May the Force be w/ you (Episode III Spoiler Thread)

joshschw · Post by **joshschw** » Mon May 23, 2005 9:36 pm

judesalmon wrote:
GaijinPunch wrote:I think all of you guys are high. Episode III was so redeeming. Lucas is back on the Xmas list. Was there some cheese in it? Yes. Was there in Episode IV, V, and VI? YES!
Whatever you had for breakfast, I'd like some.

why are you even in this thread. 5 negative posts from you. you didn't like it than get out.

CMoon · Post by **CMoon** » Mon May 23, 2005 10:40 pm

Bar81 wrote:Number two, is that Lucas, that piss poor excuse for a screenwriter actually did not write Empire Strikes Back. Of course, coincidentally??? it is the best of the trilogy imo.:

He didn't even write it? I knew he didn't direct it. This explain so much.

I still haven't seen ep. 3 and I will soon enough, but regardless, Lucas has proved himself over the long haul as a pretty poor director (ROTJ, Willow, Howard the Duck, Ep. 1 & 2). Having not seen episode 3 I can say firmly the only movie by him I actually like is A New Hope and I still feel like it was a fluke that sling-shot his ass to fame. Not to deny him any credit he is due, but seriously, his hit-miss ratio is worse than Disney.

Damn, I hope episode 3 is good. Then I will NEVER have to see another movie by him.

Ord · Post by **Ord** » Mon May 23, 2005 10:59 pm

Well to the films credit I must say that the opening 20 minutes are mezmerizing. Real hair tingling stuff. I did have a huge grin on my face.

Nuke · Post by **Nuke** » Tue May 24, 2005 12:32 am

I give it *** out of *****

umi · Post by **umi** » Tue May 24, 2005 6:49 am

As always, people lack objectivity. I enjoyed it. There was nothing that annoyed the fuck out of me, as in the previous two. In ep 1 it was young anakin and jar jar. In ep 2 it was lovestruck anakin and the dumbest script lines you could ever conjure up. I guess the worst thing about ep 3 was that some of the lines, especially in the saber duels, sounded VERY ACTED. Obi-wan's lines comes directly to mind :P Overall, it was a killer star wars movie.

judesalmon · Post by **judesalmon** » Tue May 24, 2005 9:04 pm

joshschw wrote:
judesalmon wrote:
GaijinPunch wrote:I think all of you guys are high. Episode III was so redeeming. Lucas is back on the Xmas list. Was there some cheese in it? Yes. Was there in Episode IV, V, and VI? YES!
Whatever you had for breakfast, I'd like some.
why are you even in this thread. 5 negative posts from you. you didn't like it than get out.

What? Are people only allowed to post on these boards if they share the same opinion as you?

What about the people who have posted more than once about how good it is? Is that acceptable to your totalarian opinion-police?

BTW, Star Wars Episode III is an awful excuse for film-making.

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Wed May 25, 2005 3:59 am

Ord wrote:I was really dissapointed with "Revenge Of The Sith". The dialog was so awful, that I found myself laughing at how dire it was. I really couldn't believe what I was hearing. Lucas even managed to fuck up the saber duel at the end with clumsy direction and to many close ups on the characters faces.
I just found episodes I-III to be a complete shambles and a sad mess, i'm just relieved that it's all over.
Ah well, i'm sure the "younglings" will love it.

Oh, that's easily fixed: In ten years, he will re-re-re-remaster the trilogy again, and will state that those awful versions never existed in his mind.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2004-09-22

Minzoku · Post by **Minzoku** » Wed May 25, 2005 12:37 pm

No, really, the movie was "decent," but nothing spectacular. Things like Yoda climbing on Chewbacca was cute and his "Don't even bother" force blast was cute, but overall Yoda, especially, seemed to have been beefed up specifically for Eps. 2 and 3, just to appease the naysayers.

Minus: "I'm beautiful because I'm so in LOVE!" "No, you're beautiful because I'm so in love with YOU."

*hurl*

Plus: "You're breaking my heart!" ...I had to admit, that was a great scene.

Minus: Lightsabre duels = Ooo! A rave up close!

Plus: As I said, the "Duel on floating platforms" really looked like it'd be cool, but from there it was over really fast... erm, half-plus.

