Dave_K.]

Very nice! But to be honest, upscaled without scanlines doesn't look all that great (pixel wise) in my opinion. He'd be better off using an XRGB2. I've tried playing PCBs via XRGB2 on my 36" LCDTV and it looks just as good as my 29" nano, but with perfect geometry. I just don't have the balls to make a cab out of it.

[kernow]

That convertor is a hell of a lot cheaper though

[Grime]

Thats ... awesome.

I actually have a couple extra 20" + computer lcd's getting no use.

Might have to try something like this out one day.

[zakk]

The key thing with converters is actually what they do with vertical sync rates. Most of the cheap ones (including the XRGB2+, if I remember right) don't change the vertical frequency. Most LCDs will do just fine within some +/- of 60hz, but you try to throw something like RF Jet or Viper Phase at it, it's probably not going to work.

Something like the VP30 will 'convert' the refresh rate, but that's not cheap.

[Grime]

The key thing with converters is actually what they do with vertical sync rates. Most of the cheap ones (including the XRGB2+, if I remember right) don't change the vertical frequency. Most LCDs will do just fine within some +/- of 60hz, but you try to throw something like RF Jet or Viper Phase at it, it's probably not going to work.

Something like the VP30 will 'convert' the refresh rate, but that's not cheap.

Ah yeah, vertical sync would be a problem, would work out ok, if you had a consolized mvs system or something. but thats alot of money too.

[robivy64]

We specifically tested RF Jet in that cab and it works great. The picture shifts to one side a little (expected), but after a quick adjust the geometry is perfect.

[zakk]

We specifically tested RF Jet in that cab and it works great. The picture shifts to one side a little (expected), but after a quick adjust the geometry is perfect.

Cool, if the LCD can adjust for it then you're in good shape. Just have to make sure the display can do that. I was in the unfortunate position of using this stuff for vidcaps so shifted image was pretty much a disaster for me.

I need to hunt around for LCDs that'll fit in my old Egret 1 (and maybe even my Exceleena), even non-scanlined LCD would be an improvement over the crappy D9200

of course they don't really make 4:3 LCDs that big, so...

[PC Engine Fan X!]

We specifically tested RF Jet in that cab and it works great. The picture shifts to one side a little (expected), but after a quick adjust the geometry is perfect.

Cool, if the LCD can adjust for it then you're in good shape. Just have to make sure the display can do that. I was in the unfortunate position of using this stuff for vidcaps so shifted image was pretty much a disaster for me.

I need to hunt around for LCDs that'll fit in my old Egret 1 (and maybe even my Exceleena), even non-scanlined LCD would be an improvement over the crappy D9200

of course they don't really make 4:3 LCDs that big, so...

So what's the biggest 4:3 aspect ratio sized LCD monitors that $$$ can buy these days?

[PC Engine Fan X!]

Very nice! But to be honest, upscaled without scanlines doesn't look all that great (pixel wise) in my opinion. He'd be better off using an XRGB2. I've tried playing PCBs via XRGB2 on my 36" LCDTV and it looks just as good as my 29" nano, but with perfect geometry. I just don't have the balls to make a cab out of it.

That'd be quite something if you could a make a custom-made cab with that 36" LCD TV in conjunction with an XRGB-2 with your arcade PCBs, Dave K. I like how the XRGB-2 provides the option of fake scanlines for completeness. ^_~

[Fudoh]

So what's the biggest 4:3 aspect ratio sized LCD monitors that $$$ can buy these days?

21 inches. These are running at 1600x1200 resolution.

Last summer we (me & a friend) exchanged a 27/29" CRT with a LCD. We used a 26" 16:10 model from LG and masked the unused area. We had to built a border anyway to fill up the CRT area, so I don't really see the problem with 4:3 screens. The unused area between 4:3 and 16:10 isn't this large and if you use a monitor with a thin chassis border the surrounding border/mask won't become this wide either. You're basically using a 16:10 1920x1200 screen and use the 4:3 1600x1200 area inside it.

That'd be quite something if you could a make a custom-made cab with that 36" LCD TV in conjunction with an XRGB-2 with your arcade PCBs, Dave K. I like how the XRGB-2 provides the option of fake scanlines for completeness. ^_~

I plan on turning my current 52" LCD into a vertical cab later this year when I buy a new 60" screen for movies. Will be rockin' hot

[emphatic]

So what's the biggest 4:3 aspect ratio sized LCD monitors that $$$ can buy these days?

21 inches. These are running at 1600x1200 resolution.

Last summer we (me & a friend) exchanged a 27/29" CRT with a LCD. We used a 26" 16:10 model from LG and masked the unused area. We had to built a border anyway to fill up the CRT area, so I don't really see the problem with 4:3 screens. The unused area between 4:3 and 16:10 isn't this large and if you use a monitor with a thin chassis border the surrounding border/mask won't become this wide either. You're basically using a 16:10 1920x1200 screen and use the 4:3 1600x1200 area inside it.

That'd be quite something if you could a make a custom-made cab with that 36" LCD TV in conjunction with an XRGB-2 with your arcade PCBs, Dave K. I like how the XRGB-2 provides the option of fake scanlines for completeness. ^_~

I plan on turning my current 52" LCD into a vertical cab later this year when I buy a new 60" screen for movies. Will be rockin' hot

Show us pictures please!

[t0yrobo]

Last summer we (me & a friend) exchanged a 27/29" CRT with a LCD. We used a 26" 16:10 model from LG and masked the unused area. We had to built a border anyway to fill up the CRT area, so I don't really see the problem with 4:3 screens. The unused area between 4:3 and 16:10 isn't this large and if you use a monitor with a thin chassis border the surrounding border/mask won't become this wide either. You're basically using a 16:10 1920x1200 screen and use the 4:3 1600x1200 area inside it.

I was considering doing something like that since it seems to be getting harder to find 4:3 lcds, good to know that it works well.
I was thinking having a bezel set up for 3:4, and another one for 16:10 so I can use it for hori stuff and a media center.