May the Force be w/ you (Episode III Spoiler Thread)

Post by **Ghegs** » Tue May 31, 2005 8:27 pm

Finally got around to watching the movie, so it's safe to poke my head in this thread.

Well. Like some have already said, it's the best of the prequel movies, but that ain't saying much. And it's a decent Star Wars movie, but a crappy stand-alone sci-fi movie.

That said, I never got bored and the two hours went by fast. I even spotted the Milliennium Falcon without trying. And during the space fighting scenes in the beginning I found myself thinking how cool it is when shmups use a similar scene as a background.

icepick · Post by **icepick** » Tue May 31, 2005 9:01 pm

Those are some interesting notes, Kosh; Thanks for re-posting them here! Makes me want to see the movie again, even more.

(That part about the "How did we walk right into this?" I had nearly forgotten about, and it now makes so much sense!)

Ghegs wrote:And during the space fighting scenes in the beginning I found myself thinking how cool it is when shmups use a similar scene as a background.

Surely there have been more than one with this sort of situation!

I'm really tempted to mention something to you, but I don't want to spoil anything. There's really no way that I could say anything without giving it away, though. You've also now reminded me of something that I said to my friends during the movie when that scene started (after I un-stuck my jaw from some gum on the floor), but that would give it away, too. It was kind of funny, though.

LoneSage · Post by **LoneSage** » Tue May 31, 2005 9:29 pm

Episode 3 was so awesome my face melted and my eyes moistened.

CMoon · Post by **CMoon** » Wed Jun 01, 2005 2:45 am

Dylan1CC wrote:Also, sis commented that RoTJ would be even more fun to watch now and I'd have to agree. Ep III adds a nice extra layer to RoTJ's finale when he is slowly looking back and forth at Luke then Palp. Because now in light of RoTS, I'd assume he's thinking as he looks at Palp, "Hey wait a minute, I joined up with this guy because he said if I did, Padme and my family would always be safe...now he's killing my son! It's time to die, whitey."

Damn, that should be the sub-sub-title to Ep. 6:

Star Wars, Episode 6, Return of the Jedi, 'It's time to die, whitey!'

No good acronymn for that fucker!

ST Dragon · Post by **ST Dragon** » Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:43 am

Ghegs wrote:Finally got around to watching the movie, so it's safe to poke my head in this thread.

Well. Like some have already said, it's the best of the prequel movies, but that ain't saying much. And it's a decent Star Wars movie, but a crappy stand-alone sci-fi movie.

That said, I never got bored and the two hours went by fast. I even spotted the Milliennium Falcon without trying. And during the space fighting scenes in the beginning I found myself thinking how cool it is when shmups use a similar scene as a background.

Similar battle scenes as SW3’s opening battle are also in:
RayForce - 2nd level just before you fight the boss, 2 fleets collide in close proximity of the moon’s orbit.
RayStorm - 4th level when you take on the Sicilian 3rd fleet around earth's orbit
Thunder Force V - 5th level you fight against the judgement sword fleet & you witness some huge battle cruiser exploding in the background just like in SW3’s opening battle.
Macross DYRL - Last space battle between the Zendrandi & Meltran fleets.

I’m sure there are a lot more.

Most of these anime/SWIII space battles mentioned, also remind me of the real world war II Battles of Midway or the Battle of Jutland between Japan & US. 2 huge fleets colide & bullets are fired towards all directions. That's where the idea originated.

The previous episode was better than SWIII imo.

IlMrm · Post by **IlMrm** » Wed Jun 01, 2005 8:14 am

ST Dragon wrote: Most of these anime/SWIII space battles mentioned, also remind me of the real world war II Battles of Midway or the Battle of Jutland between Japan & US. 2 huge fleets colide & bullets are fired towards all directions. That's where the idea originated.

I watched a great documentary on it. There were a few little twists of fate that turned it around for the US, but could've easily been the other way. I shudder to think what would've happened if it did.

By the way don't want to be an ass but in the Battle of Midway, the two fleets didn't fire a shot on each other(except for a Japanese mini-sub that sank the crippled Yorktown and her escort on their way back to Pearl). It was done entirely by the aircrafts of both sides. Hence demonstrating the power of the aircraft carrier and her planes.

