Mushihimesama vs. Ibara

antron · Post by **antron** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:17 pm

TheWalkingDude wrote: By the way, Jockel, that "hard as black cock" comment... racist.

FTFY

KindGrind · Post by **KindGrind** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:25 pm

Mushi. Ibara, while very good, is pretty much an acquired taste. Insanely difficult for me, hence my sig for the past month.

As everyone said, ESPGaluda is a better/friendlier game than these 2, though.

Ruldra · Post by **Ruldra** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:49 pm

While I do prefer Ibara, it's just insanely difficult...not even DOJ kick my ass as much as Ibara does...I'm lucky if I can get past stage 3.

For OP I'd suggest DOJ, but between the two mentioned, get Mushi.

John845 · Post by **John845** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 12:49 am

I hate Ibara, not a fun shmup at all. I like the explosion effects in the game but that's it. Get Mushi, my favorite PS2 shmup along with Espgaluda. Dodonpachi Daijou is a bit too hard for me.

ZOM · Post by **ZOM** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 3:40 am

Like many previous posters mentioned, I suggest you pick up Espgaluda.
It's very beginner friendly, the port is excellent and, in my opinion, it's a very good STG for people who want to begin
to play for score without straining too much away from the survival path.

As for Ibara, well, I think it's an awesome game with the potential to let grown men cry...
Make just one mistake which rises the rank a bit too much and you will be completely destroyed.

Jockel wrote:...It's simply the best among the Cave-PS2-ports but also hard as black cock...

AMEN

Shelcoof · Post by **Shelcoof** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 3:47 am

Very tough choice

I really love both games (even though I suck) but from a beginner point of view if you want something a bit easier to get into Mushi would be my recommendation. If your skills are sharp then go for Ibara because that game is one tough cookie.

I'd recommend both games if you had the cash because both games are different and fun.

Anyways hope that helps

Diebythesword · Post by **Diebythesword** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 4:28 am

Jockel wrote:If it's the Slim PS2 Models you can easily buy a normal ac adapter from your region. (except the newest ones, but they don't need an adapter at all)

I wish it was slim, but its not

I could play Japanese PS1 games though, I'm just looking for Raiden DX and Cho Aniki

evil_ash_xero · Post by **evil_ash_xero** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 12:23 pm

TheWalkingDude wrote:Thanks for your advice, dudes. I think I'll go with ESPgaluda first, though, seeing as how people have made it seem "rookie-friendly." If ever I wanna try something else out, I'll go with Mushi. However, I've heard nothing but good things about Daioujou, but according to other things I've heard, levels 2 and 3 are so hard, they make circus strongmen cry. How good of a shmupper do you have to be to enjoy DDPDOJ? (preferably for survival.)

By the way, Jockel, that "hard as black cock" comment... Priceless.

Well, I play hard shmups all the time, but DOJ stays firmly in it's case. Insane hard would be the best way to describe it. You'd have to be an amazing shmupper to be good enough to actually have fun with it.

s/m

Jockel · Post by **Jockel** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 12:33 pm

Diebythesword wrote:
Jockel wrote:If it's the Slim PS2 Models you can easily buy a normal ac adapter from your region. (except the newest ones, but they don't need an adapter at all)
I wish it was slim, but its not I could play Japanese PS1 games though, I'm just looking for Raiden DX and Cho Aniki

Isn't the fat PS2 powered by a normal figure-8 power chord?
So you'd just need a step-down converter and this.
(Of course you just need the stepdown converter if you are on 220/230v)

kozo · Post by **kozo** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 6:50 pm

Maybe overkill at this point, but put another one down for Galuda. I'm a so-so player and I can almost 1CC it now.

Ibara is AWESOME, but indeed very hard.

Mushi is great too, and fairly easy, but I haven't spent a lot of time with it yet to judge clearly. It is, however, probably the most expensive out of the three.

DOJ is of course good too, but start with DDP first to get a feel for it before you spend a lot on it. It is harder than Mushi, but IMO not as hard as Ibara (from a survival point of view, that is.)

Start with ESPGaluda, and work from there.

kengou · Post by **kengou** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:33 pm

evil_ash_xero wrote:Well, I play hard shmups all the time, but DOJ stays firmly in it's case. Insane hard would be the best way to describe it. You'd have to be an amazing shmupper to be good enough to actually have fun with it.

I think this is an exaggeration, but it probably varies from person to person. I'm pretty average at shmups, and I can only get to level 3 and occasionally 4 in DOJ but I still really enjoy it. I do have to be in the right mood to pop it in, though. Sometimes I don't feel like getting my ass kicked, and sometimes I do.

Post by **spadgy** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:57 pm

You're safe with Mushi or ESPgaluda.

Mushi was m first cave game I owned, and in terms of a relatively simple scoring and weapon system it's great. Also, Arrange mode is good for those less versed in shmups to survive in loads of bullets.

