Ketsui for DS?!

Zweihander · Post by **Zweihander** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 11:16 pm

P_HAT wrote:
Zweihander wrote:
GaijinPunch wrote: DVD
I don't care about it; if I wanted to watch it that badly, I could simply download the torrent.
If you need some beer you just go and steal it?
Awesome idea man.

P.S. well, i use rom too, but if game get US realeas i will grab it with no doubt

Beer is worth paying for.

A downloadable superplay video isn't.

Zweihander · Post by **Zweihander** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 11:17 pm

Jockel wrote:
Zweihander wrote:Just like all the Cavefags stating this game deserves to be bought by blah blah blah random stuff
Thanks for pointing that out! i didn't even know that i am a homesexual until i bla bla bla random lolrandom

Interesting.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 11:38 pm

Zweihander wrote:KETSUI DS KILLED MY FAMILY

Zweihander · Post by **Zweihander** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 12:48 am

Twiddle wrote:
Zweihander wrote:KETSUI DS KILLED MY FAMILY

No, CHAOS FIELD killed my family. Ketsui DS just sort of pissed on their charred remains. Meanwhile, I stood in the background and yelled "UNCLE OWEN?! AUNT BEREAU!?"

MX7 · Post by **MX7** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 12:49 am

LaserGun wrote:Worst thing about Ketsui Death Label is: "YEEEEEAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHH"

When this game was at casino, I actually was embarrassed to ply it for this reason

Minzoku · Post by **Minzoku** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 1:19 am

I told Kiken the anime guy looks just like a friend of ours.

Also, I can't see anything through all the boxes

so I'm accidentally abusing Auto-Bomb...

kengou · Post by **kengou** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 1:26 am

I see on Play-Asia that the superplay DVD is region 2 encoded? Does that mean it won't work on american DVD players?

Zweihander · Post by **Zweihander** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 1:32 am

kengou wrote:I see on Play-Asia that the superplay DVD is region 2 encoded? Does that mean it won't work on american DVD players?

No, it's obviously region-free. It was made in Hong Kong, of course. Why would they make a Japanese superplay DVD in Japan of all places?

brokenhalo · Post by **brokenhalo** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 3:08 am

kengou wrote:I see on Play-Asia that the superplay DVD is region 2 encoded? Does that mean it won't work on american DVD players?

you might be able to make your dvd player region free through a hidden service menu. search your dvd players model number and "region free" and see if you can find anything.

Warp_Rattler · Post by **Warp_Rattler** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 3:56 am

If that doesn't work you can always look into changing the region on your PC's DVD drive and then play it through something like Media Player Classic. In Windows XP, go into the Device Manager and right-click on your DVD drive. Select Properties and there should be a tab for changing the drive's region. Note that you can only change the drive region 4 times until it stays locked in the last region, so this wouldn't be a good idea if you regularly watch Region 1 DVDs on your PC. Some drives have utilities that allow you to reset the number of remaining changes, though; these can be found by Googling your drive's model number along with "region change" or something similar.

iatneH · Post by **iatneH** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 8:25 am

I think there are a couple of options for those with Region 1 drives:

1. Rip the VOB files using DVD Decrypter and play them using DVD player software

2. Rip the disc to ISO, mount in a virtual drive and play using DVD player software (will have menus etc. unlike above)

3. Install and run AnyDVD, then just play in a DVD player software

Taylor · Post by **Taylor** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:02 am

henry dark wrote:
brokenhalo wrote:actually, it makes total sense. someone had to work to make that beer. someone had to work to make ketsui ds. just because it is now a file on your computer doesn't make it any less tangible or worth any less. you stole the game (or in this made-up case, the superplay), despite the lies you'll tell yourself. the law is very clear on this.
This is completely inaccurate.

Anyway, I still don't know why there are no stages, but its a fun game. Hopefully decent sales will encourage companies to look into releasing versions of other shooters into the DS. While not the perfect platform, I do think the DS is capable of making very playable shooters that would be great for quick 5-10 minute bursts here and there on a work break, while waiting for someone in a cafe etc.

It's a bad analogy, but retailers/developers/publishers lose money. It's not a victimless crime because nothing physical changes hands. And you're not going to see the decent sales needed for the other shooters if everyone downloads it.

Ah, not this again.

seiatsu · Post by **seiatsu** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:25 am

Warp_Rattler wrote:If that doesn't work you can always look into changing the region on your PC's DVD drive and then play it through something like Media Player Classic. In Windows XP, go into the Device Manager and right-click on your DVD drive. Select Properties and there should be a tab for changing the drive's region. Note that you can only change the drive region 4 times until it stays locked in the last region, so this wouldn't be a good idea if you regularly watch Region 1 DVDs on your PC. Some drives have utilities that allow you to reset the number of remaining changes, though; these can be found by Googling your drive's model number along with "region change" or something similar.

Or if you don't want to get locked into a region, you can use VLC player on your PC. Nothing fancy to do. Just install the player and the DVD is playable without getting your region locked after four changes.