Back on topic: I thought ships broadsiding each other was a "new" battle technique first used in the Battle of Endor, as we all know as a last gamble with everything on the line. Since then I believe the books refer it as the "Ackbar Slash" or something.

ST Dragon · Post by **ST Dragon** » Wed Jun 01, 2005 8:33 am

I don't remember any ships broadsiding each other in the Battle of Endor. Most were destroyed by the DeathSta’s Laser Beam. "Fire at Will Commander"

This technique was originally used by real life sea pirates & I 1st witnessed it in a sci-fi film, in Captain Harlock in Arcadia last episode, when he battled against the Earth Occupation Commander.

Speaking of Air craft carriers, the SDF-1 in the Robotech SAGA is actually carrying two aircraft carriers on its side & uses them as landing bays in all its space battles.
One of them "Daedulus" was also used to Ram a Zendraedi cruiser.
So you could say that it also has some similarities to the battles I mentioned.

Damocles · Post by **Damocles** » Wed Jun 01, 2005 10:13 am

Vader in Ep. 3 is in his mid-20's.

Vader in Ep. 4 is in his mid-40's or 50's I'm guessing. And Luke/Leia are in their early 20's.

You're telling me it took 20-odd years to build the Death Star, since its' construction was the final scene of ep. 3? Either that or they kept it hidden for a friggin long time. Either way, no.

Also, I'm glad Lucas kept to his original backstory as to how Vader was forced to don the black armor. Pretty much keeps in line with the Star Wars Bible. Not like what they did with Boba Fett.....though I suppose his backstory was mostly the work of authors writing after the original trilogy. Pissed me off to no end, since his story is completely different. Hell, his real name isn't even Boba Fett....it's Jaster friggin Mereel.... But I'm a geek, so that doesn't matter.

*shrug*

ST Dragon · Post by **ST Dragon** » Wed Jun 01, 2005 12:30 pm

Sorry.
But why was Vader forced to wear the black suit & helmet after his injury?

Also for such a highly advanced society, its surprising that they couldn't produce organic implants instead of robotic.
They did make a 2million slave-clone army after all.

Minzoku · Post by **Minzoku** » Wed Jun 01, 2005 12:53 pm

MadSteelDarkness wrote:I'm guessing if there's an afterlife, Ewoks are torturing him in hell by singing that awful Ewok song from the original ROTJ ending.

I must be the only person in the universe who liked that song

[or, at least, feel nostalgic about it]...

CMoon · Post by **CMoon** » Wed Jun 01, 2005 1:18 pm

Minzoku wrote:
MadSteelDarkness wrote:I'm guessing if there's an afterlife, Ewoks are torturing him in hell by singing that awful Ewok song from the original ROTJ ending.
I must be the only person in the universe who liked that song [or, at least, feel nostalgic about it]...

Nope. Though indeed 'nostalgic' might be the right word. I certainly liked that ridiculous ending more than the new 'epic but boring' ending.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:57 pm

Would this be considered an inconsistency?

In Empire, as Luke is leaving Dagobah to save the day, Obi-wan says "he was our last hope...." or something like that, and Yoda replied, "No, there is another.". Wouldn't Obi-wan have noticed that... considering he was there when Padme spit them kids out.

Post by **Ghegs** » Wed Jun 01, 2005 8:17 pm

GaijinPunch wrote:Would this be considered an inconsistency?

In Empire, as Luke is leaving Dagobah to save the day, Obi-wan says "he was our last hope...." or something like that, and Yoda replied, "No, there is another.". Wouldn't Obi-wan have noticed that... considering he was there when Padme spit them kids out.

Yeah, I wondered about that too. Also (though this may have been explained somewhere, I'm not THAT much of an SW nerd...) why didn't Vader, after finding out about Luke, ever question Palpatine about why he had lied about the death of the children?

While at that, why the hell didn't Owen and Beru Lars give their surname to Luke? "Hey, let's make sure this kid has his murderous Sith Lord of a father's name so they'll be able to find each other in the future!"

...

Luke Lars.

Yeah, okay.