The movie ends on a "not ending" note, which merely emphasizes my original hypothesis that Lucas threw any ideas that the series was designed to be watched IN ORDER [1-6, not 4-6 then 1-3] out the window long ago.

The best part was the preview for Narnia--literally, I almost cried when I saw it

Mrawr!

Didn't hate Star Wars Final, didn't love it. Could've been more but wasn't. [Could've been worse but wasn't.]

ST Dragon · Post by **ST Dragon** » Wed May 25, 2005 12:59 pm

I liked the original Star Wars IV,V & VI especially V which was the best of the original series imo, I didn't like Star Wars I (I hate that Jar Jar thing!)except for the battle between the droids & the Alien tribe on the Valey ("Pain Time")
I loved part II! (Attack of the Clones) Has everything I like in a film, Drama, multiple locations, awesome music, cool battle scenes, revenge, sentimental moments.

I've never paid to watch any of the above films, so is it worth giving my hard earned money to Lucas & watch Star Wars III at the theater?

Ord · Post by **Ord** » Wed May 25, 2005 4:47 pm

Minzoku wrote:
Minus: "I'm beautiful because I'm so in LOVE!" "No, you're beautiful because I'm so in love with YOU." *hurl*

Minus: Lightsabre duels = Ooo! A rave up close!

Agreed!

joshschw · Post by **joshschw** » Wed May 25, 2005 5:06 pm

judesalmon wrote:
joshschw wrote:
judesalmon wrote: Whatever you had for breakfast, I'd like some.
why are you even in this thread. 5 negative posts from you. you didn't like it than get out.
What? Are people only allowed to post on these boards if they share the same opinion as you?

What about the people who have posted more than once about how good it is? Is that acceptable to your totalarian opinion-police?

BTW, Star Wars Episode III is an awful excuse for film-making.

Wow amazing. Not once in my post did I say I liked the movie let alone even saw it. But you can bet that if I hated any movie as much as you apparently hate this one. I wouldn't post about it half a dozen times while my opinion is in the very small minority. If you hated it so much why waste even MORE TIME posting about it?

Are you like 12 or something? Since I can;t possibly accept the fact that you are older than that based on what you say, it would be a disgrace if you were any older than that and still not intelligent enough to comprehend basic english.

ST Dragon · Post by **ST Dragon** » Wed May 25, 2005 5:42 pm

Maybe because he's mad about paying to watch a film he didn't like....

ST Dragon · Post by **ST Dragon** » Wed May 25, 2005 7:12 pm

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greg · Post by **greg** » Wed May 25, 2005 7:33 pm

Minzoku wrote:Minus: "I'm beautiful because I'm so in LOVE!" "No, you're beautiful because I'm so in love with YOU." *hurl*

That part didn't bother me, really. Go ahead and puke, but after four years of marriage, sometimes I just look at my wife and my eyes start to tear up because I love her so much. She may not be so beautiful as a model or somebody, but she's tremendously beautiful to me because I love her so much. So sometimes people do corny stuff. However, the dialogue in Ep.2 was way too corny. "I'm haunted by that kiss that you should have never given me." Dumb. Padme's hair looked terrible for most of Ep.3.

OK, as for spoiler discussions, the thing that came to my mind was the scene in ROTJ where Luke asks Leia about her mother, and she says that she remembers how she was beautiful, but sad. How can she remember her when she died a minute or two after childbirth? Maybe it was a Force thing.

One neat subtlety was that for Padme's funeral procession, they made her look pregnant. Maybe this was Obi Wan's planning, to make it seem that when she died, her baby died as well to keep the twins safe from Vader. the ending scene was a nice touch, too.

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Thu May 26, 2005 2:32 am

Call me an Uber-Nerd, but I recall reading in the ROTJ book Obi Wan's spectre telling Luke that his "Mother took Leia to live with the royal family of Alderaan." Actual quote.

I am a wannabe writer myself, and can't forgive it when I confuse the plot or lose the reader. Or if I create a single plot hole. Why is it so hard for Lucas to give some freaking cohesion to his masterpiece?

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Thu May 26, 2005 2:39 am

While some of the love story lines are cheesy, they're kept to a minimum, and that is how young people in love sound -- goofy.