(VLC is good to have anyway because it play virtually any video requiring any codec)

henry dark · Post by **henry dark** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 1:31 pm

Taylor wrote: It's a bad analogy, but retailers/developers/publishers lose money.

Hypothetically. What if I had no intention of buying it?

I downloaded it, but I bought it retail too. The box is just too nice to open

I wish they didn't include the life increase thing, it breaks the game.

Necronom · Post by **Necronom** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 2:16 pm

cody wrote:
Necronom wrote: Copying is NOT stealing (taking away from somebody), no matter much you twist it.
Copying stuff you don't have the rights to is NOT legally, morally, or ethically defensible, no matter how much you twist it.

Maybe you should read my post again. Not defending it in any way but the common misapprehension that downloading something illegaly equals stealing something is simply wrong...especially legally.

And yes brokenhalo, the law is clear on this...though not the way you meant it. One product is still there and can be sold while the other one is gone (stolen). Already guessed which one is which or still confused?

Funny thing here is that if Ketsui would be out on the PS2 or at least emulated this DS package would sell better.

adversity1 · Post by **adversity1** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 2:45 pm

I bought the game but will not demonize downloading.

The game is in Japanese ffs, and the best and funniest parts of it are thus completely inaccessible to western players. Plus, in the west you have the important institution of _renting_ games, which you can't even do with games imported from Japan.

But if you downloaded it at least don't shit talk it.

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 4:46 pm

People aren't allowed to dislike their rentals, guys.

Style-0 · Post by **Style-0** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 6:34 pm

Can someone clarify on the scoring issue, does it make the complete game (all modes) impossible to play for score or what is the main concern.

Warp_Rattler · Post by **Warp_Rattler** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 7:22 pm

Necronom wrote: Maybe you should read my post again. Not defending it in any way but the common misapprehension that downloading something illegaly equals stealing something is simply wrong...especially legally.

And yes brokenhalo, the law is clear on this...though not the way you meant it. One product is still there and can be sold while the other one is gone (stolen). Already guessed which one is which or still confused?

Actually, this isn't quite true. Intellectual property doesn't follow quite the same logic as tangible physical property does. No, you didn't lift a physical copy of e.g. Windows XP off of store shelves, but you are enjoying the benefits of the use of the software that would only otherwise come with a legitimate purchase (or a handful of other scenarios not relevant to the discussion). The tricky thing in the past 10 years or so has been figuring out how software/MP3s/etc. fit into traditional legal models concerning theft. The overwhelming legal precedent, however, is still that downloading material you haven't purchased a license to is theft, plain and simple. The RIAA has pretty much seen to that precedent concerning music, and most major countries in the world have laws concerning software piracy.

I'm not pointing fingers, demonizing, or getting up on a holier-than-thou cloud; it's just that as someone mentioned above there is NO legal or ethical justification for this sort of thing whatsoever. Again, not that you're a bad man if you do so, it's just disingenuous to claim there's nothing wrong with it from a legal standpoint.

seiatsu wrote: Or if you don't want to get locked into a region, you can use VLC player on your PC. Nothing fancy to do. Just install the player and the DVD is playable without getting your region locked after four changes.

Is VLC able to overcome Windows' native DVD region coding as well? That was my understanding as far as playing DVDs on a Windows PC goes--you had to either have DVD software expecting a certain region (or essentially region-free, e.g. Media Player Classic) and then you had to set the region of the DVD drive as well. Does VLC allow you to get around the drive region issue?

seiatsu wrote: (VLC is good to have anyway because it play virtually any video requiring any codec)

That was my reasoning for MPC, actually. Grabbing it as a part of the CCCP means I've yet to come across a file I can't play. Never was a big fan of VLC, though--there was something clunky-feeling about it whenever I tried using it. It didn't seem to have the zip of MPC.

But, uh, slightly on topic here, am I correct in my assumption that the multiplayer modes are multi-cart only?

Also, re:scoring, does having a large amount of lives really make much difference from a scoring standpoint? Someone who chews through 10 lives parked at the bottom of the screen scoring the smallest value chips is still going to have a much lower score than someone pulling 5's up in the boss's face on one life, am I right?

Zweihander · Post by **Zweihander** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 10:10 pm

adversity1 wrote:I bought the game but will not demonize downloading.

The game is in Japanese ffs, and the best and funniest parts of it are thus completely inaccessible to western players. Plus, in the west you have the important institution of _renting_ games, which you can't even do with games imported from Japan.

But if you downloaded it at least don't shit talk it.

I'm glad I downloaded it. I'm treating Ketsui: Demo Label as a free downloadable demo, so when the full game gets a home release, I'll know what to expect. (Since I buy what I deem worth my money, and a port of Ketsui in its complete, uncut form is worth $70-80 in my eyes)

It's fun and all, but definitely not enough content for $60, even with the superplay DVD included (since not everyone cares about that).