IlMrm · Post by **IlMrm** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 6:26 am

ST Dragon wrote:I don't remember any ships broadsiding each other in the Battle of Endor. Most were destroyed by the DeathSta’s Laser Beam. "Fire at Will Commander"

The novel's description of the battle is very cool. Remember the scene(one of my favorite scene in the series) with the Frigate exchanging fire with the Star Destroyer? If you look closely, the SD absorbs the Frigate's volley, but the SD's volley sets off explosions on the Frigate. Make sense since the Frigate has weaker shields, and lasers, while the SD has stronger shields/turbolasers.

Also the scene with the TIE crashing onto the superstructure of a SD. You can see a Mon Cal Cruiser above it, but sadly you don't see them fire on each other.

Nerdiest post I ever posted.

Dylan1CC · Post by **Dylan1CC** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 6:36 am

CMoon wrote:
Dylan1CC wrote:Also, sis commented that RoTJ would be even more fun to watch now and I'd have to agree. Ep III adds a nice extra layer to RoTJ's finale when he is slowly looking back and forth at Luke then Palp. Because now in light of RoTS, I'd assume he's thinking as he looks at Palp, "Hey wait a minute, I joined up with this guy because he said if I did, Padme and my family would always be safe...now he's killing my son! It's time to die, whitey."
Damn, that should be the sub-sub-title to Ep. 6:

Star Wars, Episode 6, Return of the Jedi, 'It's time to die, whitey!'

Yup. And to illustrate my point on the "Die whitey" subtitle, I will now write the first ever Aqua Teen Hungerforce SW fanfiction:

*Master Shake's voice* "The scene of Anakin throwing the Emperor down the reactor shaft....was a documentary."

*Master Shake grabs some old guy and yells "Time to die, Whitey!" and throws him down a sewer*

Meatwad to Shake who is laying on the street coughing: "I wish I could save you, father."

Shake: "You already have, Luke. You already have."

Dylan1CC · Post by **Dylan1CC** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 6:42 am

Oh yeah, here are two very cool reasons to buy the novelization of Episode 3:

A scene Lucas wrote but did not film where Qui Gon appears to Yoda and basically tells him the Sith are evolving and the Jedi need to adapt, then Yoda pledges himself to Qui Gon in order to learn the disappearing ability.

In the opening battle between Grevious' forces and the Republic ships, in the novel there is a humorous part where a young Captain Needa "fresh out of the Republic academy" appears on Grevious' viewscreen and tells him in an arrogant young voice to "Stand down"/surrender. (For those that don't know, this is the guy Vader chokes in ESB and then utters the memorable line "Apoligy accepted, Captain Needa.)

ST Dragon · Post by **ST Dragon** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 12:24 pm

This novel you're refering to, is it a book or a comic by darkhorse?
sounds cool.

Why was Vader forced to wear the black suit & helmet after his injury?
Nothing is mentioned in the end of the film.

sffan · Post by **sffan** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:14 pm

ST Dragon wrote: Why was Vader forced to wear the black suit & helmet after his injury?
Nothing is mentioned in the end of the film.

For dramatic effect. It's a movie.

Anyway would you rather have seen him with 2 peg-legs, 2 prosthetic arms & a nasty burnt-up face for the rest of the saga? He had to look evil and really cool at the same time, not pitiful & crippled.

Dylan1CC · Post by **Dylan1CC** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 4:02 pm

ST Dragon wrote:This novel you're refering to, is it a book or a comic by darkhorse?
sounds cool.

Why was Vader forced to wear the black suit & helmet after his injury?
Nothing is mentioned in the end of the film.

It's a book, you can find it at any bookstore or large retailer.

He has to wear the suit, not just for aethetic effect, but also to shield the bionic parts of his now vulnerable body.

ST Dragon · Post by **ST Dragon** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:12 am

What's the exact name of this book? I'll go & search for it this weekend.
Thanks.