Wanderer · Post by **Wanderer** » Thu May 26, 2005 2:54 am

CMoon wrote:
Bar81 wrote:Number two, is that Lucas, that piss poor excuse for a screenwriter actually did not write Empire Strikes Back. Of course, coincidentally??? it is the best of the trilogy imo.:
He didn't even write it? I knew he didn't direct it. This explain so much.

Lucas wrote the story for Empire Strikes Back as well as a very basic rough draft script, which he turned over to screenwriter Leigh Brackett. Leigh Brackett died before finishing her first draft, so Lucas did some revisions based on Brackett's draft. Final revision responsibilities was turned over to screenwriter Lawrence Kasdan.

I really enjoyed Revenge of the Sith, which IMHO was the best "Star Wars" movie since Empire. The pacing was better and it had a real sense of urgency that was missing from the previous two prequels.

Like most people who had watched the previous films, I was emotionally invested, and had my own view on how the saga SHOULD have ended. I did cringe at some of Lucas’ choices (some of the dialogue, overuse of CGI, etc.), but, as stated earlier in this thread, objectively is the key word here.

judesalmon · Post by **judesalmon** » Thu May 26, 2005 12:59 pm

joshschw wrote:
judesalmon wrote:
joshschw wrote: why are you even in this thread. 5 negative posts from you. you didn't like it than get out.
What? Are people only allowed to post on these boards if they share the same opinion as you?

What about the people who have posted more than once about how good it is? Is that acceptable to your totalarian opinion-police?

BTW, Star Wars Episode III is an awful excuse for film-making.
Wow amazing. Not once in my post did I say I liked the movie let alone even saw it. But you can bet that if I hated any movie as much as you apparently hate this one. I wouldn't post about it half a dozen times while my opinion is in the very small minority. If you hated it so much why waste even MORE TIME posting about it?

Are you like 12 or something? Since I can;t possibly accept the fact that you are older than that based on what you say, it would be a disgrace if you were any older than that and still not intelligent enough to comprehend basic english.

I can comprehend basic english, but unfortunately you seem to be incapable of using it, judging by your punctuation.

SheSaidDutch · Post by **SheSaidDutch** » Thu May 26, 2005 5:33 pm

Well I've just got back from watching Revenge of the Sith,

It's the better one of the 3 prequals,

Hayden Christensen made the film IMHO

It was a fitting conclusion in my eyes to the series

Minzoku · Post by **Minzoku** » Fri May 27, 2005 11:44 am

GaijinPunch wrote:While some of the love story lines are cheesy, they're kept to a minimum, and that is how young people in love sound -- goofy.

Nnngh, maybe, but aren't they at least latching onto each other like siamese twins in the process? I mean, the whole "forbidden marriage" thing, I'd expect them to be joined at the hip... or elsewhere

Certainly I was like that in my long-distance relationship... [which is how I knew I couldn't ever do that again.]

On a different note, my boss commented that they could've shortened the movie by half an hour by cutting out all that Grievous junk, to which I said, "What? You didn't like his Big Wheel?"

And a friend of mine thinks all the Sith originated with one guy called Darth Badman

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Tue May 31, 2005 4:38 am

I just saw it, and even the love lines weren't bad. Yeah, silly, goofy, but not unbearable. And thank God Natalie Portman didn't talk too much this time. Are you sure Lucas directed this?

It made me feel sad for the poor Jedi who were slaughtered, and the kids. And for Obi Wan as he told Anakin how important he was for him.

I would have liked to see Obi Wan using the Force to put Anakin out when he was burning, out of mercy after a second of hesitation.

Overall, very good. And no Jar Jar saying a thing. Yaay!

ST Dragon · Post by **ST Dragon** » Tue May 31, 2005 8:14 am

[Spoilers]

I watched the film yesterday.
I loved the opening battle between the droid’s fleet & the republic’s star destroyers.
It looked amazing! They got that idea from the numerous Japanese Anime/Games, where huge SpaceShip fleets collidewith excessive use of lasers & various other weapons, like in Robotech/Macross, Gal Foce, etc… But most of all it reminded me of the battle between the 2 fleets in the 2nd level of RayForce, only this one was taking place very close to the planet’s surface.
I Also liked General Grievous’ flagship, it was so cool the way it got right next to the StarDestroyer & both sides started firing the canons like in Captain Harlock in Arcadia, last battle scene.

