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power UP wrote:This is one of the reasons I want to be able to stand on my own feet and work from home. Being my own boss/freelance contractor. Probably won't pay as much as a steady job at a big company, but I'll have more freedom. At least thats what I hope it will be like :roll:
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Probably won't pay as much? Oh boy are you in for a surprise. Since you'll be starting out just out of school you'll be operating on the extreme base floor of contracting. Therefore you'll get passed up for the best contracting work. You're going to get the worst customers too: Customers that never pay on time, customers that can't pay you at all, unrealistic standards, low work load, and an extremely heavy work load that threatens to swamp your company.

Will you need to hire help? Good luck, the most reliable and most skilled programmers don't want to work for what they view as a fly by night business. You will have to rely on interns, entry level types, and the dregs of the industry. Thus you'll be be doing well over half the programming work in addition to management and other duties. Did I mention that whether or not your customers pay you, your workers will still expect to get paid in addition to other benefits?

All that being said. I've seen some contractors and consultants that are extremely successful. Most of them drive BMWs while one drives a ferrari to work everyday. The problem is that there are so many contractors and consultants that I've seen that living day to day. They usually have another job in addition to doing freelance work.
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RGC wrote:(top secret info)
i've been through it twice, and now know far too much about redundancy payments and the insolvency act for someone my age. first time was on my birthday, and i was still living at home at this point. i just told my mum that i took a couple of days off, couldn't really face up to it straight away. got fucked over because it was (at that time) 1 weeks pay per year, but only for years over the age of 20. second time out, i was two weeks shy of working there for the necessary two years continuous employment to qualify for statutory redundancy, and only received 3 days holiday pay (by cheque, about 8 weeks after the fact) and zero warning. and by the look of it, i'm gonna go through it again for a third time in january, unless i can find work in the meanwhile, or a miracle happens. worst comes to the worst, i can cover about 5-6 months worth of bills without working. but then i wouldn't be able to buy cave boards 8)

tl;dr working for small companies doesn't provide much job security

goodluck dude. and if you have any specific questions or anything about what you're entitled to or how much to expect etc, feel free to pm me :)
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Went to the help desk position and I'm thinking about not taking it even if they want me. I don't feel like being in a job that I know I will hate. I just found something Cisco related I think I could do, and I'm waiting for a call back.
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UnscathedFlyingObject wrote:Went to the help desk position and I'm thinking about not taking it even if they want me. I don't feel like being in a job that I know I will hate. I just found something Cisco related I think I could do, and I'm waiting for a call back.
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The n00b wrote:
UnscathedFlyingObject wrote:Went to the help desk position and I'm thinking about not taking it even if they want me. I don't feel like being in a job that I know I will hate. I just found something Cisco related I think I could do, and I'm waiting for a call back.
Good luck UFO! Win one for all us network guys.
You too! I take you're still looking for Cisco or telecom jobs, right? My cousin was telling me the Unix guys are almost always "weird." Like in a little crazy.

Edit: it's not like there's a shortage of demand for Cisco engineers. People just want really experienced engineers. When you're at the CCIE levels, "jobs look for you", as one of my co-workers liked to say.
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The n00b wrote:
power UP wrote:This is one of the reasons I want to be able to stand on my own feet and work from home. Being my own boss/freelance contractor. Probably won't pay as much as a steady job at a big company, but I'll have more freedom. At least thats what I hope it will be like :roll:
(Currently @ UNI for computer science)
Probably won't pay as much? Oh boy are you in for a surprise.


Wow you seem to know a lot. But I guess I'll be fine. I don't have that high standards really, just need a flat and internet. :lol:

http://www.empornium.us/jobdesc2.php <- Probably my dreamjob right there. Still lacking the skills though :oops:
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power UP wrote:http://www.empornium.us/jobdesc2.php <- Probably my dreamjob right there. Still lacking the skills though :oops:
I looked at this text and saw "dreamjob" and a link to some site called empornium and was forced to stop and wonder what skills you could possibly be lacking...
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My cousin was telling me the Unix guys are almost always "weird."
It's a mixed bag. I think I'm the exception. When I go out partying w/ guys from work, I'm probably more firendly w/ strangers than anyone... and I'm "the IT guy".
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GaijinPunch wrote:
My cousin was telling me the Unix guys are almost always "weird."
It's a mixed bag. I think I'm the exception. When I go out partying w/ guys from work, I'm probably more firendly w/ strangers than anyone... and I'm "the IT guy".
Is it true that their beards are the source of their Unix powers?
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The n00b wrote: Is it true that their beards are the source of their Unix powers?
I hope not since I got rid of mine a long time ago. Although tonight I will be sporting the 5 o'clock shadow b/c it's freezing fucking cold when I get out of the shower, and my wife won't put out if I clog up the shower drain again. In her defense, it does get rather disgusting.
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Just had my unemployment insurance claim in. First week is unpaid so if any of you find yourselves pink-slipped get that paperwork in ASAP. I lost my first week 'cause I was like, "I'll be back to work in two weeks." Get over the shock pronto and get some cash while you sit on your ass looking for jobs.

It's kind of ironic that I get back some of all that money the government has taxed me and that money is taxable :lol:. It seems like the darn government doesn't lose any opportunity to tax people.
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zero warning and zero payout, i'm now out of a job :(
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jpj wrote:zero warning and zero payout, i'm now out of a job :(
ICK! sorry to hear that dude
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jpj wrote:zero warning and zero payout, i'm now out of a job :(
shitty news buddy.....good luck in the hunt :D
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This topick will only continue to get longer as the rescue efforts fail, the economic collapse becomes total, and we're all forced into the drug trade and sex slavery by the petty warlords who rise to fill the power vacuum after the nuclear holocaust

Great Depression times five coming, buy a gun
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Time to visit the local NFA dealer!!
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Neon wrote:Great Depression times five coming, buy a gun
I just love it how 'people' start to show more solidarity once shit hits the fan.
Arm yourself against the poor individuals that got shit out of our 'asociety' or you could become one yourself.
Under no circumstance point to the real wrongdoers or you might lose all your privileges that, ofcourse, you've fully earned.
But then again it is much easier to kick helpless people then it is to kick selfmade criminals (read businessmen and politicians) cause they won't be able to kick back as much.
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If there's a guy trying to bust through my door, I'd no doubt fill him full of holes.
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Well I took a tiny paycut but I did manage to find another job in the telecom field. It was rough going for two months though. Basically the only advice I can offer is to let everyone, no matter how distant an acquaintance, know that you've been laid off. Try to do right by everyone you encounter at your job. You never know when you've impacted a customer so much that he'll actually remember you when he encounters you again while on a job hunt. Luckily it was a positive impact in my case, and it went a long way to getting me a new job.
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