XRGB-3
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Konsolkongen
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Hey, I'm new here and wondering something about XRGB-3.
With the XRGB-3, can I play Sega Saturn games using the RGB SCART cable without any lag? My TV only has Component, and not RGB (which Saturn was designed for)...but I want XRGB-3 to see if I can plug in the RGB cable with it, and then have Component on the other end to use for my TV. Will this work? I'm using a 20", 4:3 LCD TV.
Thanks.
(Edit: the response time of the TV is 8ms, so lag shouldn't be noticeable there.)
With the XRGB-3, can I play Sega Saturn games using the RGB SCART cable without any lag? My TV only has Component, and not RGB (which Saturn was designed for)...but I want XRGB-3 to see if I can plug in the RGB cable with it, and then have Component on the other end to use for my TV. Will this work? I'm using a 20", 4:3 LCD TV.
Thanks.
(Edit: the response time of the TV is 8ms, so lag shouldn't be noticeable there.)
Last edited by Vincent on Mon Feb 16, 2009 3:24 pm, edited 3 times in total.
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Konsolkongen
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I used one of these once to convert RGBs to component:
http://avconnection.dk/?PGr=768&ML=427
It doesn't convert to progressive scan but the result was very good and i never noticed any loss in picture quality. I used this for Saturn in both 50hz and 60hz so there shouldn't be any problems there.
The unit is quite expensive though. I'm not sure where you live, but it should give you some kind of idea what to look for.
EDIT: It doesn't have any sound input/output so you need an adaptor with sound out before the RGB to Component box.
http://avconnection.dk/?PGr=768&ML=427
It doesn't convert to progressive scan but the result was very good and i never noticed any loss in picture quality. I used this for Saturn in both 50hz and 60hz so there shouldn't be any problems there.
The unit is quite expensive though. I'm not sure where you live, but it should give you some kind of idea what to look for.
EDIT: It doesn't have any sound input/output so you need an adaptor with sound out before the RGB to Component box.
Konsolkongen: I'm guessing you're from Europe. Apparently the RGB-to-Component converters have a problem with NTSC TVs. That's why I'm interested in XRGB-3. Read the last post on this page, http://www.racketboy.com/forum/viewtopi ... 1&start=10
"Well, I finally got the JS Technology RGB to YUV converter only to find out that it's "NTSC compatibility" is severely limited. Only the NES RGB was processing correctly. Genesis, N64, and the others were just garbage. I do NOT recommend this converter for use in the US, despite guarantees of NTSC RGB signal compatibility. You can't imagine the look on my face when this happened Speechless, really Anyway, from this happening, it appears each console that's RGB enabled is outputting RGB in it's own way. I suppose there was never a "standard" created and used back in the day. I'm thankful the company I bought it from is going to let me return it. I'm still baffled by the RGB signal differences that are so great amongst the consoles. The converter was just not flexible, very disappointing for how "high-quality" the device was supposed to be."
That guy's referring to a different transcoder, but I'd be surprised if the one you recommended me is better.
"Well, I finally got the JS Technology RGB to YUV converter only to find out that it's "NTSC compatibility" is severely limited. Only the NES RGB was processing correctly. Genesis, N64, and the others were just garbage. I do NOT recommend this converter for use in the US, despite guarantees of NTSC RGB signal compatibility. You can't imagine the look on my face when this happened Speechless, really Anyway, from this happening, it appears each console that's RGB enabled is outputting RGB in it's own way. I suppose there was never a "standard" created and used back in the day. I'm thankful the company I bought it from is going to let me return it. I'm still baffled by the RGB signal differences that are so great amongst the consoles. The converter was just not flexible, very disappointing for how "high-quality" the device was supposed to be."
That guy's referring to a different transcoder, but I'd be surprised if the one you recommended me is better.
It IS. The JS Technology converters have massive problems with NTSC and low-res 240/288p signals. The CYP recommended above works fine with all those. I've used a CYP to feed a XRGB through it's component ports and it was ok throughout.but I'd be surprised if the one you recommended me is better.
The major questions remains though. With using a RGB to component converter on a LCD TV you'd still use the TV's internal deinterlacer which a) looks plain ugly and b) introduces a lag of at least 2-frames (and up (unlikely) 7 frames). Using a XRGB definitely solves problem a) and LIKELY solves problem b).
You can test point b) easily with a PC connected to your LCD TV and check out if the delay is for you or not....
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Konsolkongen
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You can go from DVI-D to HDMI if you have that.
TVs without a PC connection usually have serious lagging problems since they're not built for lag-free input. You might want to look into another TV or monitor. 22 or 24" PC monitors are very cheap nowadays and they might fit your needs much better than your current TV.
TVs without a PC connection usually have serious lagging problems since they're not built for lag-free input. You might want to look into another TV or monitor. 22 or 24" PC monitors are very cheap nowadays and they might fit your needs much better than your current TV.
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Konsolkongen
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Looks like there is a 15% off right now. Don't know if they will ship worldwide but if you can get a friend to pick one up for you now might be a good time.
http://micomsoft.co.jp/xrgb-3.htm
http://micomsoft.co.jp/xrgb-3.htm
Konsolkongen wrote:Looks like there is a 15% off right now. Don't know if they will ship worldwide but if you can get a friend to pick one up for you now might be a good time.
http://micomsoft.co.jp/xrgb-3.htm
Anyone know if they ship world wide?
It's selfmade.
yes, plugging an Euro Scart cable into the XRGB will (best case) blow the input or (worst case) blow the machine. There are voltages between 5 and 12V running in the Euro Scart cables and the XRGB-3 has no protection against it.Also, is there a risk using the wrong cables? Would it damage the box or my consoles or screen?
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Konsolkongen
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Or you could do something like this:
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e236/ ... 1236986588
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e236/ ... 1236986616
Quite easy actually and now my XRGB-3 will accept EU scart cables directly. I did that modification as i wanted to be sure that one of my friends or myself when drunk, wouldn't forget the EU->JAP converter cable and blow the scart socket
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e236/ ... 1236986588
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e236/ ... 1236986616
Quite easy actually and now my XRGB-3 will accept EU scart cables directly. I did that modification as i wanted to be sure that one of my friends or myself when drunk, wouldn't forget the EU->JAP converter cable and blow the scart socket
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Konsolkongen
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Konsolkongen
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I have found my notes but they are very confusing even to me So i will have to check with the the actual soldering on the XRGB-3 before i'll post this to you. Would hate to see you break yours because of me
I'll have it ready sometime next week.
If you are used to soldering this is quite easy actually. What you will need besides soldering iron and wires are some hot glue and a cutter of some sort to cut the pins from the RGB socket inside the XRGB-3.
EDIT: Use something like the one in the middle here, i have no idea what its called in english:
http://www.pickabead.com/typo3temp/pics/34dc50d283.jpg
I'll have it ready sometime next week.
If you are used to soldering this is quite easy actually. What you will need besides soldering iron and wires are some hot glue and a cutter of some sort to cut the pins from the RGB socket inside the XRGB-3.
EDIT: Use something like the one in the middle here, i have no idea what its called in english:
http://www.pickabead.com/typo3temp/pics/34dc50d283.jpg