Personally I was with the droid army. They looked cooler. Especially the 2 body guard-warrior droids with those cool energy spears. (Except for the basic droid soldiers. Their heads looked hilarious for an action epic film.)
The General himself was both cool & funny. I kind of felt sorry for him in the end.

The 2 actors playing Obi-Wan & Anakin looked like wimps.Very bad choices for those roles. Luke Skywalker in the previous trilogy sucked & looked gay. The cheapest thing I noticed in this trilogy was how easily the Jedi Knights could reflect thousand’s of lasers with just one sword. I mean come on how fast can you get? Maybe if they were using the energy shield’s from Phantom Menace, but not with 1 sword!
Most hilarious part was the Coliseum scene in part 2 where the 20 Jedi’s even though were overwhelmed & surrounded, they lasted with minimum loses against 1000 battle droids that were firing lasers at them simultaneously!
Yeah right!
This wasn’t as bad in the previous trilogy.

I didn’t feel sorry for the Jedi’s slaughtered in the end, but it felt very cheap of how easily & fast they were put down by the storm troopers in relation to when the droids were trying to. (They didn’t lack fire power either) Why couldn’t they reflect the lasers like they did with the droids? The storm troopers were much less in the assassination scenes.
Most of the Jedi’s looked like retards imo.

The battle between the emperor & Master Yoda was cool.

I don’t understand why they showed the battle in the Yuki’s home planet? It was irrelevant to the rest of the plot.

Also I never imagined the way Anakin gets injured in the end. I found it lame. I always thought that he had been injured in the destruction a Star Destroyer or something similar & barely escaped with his life. The Volcano battle scenes were laughable! There is no way they could have survived over an active volcano & without even having a sweat!

It was stupid the way they put Anakin on the operating table & started operating, without even bothering to take off his burned clothes, clean him up or treat his 3rd degree burns that had covered most of his body.

Other than that, I agree that the scripts were very poor compared to “Attack of the Clones” (The conversation between Obi-Wan & Count Dukou were cool & the scripts involving Christopher Lee in general from the previous film, were perfect) it would have been better if Christopher Lee had played a larger role in SWIII, the dialogues would have been a lot better.

[End Spoilers]

If one loves excessive use of modern special effects & is fan of the originals saga, then they will love SWIII, if not stay away!

Best actors in the series imo:

Ser Aleck Guiness
Christopher Lee
James Earl Jones (Voice)
Ian McDiarmid

Best Star Wars films imo:

Star Wars II – Attack of the Clones
Star Wars V – Empire Strikes Back

Palmer Eldritch · Post by **Palmer Eldritch** » Tue May 31, 2005 8:33 am

ST Dragon wrote:[Spoilers]

I don’t understand why they showed the battle in the Yuki’s home planet? It was irrelevant to the rest of the plot.

(Presuming you mean Wookies

)
It´s called transition. Bridging the gap between two eras. Connecting the dots while establishing the wookies as a noble people who´ll eventually side with the rebellion.

With regard to the Jedis been slaugtered so easily in Ep. III as opposed to the scenes in II, there IS that little difference between the two, that they were caught off-guard by their own people in III and were hardly ready for battle against their own.

--Michael

ST Dragon · Post by **ST Dragon** » Tue May 31, 2005 8:47 am

Yeah Wookies!

I don't think that a Jedi Master (As presented in the movies) could have so easily been caught off-guard, especially by weak minded clones! They could have easily sensed their thoughts & killed them before they even tried to.

In that case the Jedi's battling against the droids, would have had a lot more trouble, seeing as they were mindless machines...
But they didn't.

neorichieb1971 · Post by **neorichieb1971** » Tue May 31, 2005 9:28 am

I find it hard to believe that Anakin could kill young jedis from what we saw before that. And I don't believe Anakin could become the Vadar we knew from 4,5 and 6 either. Bad character development imo. So what if he couldnt become a master?

Birth scenes were laughable.

uh, uh Luke, Uh Ugh Leia..

LMFAO! Now put them up so I can die.

I don't understand why Jedi's even need transport, why can't they just fly around using the force?

SW is full of inconsistency's. 1,2 and 3 were pathetic, although 3 was interesting to watch it still will not pass the test of time.