Marc · Post by **Marc** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:56 pm

Well, t'wasn't the spectacular I personally was expecting. Wasn't too bad though. Dialogue... eeewww. Anakin seems to switch allegiance too quickly - I'm a goodie, no wait, bollocks to that, dark side it is then. There was no real weight to the acting, in particular Anakin's fear of loosing his family came off as slightly peevish instead of truly deaperate. Palpatine was a little OTT, Obi wooden ('cept for the end where he spouts the line about Anakin being the one that was supposed to destry the sith, not join them or somesuch - that made my hairs stand up), and Grevious cartoonish. Having said that, the opening 30 minutes were the bomb, the duel with Dooku kicked ass, and Yoda dropping the two Royal Guards was piss funny. Thought the transformation into Vader was rushed slightly, the birth scene and the operation could have done with being a little longer IMO, but the scene with Vader asking about Padme was oddly touching, it leant him a little more humanity, making the fact that it would vanish entirely in time even more dark. Not bad, not brilliant, and I'm glad that any thoughts of 7,8 or 9 have long gone.

Minzoku · Post by **Minzoku** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 5:45 am

Ghegs wrote:
GaijinPunch wrote:Would this be considered an inconsistency?

In Empire, as Luke is leaving Dagobah to save the day, Obi-wan says "he was our last hope...." or something like that, and Yoda replied, "No, there is another.". Wouldn't Obi-wan have noticed that... considering he was there when Padme spit them kids out.
Yeah, I wondered about that too. Also (though this may have been explained somewhere, I'm not THAT much of an SW nerd...) why didn't Vader, after finding out about Luke, ever question Palpatine about why he had lied about the death of the children?

1. I figure Obi-Wan didn't realize Leia had any potential.

2. Because Vader got pwned and is Palpatine's bitch

Ghegs wrote:While at that, why the hell didn't Owen and Beru Lars give their surname to Luke? "Hey, let's make sure this kid has his murderous Sith Lord of a father's name so they'll be able to find each other in the future!"

...

Luke Lars.

Yeah, okay.

WAY TO PLAN AHEAD

Post by **undamned** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 5:45 pm

Checkit. Greg, this is for you:

Yesterday I was thinking about the scene where Ani is talking to Obi in the lava scene and Ani says something to the effect of "if you are not with me then you are my enemy." Ok, so, dig this, Obi's response is, "Only a Sith speaks in absolutes." Remember, kids, "only" is an absolute. Obi just spoke an absolute and is therefore a Sith. Fun with bad scripting, YAY!!!

-ud

IlMrm · Post by **IlMrm** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 6:22 am

Good ol' Maddox wrote an article about III that only he could.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 7:29 am

What about all the sub-contractors that died on the 2nd Death Star. Any opinions of those?

Minzoku · Post by **Minzoku** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:27 pm

^ Check out Clerks for your answer

FatCobra · Post by **FatCobra** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 4:23 am

I just say it today and well, not as bad as I expected it to be, but nowhere near the quality of the original trilogy.

I wished the battles scenes were alot longer and that they wouldn't keep switching from battle snippt to boring dialog and then back to the battle.

Most of the lines were cheesy at best. "Anakin, you're breaking my heart!"
The best cheesy line was when Vader asks Whitey if Padme is okay and he says Vader killed him and he's all like "I killed her?!? NOOOOOOO!!!!!" The way he says it was just campy.

Of course, I felt sorry and angry for poor Anakin. Before watching the prequels, and before I saw The Empire Strikes Back, I thought Vader was some kind of evil robot.

And speaking of robots, what was up with their voices? Only General Gervious had that evil robot voice, but it also sounded like he was having an asthma attack.

This movie was so cheesy that I could have used for dip for my movie-bought nachos (which tasted like cardboard) instead of that fake cheese.

Still, now that I have the backstory, I want to watch the old trilogy again.

ST Dragon · Post by **ST Dragon** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 11:21 pm

By the way...
What's the name of the actor playing the emperor in the older SW trilogy?
He looked a lot more sinister imo, especially in ROTJ.

Wanderer · Post by **Wanderer** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 3:35 am

His name is Ian McDiarmid and he's the same actor playing the Emperor/Darth Sidious in the prequel trilogy.

He was about 38 when he did Return of the Jedi. The makeup put about 40 years on him

ST Dragon · Post by **ST Dragon** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 6:31 am

Interesting.
I thought it was a different actor!