Gamecube Shmups? (and 3D rail shooters?)

dhowerter · Post by **dhowerter** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:36 am

Hi all

I have 2 main questions:

1. Are there ANY other shmups (*2D* shooters - 2D gameplaywise, not necessarily graphics wise) on Gamecube (import or USA release) besides the following? :

- Ikaruga
- Chaos Field
- Star Soldier (Hudson Selection Volume 2)
- Radirgy (Radio Allergy)
- Shikigami No Shiro 2

If YES, what is each one called? (and please mention the regions of release

Feel free to include any impressions / details on each shmup (the new ones, not the ones listed above).

2. Does the Gamecube have ANY 3D rail shooters? (same genre as Panzer Dragoon or Starfox)

If YES, what is each one called? (and please mention the regions of release

Feel free to include any impressions / details on each 3D rail shooter.

Thanks!

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twalden · Post by **twalden** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 5:19 am

Dragon Drive came out on the Gamecube in Japan. Kind of a Starfox - Panzer Dragoon hybrid. No other shmups other than the ones you can play with a GBA adapter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzAvEfCqW5s

Sonic R · Post by **Sonic R** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:27 am

There is a Space Invaders style game involving people characters… it even developed by Taito.

Space Raiders

dhowerter · Post by **dhowerter** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 1:06 am

AH yes, I need to read up on Space Raiders.

Any OTHER Gamecube: (import or domestic)

2D shmups? (2D as in gameplay)

OR

3D rail shooters?

OR

Top down shooters? (think Ikari Warriors, Shock Troopers or even Neo Contra)

OR

heck any good games on Gamecube (import or domestic) you'd like to recommend that involve SHOOTING?

Thanks!

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sunburstbasser · Post by **sunburstbasser** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 6:14 am

Alien Hominid. Kind of a Metal Slug run n' gun game.

Jockel · Post by **Jockel** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 11:35 am

if you want to let it count, P.N.03.
Bloody brilliant game!

dhowerter · Post by **dhowerter** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 8:51 pm

Ah, Alien Hominid..definitely getting that one

As for PN 03, it has had such MIXED reviews, I am a little unsure of why those who love it, love it.

Care to enlighten me please as to why YOU love PN 03? ^_^

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Jockel · Post by **Jockel** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 10:55 pm

There's a lot to love.
When you start the game, you have to manually hammer the A-button shot for shot. That's totally awesome to get the adrenaline pumping.
Because you know that you'll get hit if you don't kill the enemies fast enough.
You can still dodge the enemies' attacks, but not while shooting.
So either tap as fast as you can or die

Next thing: the presentation.
The art direction is imo great, you'll see a sterile futuristic environment and get some neat electro soundtrack.
Look at this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WcB3fOS6j0
The guy is speedrunning so it may look a bit stupid.
But it should at least show you the environments you'll have to deal with (and the awesome music!)
Reviewers didn't like it because it was "too hard" and "too short". But cmon, we're all here because we love our games short and hard.
Another thing that was always pointed out was that the leveldesign would be too repetative. Well i think it has to be, to get that feeling of an anonymous, sterile and cold future.

RackGaki · Post by **RackGaki** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 11:26 pm

Is Space Raiders worth it? I haven't read many good things about it.

Otherwise, you people are starting to describe my Gamecube collection. Couple of really sweet games on that system.

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 12:24 am

RackGaki wrote:Is Space Raiders worth it? I haven't read many good things about it.

Otherwise, you people are starting to describe my Gamecube collection. Couple of really sweet games on that system.

Might be worth $10 to satisfy your curiosity. It's not terrible for a quick game here and there, but it has very little style or substance to speak of.

MathU · Post by **MathU** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 12:25 am

I don't like Alien Hominid, and I resent being tricked into thinking it was a great game and buying it. It really is nothing more than an expensive flash game. The art direction, though cute, constantly obscures bullets, the sound and music is dull at best, there's barely any difference between special weapons, and the game is too exhaustively long for its own good.

I'd say the game is merely mediocre, and it certainly is no where near as good as Metal Slug. People were saying that you'd like Alien Hominid if you like Metal Slug, but I disagree.

If you insist on buying it, I strongly urge you to play it a bit on Newgrounds first.

Gungriffon Geona · Post by **Gungriffon Geona** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 1:40 am

I never had any problems with Alien Hominid. the only time I had issues with it was the cube boss near the end of the game. that was incredibly fucking painful and took forever to grasp. the rest of the game was a fucking blast and I never once had issues with bullets not being noticeable. (the final boss is rediculously fun.)

FRO · Post by **FRO** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:36 pm

I still need to pick up Radio Allergy and Alien Hominid - I'm so behind

Oh well, the wife got me a PSP and original Xbox (finally!) for Christmas this year, so I can't feel too bad about it!