ST Dragon · Post by **ST Dragon** » Tue May 31, 2005 9:36 am

I thoughht Count Douku would have played a larger part in SWIII. I was kind of dissapointed by that.

It was so lame the way they managed to escape from General Grievous in the beginning. ("Hey C3PO, get them!)

Attack of the clones was better than this imo.

I just want the beginning video with battle of the 2 fleets.
Very anime looking.

MadSteelDarkness · Post by **MadSteelDarkness** » Tue May 31, 2005 2:05 pm

CMoon wrote:
Bar81 wrote:Number two, is that Lucas, that piss poor excuse for a screenwriter actually did not write Empire Strikes Back. Of course, coincidentally??? it is the best of the trilogy imo.:
He didn't even write it? I knew he didn't direct it. This explain so much.

I still haven't seen ep. 3 and I will soon enough, but regardless, Lucas has proved himself over the long haul as a pretty poor director (ROTJ, Willow, Howard the Duck, Ep. 1 & 2). Having not seen episode 3 I can say firmly the only movie by him I actually like is A New Hope and I still feel like it was a fluke that sling-shot his ass to fame. Not to deny him any credit he is due, but seriously, his hit-miss ratio is worse than Disney.

Damn, I hope episode 3 is good. Then I will NEVER have to see another movie by him.

Actually, according to the IMDb, Richard Marquand directed ROTJ, from Lucas' story and Kasdan's screenplay. After that he directed Jagged Edge and Hearts of Fire, and then, mercifully, died in 1987. I'm guessing if there's an afterlife, Ewoks are torturing him in hell by singing that awful Ewok song from the original ROTJ ending. Oh, and although it was from Lucas' story, Willow was directed by another piss-poor director: Ron "Ronny" Howard.

But point taken about Lucas. He really is a terrible director. When I think of all the actually decent directors that could have been brought in to direct Episodes 1-3 (Jean Pierre Jeunet, Peter Jackson, Sam Raimi, etc...), it makes me weep for the lost potential of these films. Ah well...

Well I actually finally saw ROTS last night. I'll admit I thought it was better than the first two, but it was still a bit of a mess. You know you're in for some pain when you realize that the average high school student could have written a better opening story crawl. Oh, and Vader's bellowing "NOOOO!!!" after hearing about Padme's death made me giggle uncontrollably. Still, the battles were great, and I dug the overall dark tone. I suppose it was the best Star Wars since Empire, though that ain't saying much. Also, I had the privilege of seeing ROTS on a DLP projector in pristine digital, and I have to say, the picture quality was flawless.

Dylan1CC · Post by **Dylan1CC** » Tue May 31, 2005 2:54 pm

OK, I am gonna repost what I initially said on TNL episode III thread here (spoilers, but if you haven't seen it yet, you have no excuse). I saw it a second time with friends last weekend and I like it just as much the second time. I think Lucas did a very good job making the dialogue much more warm, the characters really care about each other this time. Even Portman's love lines came off surprisingly well most of the flick. And Anakin's immolation and screaming angrily at Obi Wan will go down in cinema history.

http://www.the-nextlevel.com/board/show ... e=31&pp=30

Dylan1CC: Revenge of the Sith as my brother put it, is not a "fun" Star Wars movie but is by far one of the best IMHO. I honestly like it almost as much as ESB, as much as I enjoyed TPM and AoTC, they are nowhere near the quality of RoTS which IMHO improves over their weaknesses greatly.

Good points:

The opening space battle while short has tons of excellent interaction between Anakin, Obi Wan and R2. I also really like how Anakin and Obi Wan are really nice to R2 (well they oughta be, he saves everyone's butts every 5 min in all 6 movies) In one part R2 is gets hung up trying to fix an elevator and Obi Wan almost makes a derisive droid joke and Anakin says "Hey! No droid jokes." I dunno why, just liked that. It also shows how Anakin, while caring is more at ease with power and technology than life/the living force ect.

As Obi Wan and Anakin try to escape with Palp down a hallway they walk right into a capture forcefield Grevious has set up. Obi Wan says "Now how did we walk right into this, that was too easy" or something to that effect. And as Palp is standing behind them he has a very dull flat expression on his face (boy, will that change later) but you can tell that he clouded them so they got stuck in the forcefield. That's what the inference was I thought anyways.

