STGT08: Criticism and what to do next year

Dremark · Post by **Dremark** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:14 am

Personally I think the idea of only announcing the theme and leaving teh shortlist off until voting is a good idea. Maybe even limit the voting to 2 or 3 days to reduce pre-practicing.

I'd also prefer if more games were put in the running, I think previous years had like 5 games in the running each week. Unless I'm mistaken each game won in a complete landslide this year, so having some more choices would probably make it a little less obvious which game was going to win.

MR_Soren · Post by **MR_Soren** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:26 pm

Have a Cave week every year. That way, the Cave fans get to play a Cave game each year, and the Cave games won't eliminate other popular choices by sharing the same week.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 3:45 pm

how about getting rid of cave games next year

not a serious post but a lot of the cave library has been played out in style and all we got left for stgt is lol dodonpachi

MX7 · Post by **MX7** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 3:57 pm

I'm up for ditching all Cave games next year, and maybe the year after that too. 40% of the games we played this year were by Cave, which was a bit much. In two or so years time, maybe something new will be emulated. Who knows.

MR_Soren · Post by **MR_Soren** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 6:18 pm

I don't mind ditching all Cave games, but a lot of people seem to want to play them. I figure having a Cave week is a good compromise.

spineshark · Post by **spineshark** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:39 pm

MR_Soren wrote:Have a Cave week every year. That way, the Cave fans get to play a Cave game each year, and the Cave games won't eliminate other popular choices by sharing the same week.

The Cave fans can learn to live with disappointment too, just like the guys who wanted RFJ two years in a row

MX7 · Post by **MX7** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:58 pm

The Cave fans have had more Cave than they can shake a stick at. I consider myself a Cave fan, and even after just one tourney, I'm pretty tired of Cave games, and prob will be for a while.

szycag · Post by **szycag** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:53 pm

So I don't even care about it so much now, but it's like your girlfriend wants you to make a mix cd for some B&G except she's like don't put Prince that's so typical and I've heard all the songs too many times.

NO PRINCE?!

It would be funny if teams didn't want people to vote for a certain game, if they started making mudslinging topics like "What do you REALLY know about DoDonPachi?" Did you know you'll have to learn to chain nearly every attack pattern til the end of the stage? Just how many bees are you willing to chain just for a little heads up to your competitors? DoDonPachi doesn't give a shit about you and your 12 hour a day work schedule. Vote Strikers II.

Paid for by The Commission Against Cave, Treasure, Raizing and Milestone (TCACTRM)

lgb · Post by **lgb** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:27 pm

The reason why everyone wants to play Dodonpachi is because a lot of the shmups players (mainly newer players) seem to have it stuck in their head that Cave is the only good thing going for shmups anymore.

The reason why everyone doesn't want to play Dodonpachi is because a lot of the shmups players (mainly Raizing, Seibu, and Psikyo players) seem to have it stuck in their head that too many people want to play Cave constantly.

Or something like that.

You could have a all-doujin stgt next year and see how it works out. Or, you could take third_strike up on his idea. Or something else. Choices, choices, eh?

Or maybe you could all wait for 2009 to worry about 2009.

Ravid · Post by **Ravid** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:35 pm

Here's a crazy idea: why don't we vote for the game we LEAST want to play that week. Judging by the amount of complaining, that's at least a topic people feel passionate about, so we could expect better voter turnout. This also has the effect that, unless the nominees are particularly bad, said complaining is kept to a minimum.
Of course, this would work worse the more different options we have, so with this it would be best to keep it to 3.

My thinking behind this is as follows: if you really like a game, you'll vote for it if it comes up in STGT (in the current format). But then, if you really like the game, you'll play it anyway outside of STGT. The idea of STGT is to get people playing games they might not usually play; but on the other hand, no one wants to play a crap game, so with this system they can say: I'm not playing that shit, but I'll give either of the other two a shot.

dmzach · Post by **dmzach** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:37 pm

play battle garegga (or any rizing game)

lgb · Post by **lgb** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:41 pm

@Ravid: That's kinda what I was going to do, 'cept without voting. Hohum.

spineshark · Post by **spineshark** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:42 pm

Attack ads on DDP would be useless, anybody who doesn't think scoring is a pain in the ass is beyond help

lilmanjs · Post by **lilmanjs** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:45 pm

you guys should really have a remakes/hacks week next year. that would be fun to play some hacks, or games that have been remade like strikers 1999.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 12:40 am

Rob wrote:Fuzzy Shooting

Axelay ftw!

(P_HAT + Rob ftw as well)

Next year we should have a Day of Defeat: Source tournament, 'cuz I'm getting that in about a week and I'll need some achievements. First up the hill gets all the poin- IS A LOSER

CStarFlare · Post by **CStarFlare** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:57 am

Ravid wrote:The idea of STGT is to get people playing games they might not usually play;

I thought it was a tournament where you tried to win like in a tournament.

I was unaware that the purpose was to have a shmup equivalent of a book club.

Arvandor · Post by **Arvandor** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 3:55 am

It depends largely on how good you are, I think.

The good players play to win.

The bad players play for ... book club =)

I'm a terrible player, so I enjoy the excuse to try out games I wouldn't otherwise, and while sometimes I wish I'd kept it that way, sometimes I'm also pleasantly surprised.

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:43 am

CStarFlare wrote: I was unaware that the purpose was to have a shmup equivalent of a book club.

Ravid · Post by **Ravid** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:48 am

CStarFlare wrote: I was unaware that the purpose was to have a shmup equivalent of a book club.

Well now you are aware. (

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szycag · Post by **szycag** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:17 am

Arvandor's got it right I think, ideally it can be all things to all players. You have to decide if you're in it for book club or fight club. The people who get pissed off are the ones who try to have it both ways I think.

moozooh · Post by **moozooh** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 2:50 pm

Ravid wrote:Here's a crazy idea: why don't we vote for the game we LEAST want to play that week.

That's the less flexible version of my idea left here without comments.

szycag · Post by **szycag** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 2:58 pm

Negative votes would be a cool experiment. Would be hilarious if people put Raiden 1 or something in the hole. Ha! I'm for that...

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 3:29 pm

I'll be putting something else in their holes if we see more Cave next year

although I'd play Dodonpachi, sure

Ravid · Post by **Ravid** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 3:55 pm

moozooh wrote:
Ravid wrote:Here's a crazy idea: why don't we vote for the game we LEAST want to play that week.
That's the less flexible version of my idea left here without comments.

Didn't spot that one, sorry... I like your version better.

Enhasa · Post by **Enhasa** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:15 pm

"Vote for any number of games" is identical when the number of choices is 3, and more flexible when it's greater than 3.

Ravid · Post by **Ravid** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:39 pm

That said, if you have positive and negative voting, negative voting would be seldom used since it wouldn't make sense for competitive players to do that. The same goes for voting for more than one game.

lgb · Post by **lgb** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:47 pm

Why don't we just play DDP next year, so all the Cave games can be played and all the Cave hate/Cave fanboyism will at least start to come down?

From the looks of it, the PGM games won't be emulated for quite some time. Let's just eliminate a main component of all this postcount+x.