Sonic R · Post by **Sonic R** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:22 pm

professor ganson wrote:
RackGaki wrote:Is Space Raiders worth it? I haven't read many good things about it.

Otherwise, you people are starting to describe my Gamecube collection. Couple of really sweet games on that system.
Might be worth $10 to satisfy your curiosity. It's not terrible for a quick game here and there, but it has very little style or substance to speak of.

I think the game is actually a bit under $10… I think I paid $7.99 plus 10% off for gamestop membership at the time.

But just as the professor stated, it is a fair game, good for moment but is very thin and does indeed lack substance. Could be better and could have been worse. but for the price, no complains

exquisite_torture · Post by **exquisite_torture** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 7:35 pm

Killer 7's deinitely influenced by Sin and Punishment's mechanics. If PN:03's allowed, then so should Killer 7.

Jockel · Post by **Jockel** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 7:40 pm

exquisite_torture wrote:If PN:03's allowed, then so should Killer 7.

Well i think PN03 fits a little better in the shmup category.
But good call, Killer 7 is still one of the motherfucking
best games of all time

dhowerter · Post by **dhowerter** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:53 am

Man, this is a great thread ^_^

OK Space Raiders, Alien Hominid, PN 03 to consider so far.

Any OTHER Gamecube: (import or domestic)

2D shmups? (2D as in gameplay)

OR

3D rail shooters?

OR

Top down shooters? (think Ikari Warriors, Shock Troopers or even Neo Contra)

OR

heck any good games on Gamecube (import or domestic) you'd like to recommend that involve SHOOTING?

*OR* Any of the above types of games in COMPILATIONS?

(besides Midway Arcade Treasures 1, 2, and 3, Namco Museum 50th Anniversary and Intellivision Lives!)

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Octopod · Post by **Octopod** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 2:09 pm

Did they make the Capcom classic collections and Taito legends comps for GC? If so get those, definitly worth it.

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 5:02 pm

Octopod wrote:Did they make the Capcom classic collections and Taito legends comps for GC? If so get those, definitly worth it.

No, neither of those are on GCN. Aside from the compilations mentioned, there's also the non 50th Namco Museum. Not a lot of shmups, but it does have the original Galaga Arrangement.

Viewtiful Joe is a nice puzzle/action game with beat 'em up-ish elements and a couple of shmup stages.

dhowerter · Post by **dhowerter** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 4:48 pm

Jockel wrote:There's a lot to love.
When you start the game, you have to manually hammer the A-button shot for shot. That's totally awesome to get the adrenaline pumping.

(About PN 03 btw)

Er.. I should think that if you're focusing on dancing around like a maniac dodging enemy fire, you would not want to be seismically shaking the controller by constant hammering of the A button

SO 2 questions about PN 03:

1. Is there at least the OPTION of Rapid Fire? ^_^

2. ALSO, can you use the D-PAD to move instead of the analog stick in
PN 03?
(I really want to know this - I'm a D-pad person ^_^)

No, neither of those are on GCN. Aside from the compilations mentioned, there's also the non 50th Namco Museum. Not a lot of shmups, but it does have the original Galaga Arrangement.

Wait, you mean the normal Namco Museum (NON 50th Anniversary) has Galaga Arrangement?

What IS Galaga Arrangement exactly? (never heard of it)

Also, is it available from the start on Namco Museum GC or do you have to unlock it somehow? (and if yes, how?)

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Jockel · Post by **Jockel** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 1:59 pm

dhowerter wrote:SO 2 questions about PN 03:

1. Is there at least the OPTION of Rapid Fire? ^_^

2. ALSO, can you use the D-PAD to move instead of the analog stick in
PN 03?
(I really want to know this - I'm a D-pad person ^_^)

1. Yeah, you have to buy it later for your Aegis suit.
That's why i wrote "when you start the game"

2. Unfortunately the D-Pad is used to pull off special moves, so you have to use the stick to run. But imo it's ok, because this game doesn't require
pixel-perfect precision like a 2D Shooter.

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Sat Dec 27, 2008 5:40 pm

dhowerter wrote: Wait, you mean the normal Namco Museum (NON 50th Anniversary) has Galaga Arrangement?

What IS Galaga Arrangement exactly? (never heard of it)

Also, is it available from the start on Namco Museum GC or do you have to unlock it somehow? (and if yes, how?)

That's what I said (and check google or youtube and you'll see I'm correct). Galaga Arrangement is an updated version of Galaga with some fancy formations that was originally released in the arcades with updated versions of Xevious (which is in Xevious 3D/G+) and Mappy. Galaga Arrangement is available from the start (the only unlockables are Pac-Attack and Pac-Mania). There is also a completely different Galaga Arrangement in Namco Museum Battle for PSP.