Acting and dialogue are much better overall this time. Obi Wan, Anakin Yoda both have some excellent and very memorable lines. Obi Wan comes off much more of an everyman this time and he actually has fun when he confronts Grevious, taunting him nicely when he sneaks up behind. "Well, hello there!" As expected there are still some somewhat clunky monents but really, not that many. Overall the dialogue was much more smoothly delievered, there is not a single line that approaches any of the childish dialogue by Jake Lloyd or 'whiny Anakin' in AoTC. Hayden was right when he said in an interview last year that Lucas was "looser" in directing the actors this time. Because of this you can tell that Anakin, Obi Wan and Padme really care about each other unlike AoTC where it felt very forced. Portman did a much better job this time, the "Anakin you're breaking my heart line" was one of her few misfires. The rest of the time she had a lot of heart in what she was saying. Bedroom/home scenes between Anakin and Padme discussing their coming family and his fears are very well acted.

When you see the movie, you may have a lot less respect for Mace. If he wasn't such a hardass (although I agree Anakin should not be a master yet) and had let Anakin go to Utapau and trusted him much more, then he could have killed Sidious. I thought it was really interesting that when Anakin runs up to Mace and flat out tells him "Sidious is a Sith Lord," at first you think Sam Jackson or Lucas flub it, because he has this goofy sneer of perplexment and says "A Sith Lord." And then basically says "Oh, ok well maybe you're right we'll go arrest him." His sneer shows how arrogant Mace and some of the Jedi have become.

Also, very disappointing when Obi Wan basically tells mace and Yoda maybe they should cut him more slack "In all due respect Master, he is the chosen one is he not?" And Mace and Yoda totally write the prophecy off for their own convenience.

As you have probably read many times, when Sidious makes his transformation he is really scary. It is true, some have said Ian McDiarmid goes over the top, he does but it is spot on with how the Emperor acts in RoTJ. The scene where Mace is melting his face and Anakin is trying to decide to whether to let Mace kill him as he withers away, you'll be thinking to yourself "Let him, die! For the love of all that's good, stop worrying about your wife so much and let that old freak die!!!"

Then when Anakin says to Mace to arrest him and and that "It's not the Jedi way to kill him" you can understand a *bit* why he thinks that. But he is a total hypocrite because he says the same thing earlier in the movie when he is about to arrest Dooku after he totally disables him but then he gives in and kills him anyways.

As Mace gets fried by the lightning after Anakin intercedes, it's really sobering to see such a proud Jedi get electrocuted and thrown out to the night sky. Sam goes out in a blaze though. When Sidious rises up to knight Anakin as a Sith, his voice is 100X more frightening than it was in RoTJ.

Yoda lopping off the heads of the two Clones who try to shoot him in the back (man did that make me mad, that's how Aayla and almost every Jedi general dies) and teamingup with Tarrful and Chewy elicited cheers from the audience.

Yoda confronting Sidious in his office kicked ass. My favorite parts are when he flattens the red guards, then a bit later when the Emperor like the coward he is tries to run away, Yoda jumps over his head and blocks the door saying "If so powerful you have become, then why must you leave?" Seeing Yoda being forced to desert the battle after he falls and painfully lands on the floor of the Senate hurts. I honestly think if he hadn't initially been zapped by the lightning ambush he would have had just enough power to beat him.

One little scene is when Yoda escapes and falls out a tube to meet Bail in his cruiser, a very nice visual homage to Luke escaping through the tunnel tot he Millenium Falcom in ESB.

The massacre at the Jedi temple will definitely lessen any empathy you have for Anakin. He is still a tragic hero but MUCH less sympathetic when he turns into Vader.

The dialogue and acting between Obi Wan and Anakin right before and during the duel is excellent. Ewan McGregor does a beautiful job trying to reason with Anakin that he just lost his wife and friends because of the power he has wanted. Lucas did a good job of balancing out the dialogue just right, again, he is still a tragic hero but when Obi Wan shows up and starts trying to talk some sense into him, you know exactly which side is right. There is almost no excuse for what Anakin becomes despite his bad treatment and painful childhood/teenage years.

One thing, I wish Obi Wan would have force pushed Anakin into a wall as he is choking Padme. But that wouldn;t be constructive to trying to help him I guess.