Limbrooke · Post by **Limbrooke** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 10:51 pm

Zweihander wrote:It's fun and all, but definitely not enough content for $60, even with the superplay DVD included (since not everyone cares about that).

This is something I quite disagree with. Given the market for the INH Ketsui dvd/cd set, this is a fantastic deal since the score is considerably better than what people had access to in the past and it comes with a game to boot. Not the same game but one with bares striking similarities and the name no less.

I agree with the entire argument of buy before try (or perhaps not buy altogether) in the case of this game since it was known to be primarily a boss rush but stating something as definitely not enough content for $60 as if it were fact I think is pretty obnoxious. I think for myself, not even owning a DS this would be a good buy for the dvd alone. Of course, that's just my opinion and it's likely I'll never buy this game anyway and may never see the dvd either unless it's up for sale seperately or someone makes a copy for me.

Frederik · Post by **Frederik** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 10:57 pm

Zweihander wrote:I'm treating Ketsui: Demo Label as a free downloadable demo,

Yeah, treat that bitch. Show Arika who´s boss!

joeboto · Post by **joeboto** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:14 pm

ketsui death label IS a boss rush game, with a price of a SUPERPLAY dvd. means? you get a BOSS RUSH game, AND a SUPERPLAY DVD, at a price of a superplay dvd.

wonder when people will understand that.

henry dark · Post by **henry dark** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:34 pm

joeboto wrote:ketsui death label IS a boss rush game, with a price of a SUPERPLAY dvd. means? you get a BOSS RUSH game, AND a SUPERPLAY DVD, at a price of a superplay dvd.

wonder when people will understand that.

Understand that I paid for a boss rush game that has a DVD I have no use for and will probably never watch? Why not release a bare bones version of the game (at BUDGET price, which considering the flimsy amount of content in the game, is all its worth) and then a limited edition one with the DVD?

Because he wanted to make money. Fair enough, its a business and that's what they do. Just don't pretend that the inclusion of the DVD is for any more reason than that.

Can someone clarify on the scoring issue, does it make the complete game (all modes) impossible to play for score or what is the main concern.

When you get a game over, the next time you play the course you start with an extra life (up to a max of 20 I think).

It's a mind bogglingly stupid inclusion, and makes trying to beat your last score, and anyone elses, a joke.

One way around this, is to play for score on the practice stages, where you can select 'stage' (lol) ship stock, bomb stock, difficulty etc.

Frederik · Post by **Frederik** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:46 pm

Man, it´s not like there are ten shmups coming out each month. Stuff like this game is so rare that I GLADLY pay full price for it and the DVD is a nice fanservice. I´m pretty low on money almost all the time but in this case it was a no-brainer to me. The fun I had with this game already made it more than worth it.

In the end it depends on what you think is a good value for your money. Having a portable Ketsui bossrush may not be reason enough for many people to spend a full price on this game, but for me it certainly is. But that might just be because I like the genre, I don´t know, I´m silly like that.

Zweihander · Post by **Zweihander** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:47 pm

henry dark wrote:
joeboto wrote:ketsui death label IS a boss rush game, with a price of a SUPERPLAY dvd. means? you get a BOSS RUSH game, AND a SUPERPLAY DVD, at a price of a superplay dvd.

wonder when people will understand that.
Understand that I paid for a boss rush game that has a DVD I have no use for and will probably never watch? Why not release a bare bones version of the game (at BUDGET price, which considering the flimsy amount of content in the game, is all its worth) and then a limited edition one with the DVD?

Because he wanted to make money. Fair enough, its a business and that's what they do. Just don't pretend that the inclusion of the DVD is for any more reason than that.

YES. I'm glad that other people see the light. If they released this game at an appropriate budget price (Perhaps $25 or so, at absolute most) on its own, I would have bought it. But they didn't.

I didn't pay $60 for Earth Defense 2017, I didn't pay $60 for God Hand, and I sure as hell wouldn't pay $60 for a game with even less content than either of those.

...Oh, and a "superplay DVD" that would be more useful to me as a drink coaster. Woo-hoo.

Frederik · Post by **Frederik** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:51 pm

Zweihander wrote:YES. I'm glad that other people see the light.

Praise the lord.

Zweihander · Post by **Zweihander** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:53 pm

Frederik wrote:
Zweihander wrote:YES. I'm glad that other people see the light.
Praise the lord.

Enjoy taking it up the ass from Arika.

Frederik · Post by **Frederik** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:58 pm

I did enjoy it. You seem to have a problem with people enjoy stuff it seems. You must be a fun person to be around with, I bet.

Zweihander · Post by **Zweihander** » Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:59 pm

Frederik wrote:I did enjoy it. You seem to have a problem with people enjoy stuff it seems. You must be a fun person to be around with, I bet.

No, I just have a problem with fanboys, and the people who actually paid money for this game are in the same boat with those Naruto-loving hominids who run around wearing their gay little ninja headbands.