One thing I don't like about the collection for GCN is that the maximum size is a slight bit too small and doesn't capture the detail of the arcade (even on a bigger screen).

There are some videos of it on you tube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob3c_9pC ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk9C8iIj ... re=related

Pac-Man arrangement in Namco Museum GCN:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nv-XPbww ... re=related

Dig Dug Arrangement in Namco Museum GCN:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_GM7J4n ... re=related

dhowerter · Post by **dhowerter** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:51 pm

BrianC wrote:
dhowerter wrote: Wait, you mean the normal Namco Museum (NON 50th Anniversary) has Galaga Arrangement?

What IS Galaga Arrangement exactly? (never heard of it)

Also, is it available from the start on Namco Museum GC or do you have to unlock it somehow? (and if yes, how?)
That's what I said (and check google or youtube and you'll see I'm correct). Galaga Arrangement is an updated version of Galaga with some fancy formations that was originally released in the arcades with updated versions of Xevious (which is in Xevious 3D/G+) and Mappy. Galaga Arrangement is available from the start (the only unlockables are Pac-Attack and Pac-Mania). There is also a completely different Galaga Arrangement in Namco Museum Battle for PSP.

One thing I don't like about the collection for GCN is that the maximum size is a slight bit too small and doesn't capture the detail of the arcade (even on a bigger screen).

There are some videos of it on you tube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob3c_9pC ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk9C8iIj ... re=related

Pac-Man arrangement in Namco Museum GCN:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nv-XPbww ... re=related

Dig Dug Arrangement in Namco Museum GCN:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_GM7J4n ... re=related

Question:
So is Mappy Arrangement and Xevious Arrangement on Namco Museum (Gamecube) or on Gamecube at all in another game?

Those do look nice ^_^ (especially Pac-Man even if he doesn't actually SHOOT anything

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dhowerter · Post by **dhowerter** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:13 pm

Anyone know the answer to the question in my December 29th post?

(Mappy Arrangement and Xevious Arrangement's console versions - on Gamecube? and other systems?)

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BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 8:02 pm

dhowerter wrote:Anyone know the answer to the question in my December 29th post?

(Mappy Arrangement and Xevious Arrangement's console versions - on Gamecube? and other systems?)

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I mentioned in my previous post that Xevious Arrangement is in Xevious 3D/G+ for PS1 (the only home version) and was released in an arcade machine with Mappy and Galaga arrangements. Mappy Arrangement is arcade only, no home version.

Here is the complete list of games in the non 50th Namco Museum for GCN/Xbox/PS2:

# Pac-Man
# Pac-Man Arrangement
# Galaga
# Galaga Arrangement
# Dig Dug
# Dig Dug Arrangement
# Pole Position
# Pole Position II
# Ms. Pac-Man
# Galaxian
# Pac-Attack
# Pac-Mania

Also, here is a screen from the PS2, which shows you how messed up the game's display is (it's from Dig Dug Arrangement, but it shows the problems with upscaled and filtered collections that display the game smaller than it should display it, even on big screens. GCN has the same issues and I'm guessing the Xbox one does too):
http://ps2.ign.com/dor/objects/17299/na ... mco_2.html

trivial · Post by **trivial** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 4:43 am

BrianC: the non-anniversary Namco Collection for GCN has three selectable zoom levels.

Scaling is less problematic than the restriction to interlacing, IMO. Sound emulation is free of lag that plagues, say, the Midway collections.

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 6:57 am

trivial wrote:BrianC: the non-anniversary Namco Collection for GCN has three selectable zoom levels.

I know this full well, and it's exactly why I said the size is too small. Even the largest zoom level is smaller than it should be. I was referring to the restriction to interlacing when I mentioned that it was upscaled and filtered (it's also why I specifically chose that screenshot). I didn't mention this, but the graphics also look distorted in Namco Museum GCN, even on the largest setting (and this was tested with s-video and component).

heavymetalme · Post by **heavymetalme** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 7:25 am

...and 1000 questions later, the Gamecube is still useless compared to many other home consoles.

yojo! · Post by **yojo!** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 8:48 am

heavymetalme wrote:...and 1000 questions later, the Gamecube is still useless compared to many other home consoles.

Actually I still use quite a bit with for the gameboy player and couple of cool gamecube games (namco, megaman collections). With the SNES style controller it's a pretty cheap retro console.

ex.machina · Post by **ex.machina** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:58 pm

heavymetalme wrote:...and 1000 questions later, the Gamecube is still useless compared to many other home consoles.

Haven't connected mine for ages. The Wii can play Cube games, but there's also a big pile of dust lying on my Wii already, just not my type of "console". Mostly using PS3 (I still have the old model that also plays PS2 games) and 360.