4 more years. 4 more years.Never_Scurred wrote:Is it 2012 yet?I'm Alec wrote:Be happy you can never have Sarah Palin as a (v)President
Be Happy You didn't Get Palin as (Vice) President
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Hold on there... according to that article, those guys aren't saying they made up the Africa story. They're just saying they falsely claimed to be the source of the leak.RackGaki wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/13/arts/ ... ax.html?em
Confirmation bias.
Some of you will believe anything so long as it agrees with your personal worldview.
The article said: "The pranksters behind Eisenstadt acknowledge that he was not, through them, the anonymous source of the Palin leak. He just claimed falsely that he was the leaker--and they say they have no reason to cast doubt on the original story. For its part, Fox News Channel continues to stand behind its story."
Not only that, but Palin had already responded to the Africa claims with this:
"If there are allegations based on questions or comments that I made in debate prep about NAFTA, and about the continent versus the country when we talk about Africa there, then those were taken out of context."
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In fact with her response "about the continent versus the country when we talk about Africa there" it's not too clear, but it appears she's still confused. It seems as if she still thinks that Africa is a country as well as being a continent. Maybe she is confusing it with Australia.
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You're still reading something and letting it confirm your personal beliefs without fact checking. You never bothered asking my position on anything, and I never bothered pointing out the difference between the facts and the conjecture.
Edit for clarity.
Ceph pointed out why the ambiguity didn't matter (i.e. the fucking point). You... just feel antisocial, I suppose.
Edit for clarity.
Ceph pointed out why the ambiguity didn't matter (i.e. the fucking point). You... just feel antisocial, I suppose.
Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most.
Actually I know of one person who voted in the primary for McCain, thinking it would be a closer race than the Clinton/Obama primary. Come election time they were voting for McCain, however.Koa Zo wrote:Rush Limbaugh was just proclaiming that the Republicans were not able to choose their candidate for this election.
He is purporting that the "Media" and Democrats chose McCain by .... well, I didn't quite grasp his lack of substantive points...
In any case, sure, you can look at any type of strategic voting and then say "OMG LUK WHUT THEY DID"!@! " but of course it probably had no measurable effect. Open primaries are essential because they give you the chance to vote against screwball candidates...although at this point I wonder if Huckabee would've been worse than McCain, really ;)
Good thing you were smart and recognized that the Palin story is still real, right? ;) This hoaxer wasn't the source. I guess the Eisenstadt crew decided to be bi-partisan, but damn if this won't confuse people. It doesn't confuse me but I also didn't read the whole thing the first time through and missed a vital point.
Also, lol I recognize a ton of those hoaxes, like the Wurzelbacher = Keating relative one. Funny shit, good thing I smelled BS first time up.
p.s. Africa is not a continent, it is a #1 single.
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Sorry you lost skepticism, Ed, I didn't know you trusted anonymous Fox News sources so much. 
While Eitan Gorlin and Dan Mirvish may believe this source, that doesn't make it true - does it? He has started a career of causing confusion among various media outlets. He's never done anything terribly bi-partisan - his blog was set up to embarass right-wing fundies, quite simply. This last lie had to be pulled back because the possibility of slander could damage a future career. I do pause when I consider the ineptitude of the McCain campaign to not out this story first, since two days passed until Gorlin and Mirvish rescinded blame for the Palin assertions.
While Sarah Palin is not only a stupid and inept politician (as Ceph laid out with other reputable sources), I find it perplexing that she is also incapable of learning that Africa is a continent in two month's time. Believing that she never learned that Africa has countries during her years of schooling is a stretch in the first place. Being a crazy, right-wing fundamentalist is one thing, but believing she's either got Alzheimer's or is a literal mental retard is a whole new leap of faith.
So we all believe the anonymous sources Fox News reporter Carl Cameron cited are decisively accurate?
I'm simply skeptical.

While Eitan Gorlin and Dan Mirvish may believe this source, that doesn't make it true - does it? He has started a career of causing confusion among various media outlets. He's never done anything terribly bi-partisan - his blog was set up to embarass right-wing fundies, quite simply. This last lie had to be pulled back because the possibility of slander could damage a future career. I do pause when I consider the ineptitude of the McCain campaign to not out this story first, since two days passed until Gorlin and Mirvish rescinded blame for the Palin assertions.
While Sarah Palin is not only a stupid and inept politician (as Ceph laid out with other reputable sources), I find it perplexing that she is also incapable of learning that Africa is a continent in two month's time. Believing that she never learned that Africa has countries during her years of schooling is a stretch in the first place. Being a crazy, right-wing fundamentalist is one thing, but believing she's either got Alzheimer's or is a literal mental retard is a whole new leap of faith.
So we all believe the anonymous sources Fox News reporter Carl Cameron cited are decisively accurate?
I'm simply skeptical.
Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most.
I'd like to say you just got pranked into thinking I'm senile, but what really happened is you were gunning to make a read on this that you shouldn't have. Not a mea culpa in my view: Yes, this story is still real: as alleged by Fox News, some anonymous person with the McCain camp volunteered this claim. Whether their story is real is what is at issue.RackGaki wrote:Sorry you lost skepticism, Ed, I didn't know you trusted anonymous Fox News sources so much. :)
I'm betting Palin stumbled at some point, and some fed-up person spun it. That said, in the high-stakes national political pasttime you'd best have the answer right the first time.
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No, but Gorlin and Mirvish pretending to be the source (and later admitting they weren't) doesn't make the original story false either.RackGaki wrote:While Eitan Gorlin and Dan Mirvish may believe this source, that doesn't make it true - does it?
What exactly do you mean when you say "Gorlin and Mirvish rescinded blame for the Palin assertions"? And when you refer to "this last lie", what in your view is the lie?This last lie had to be pulled back because the possibility of slander could damage a future career. I do pause when I consider the ineptitude of the McCain campaign to not out this story first, since two days passed until Gorlin and Mirvish rescinded blame for the Palin assertions.
Is that what the unnamed source said? Unless I'm mistaken, the story as reported reported by Fox News wasn't that she couldn't learn ithat Africa isn't a country, but that it appeared she was initially unaware of this fact.I find it perplexing that she is also incapable of learning that Africa is a continent in two month's time.