I've not played ESP on PCB, but it can't be as sketchy a port as Mushi.

Diebythesword · Post by **Diebythesword** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:04 pm

Jockel wrote: Isn't the fat PS2 powered by a normal figure-8 power chord?
So you'd just need a step-down converter and this.
(Of course you just need the stepdown converter if you are on 220/230v)

Thanks for the info. Now I can finally play!

Shelcoof · Post by **Shelcoof** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 3:05 am

Seeing how people are adding ins Cave shooters that aren't being asked about I might as well throw in my 2cents on PS2 ports.

If you want to get started my recommendations would be ESPGaluda or Mushi. Both games are nooby friendly and have a difficult learning curve once you start getting better.

DOJ is very difficult, so I'd say hold off on that this game is for more of the advance players.

Ibara is awesome but really hard!

This is my favourite Cave ports in the order of my favourites. I also added scores to them to give you an idea of how close they are

Ibara (5 score just as hard ad DOJ but for some reason I like it)
ESPGaluda (4.9)
Mushi (4.89)
DOJ (3.5 because it's soo damn hard!)

clp · Post by **clp** » Thu Jan 01, 2009 12:53 pm

John845 wrote:I hate Ibara, not a fun shmup at all. I like the explosion effects in the game but that's it. Get Mushi, my favorite PS2 shmup along with Espgaluda. Dodonpachi Daijou is a bit too hard for me.

ibara is massively fun and enjoyable when your good enough to progress with it , when i got the game some year ago i was new to shmups and it sucked just got fed up with getting whipped , but after a year of regular play on all kinds of shmups the challenge has become realistic so yeah keep practicing and ibara will stand more of a chance of winning your vote one day .

DEL · Post by **DEL** » Thu Jan 01, 2009 10:05 pm

Mush vs. Ibara is really a choice between Cave vs. Raizing.
If you hail from the olden days of 80s arcades, then you'll most likely prefer the Raizing style. If not, then I dunno, both are good games but quite different in nature.
As for difficulty, it took me longer to reach loop 2-2 on Ibara than 1CCing Mush Maniac. In fact Plasmo 1CC'd Maniac on his first credit ever. Ibara is all about bomb usage and non-usage.
& suicides

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I kinda miss the days when you were allowed to rack your lives across the screen. That's my only complaint about the more recent Raizing/Cave games - you're not rewarded for 1 lifing distance, in fact quite the opposite. On Batrider & Ibara, survival time X the number of lives acts as a multiplier on the rank.
I didn't mind suiciding on Border Down, but suiciding on the Yagawa games seems a cheap way of culling gametime.

Sexy parody · Post by **Sexy parody** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 1:04 pm

I began as a shoom'upper with Mushihime, it was so special for me that I only can say beautiful things about it

.

Ibara is rather difficult and i think less impressive in visuals, despite the Mushi PS2's port is not the better.

bucklemyshoe · Post by **bucklemyshoe** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:35 pm

You should deffiniatly get Mushi before Ibara.

However I do think you should buy ESP Galuda first. My reasoning is as follows:

#1 Cheaper than either of the above. http://www.play-asia.com/SOap-23-83-a12 ... 0-3np.html

#2 Comes with a free super replay DVD showing you how to get through the levels and get high score with both charachters.

#3 Arrange Mode. The arrange mode is almost a whole new game, theres two different charachters, plus a new scoring system, plus more bullets, plus an auto-bomb/barrie feature, plus you shoot differently, plus it's even more fun than ESP Galuda's normal mode.

#4 More rookie friendly than Mushi and deffiniatly Ibara.

#5 If you like this, DDP DOJ won't come across as so impossible.

I would buy ESP Galuda, then Do Don Pachi Daioujou DV http://www.play-asia.com/SOap-23-83-a12 ... 0-284.html

Then later down the line Mushi and lastly Ibara.

Although Psyvariar 2 Ultimate Final is an absolutely amazing game. (it shits on the DC version) and should be added to your collection to. I would buy that over Mushi & Ibara as well.

mrtie · Post by **mrtie** » Sun Jan 04, 2009 12:41 am

Udderdude wrote: All of those are options, but PS2 emulation requires a pretty beefy PC still. And I've found that only DOJ and ESPGaluda emulate well.

How are you getting ESPgaluda running well on ps2 emulation? It's by far the worst runner for me on pcsx2 playground beta, DOJ is finally flawless beyond a tick of graphic tearing, Mushi runs well with some sound errors, and Ibara is pretty slow in the action, but espagaluda runs like semi-hard concrete. I'm running a E8400@3.6ghz 2gb of ram, and 2 4870's...so I can beast through a good chunk of ps2 games on that system, but for me ESP runs awful(4-10fps in the action).