The duel is amazing. Obi Wan's finishing move seems like it is simple....but when he warns Anakin "not to try it" and then quickly cuts his legs off, you will feel both warped pity for how deluded Anakin has become that as he hits the ground in humiliating loss, and a feeling of satisfaction as he quickly burns to a crisp. You still care about Anakin, but he gets exactly what he deserves.

Hearing James Earl Jones back as Vader and saying Padme's name is both strange and thrilling. Seeing Vader rip apart the medical room like a twisted 1940s monster was a moment I will never forget.

NOT so good points:

Grevious is an entertaining villian but not a Maul killer by any means. He is fun and a good villian, but in an odd saturday morning cartoon feel. He was honestly much scarier in the clone wars miniseries and looks much better in the concept paintings. He is almost always hunched over and also has a really goofy snot-filled cough which really detracts from his menace. I think Lucas didn't want him to detract from how hideous and scary Palp becomes or to snatch any thunder from Vader, but it's misguided as Grevious could have been much scarier than he was. However, his duel with Obi Wan is nicely executed and give Lucas a lot of props for giving him waaaay more dialogue than Maul ever had.

Folks in the "Obi Wan cops out-or uses a gimmick-in-a-duel" camp may not like the way old Ben kills him. His explosion and death are nice though.

In the book Qui Gon appears to Yoda and tells him about the disappearing trick. He also tells Yoda that the Sith have adapted and evolved and have exploited the Jedis' monastic social isolation and rediculously stagnant ways. This is some nice dialogue in the book because it is good to see Qui Gon basically tell Yoda "See? If there were more Jedi like me who didn't fear a proactive stance and who weren't afraid of change, some of this might not have happened. NOW we have to use this disappearing technique in order to stay alive and train people." It is really aggravating this was not filmed (why couldn;t he have filmed that during the Phantom Menace?). It's too bad Lucas apparently didn't want/couldn't get Liam Neeson to reprise his role as Qui Gon in the movie. Because when Yoda tells Obi Wan about this in one flat line it just kind of comes off as "Oh and hey, guess what? Qui Gon is back and he knows how to retain your identity in the Force."

The battle droids' voices are even more cartoony this time if that is to be believed. They sound like they have swallowed helium balloons.

Overall though, it's a very good and very memorable film with some powerful imagery. I can't wait to see it againt his weekend. 4/5 stars.

Also, I hear in the digital theaters folks got treated to a few additional scenes including Yoda landing on dagobah. EDIT: This is now known to be untrue. No Yoda landing on Dagobah

Dylan1CC · Post by **Dylan1CC** » Tue May 31, 2005 3:16 pm

Oh yeah, and here is an interesting tidbit about the possible reason as to why Anakin reappears at the end of RoTJ:

Me: On why Anakin appears later alongside Yoda and Obi Wan at the endof RoTJ I read the following years ago on theforce.net boards from a poster who read Lucas's ultra detailed "SW Annotated Screenplays" book (you should be able to order it still on the official site, unless it's outta print). Obviously, the book basically is a collection of the screenplays and Lucas's notes. According to Lucas's screenplay notes for the Emperor's death scene, Yoda is so impressed Anakin turned back and kille Palp that he "absorbs" Anakin after he breathes his last in front of Luke. Otherwise, unless Yoda had showed him a little pity and rewarded his good deed, Anakin would not have appeared alongside Yoda and Obi1 shimmering in front of Luke. Then again, it has to be taken with a grain of salt since Lucas changes stuff a lot and those notes are from at least 22 years ago. But OTOH, it makes sense since after Ep 3 it would appear Anakin never does learn this ability he so desires which Qui Gon shares with Yoda and Obi Wan.

Dylan1CC · Post by **Dylan1CC** » Tue May 31, 2005 3:36 pm

Also, sis commented that RoTJ would be even more fun to watch now and I'd have to agree. Ep III adds a nice extra layer to RoTJ's finale when he is slowly looking back and forth at Luke then Palp. Because now in light of RoTS, I'd assume he's thinking as he looks at Palp, "Hey wait a minute, I joined up with this guy because he said if I did, Padme and my family would always be safe...now he's killing my son! It's time to die, whitey."