RSG hasn't shown up yet because treasure doesn't know if they would make any money on it.Dremark wrote:They said they didn't want Arcade ports so i'm assuming that's why RSG didn't show up on 360.brokenhalo wrote:looks shit, but when did MS say they weren't interested in RSG or a new treasure game?
As far as I know the new Treasure game is still coming though.
hirounder wrote:From todays Maegawa interview on 1Up, doesn't sound very encouraging.
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3170441Xbox 360 Shooter
And now for bit of bad news... Maegawa said that the Xbox 360 shooter that Treasure has been working on is on hold. Even though they had put in a good year's worth of work into the title, Treasure had to put it aside to work on Sin and Punishment 2 and its other projects. According to Maegawa, it also has to do with the audience -- he has some reservations about whether it could sell enough units to warrant all of the development time. At least for the moment -- if the Xbox 360 picks up in Japan, the odds of this game getting prioritized higher are much better. He doesn't rule out that the shooter will still happen (he doesn't necessarily see this as a case of another Gun Beat, a Naomi arcade game Treasure was working on that never saw the light of day), but he says that it's definitely not being developed right now.
Radiant Silvergun for Xbox Live Arcade
The same goes for the Radiant Silvergun port for Xbox 360 -- right now, there aren't any resources for them to work on the game. Maegawa says that they'd like to do it, but if they do, they want to make sure to take advantage of the Xbox 360 hardware -- not just port the game over as it was. He mentioned that Ikaruga was originally supposed to be just a 6 month project, but when they polished it as much as they did it took two years. So he's a bit weary of doing the same right now -- but again, if the Xbox 360 continues to sell more units, the concept may become more viable. Here's hoping.
Existing thread on this:Zero Gunner wrote:Prepare for the awe of Power Up Forever!!!
So you're saying that the more money you invest into an obscure game from a genre that's dead to 97% of the world, the better your returns will be?Flazh wrote:They would print money from that damn game! They just have to release it at the same price as Ikaruga, and its money in the bank! The mind truly boggles sometimes.
(Especially true if they release it fully localised in English, and doubly true if they allow a new mode with updated high-res sprites, as well as classic RSG)
Because 100,000 sales at $10 a copy is pretty weak when a game like Gradius V sells 400,000 copies at a higher price. All other shmups on XBLA can be expected to sell fewer copies than Ikaruga, so Treasure cannot justify tying up their developers on another XBLA port when they can make more money doing a new retail project.Kiken wrote:How is ~100,000 units considered "meh" sales?Taylor wrote:Ikaruga has had meh sales on XBLA and is the most hyped shmup in existence.
simple numbers. developers get a 70% take on all sales from xbla. so 100,000 copies x $10 x 70%= $700,000.MR_Soren wrote:Because 100,000 sales at $10 a copy is pretty weak when a game like Gradius V sells 400,000 copies at a higher price. All other shmups on XBLA can be expected to sell fewer copies than Ikaruga, so Treasure cannot justify tying up their developers on another XBLA port when they can make more money doing a new retail project.Kiken wrote:How is ~100,000 units considered "meh" sales?Taylor wrote:Ikaruga has had meh sales on XBLA and is the most hyped shmup in existence.
Apples :: oranges. Gradius V is a physical game; Ikaruga is DL content. Physical media should always be easier to sell than DLable games because of portability, the satisfaction of flipping through a manual, etc. Granted, that's assuming a lot on the player's end, but I bet shmup fanatics (GV's target audience) would prefer something they can hold in their hands.MR_Soren wrote:
Because 100,000 sales at $10 a copy is pretty weak when a game like Gradius V sells 400,000 copies at a higher price.
Yeah, nice how that turned out...Square King wrote:Apples :: oranges. Gradius V is a physical game; Ikaruga is DL content. Physical media should always be easier to sell than DLable games because of portability, the satisfaction of flipping through a manual, etc. Granted, that's assuming a lot on the player's end, but I bet shmup fanatics (GV's target audience) would prefer something they can hold in their hands.MR_Soren wrote:
Because 100,000 sales at $10 a copy is pretty weak when a game like Gradius V sells 400,000 copies at a higher price.
There's also the issue of GV as a brand new, updated game whereas Ikki was just a port.
These things are precisely what determines how much return Treasure makes for their investment, though. If the consumer wants it, they will buy it. It's reasonable to assume Treasure would've sold more copies had they sold Ikaruga on a standard Xbox disc with more content or options -- for example, bundled with RSG or even Appreciate-style replays (although the leaderboard is pretty damn sweet). They'd make a killing because of the media used and the higher level of accessibility. Then again, there's a cost for putting it on the disc, marketing, etc (but these things also increase visibility, so there are greater chances for increased return). Same issue with Cave's upcoming ports. I'm sure most would rather have a disc than a file downloaded to a HD.MR_Soren wrote: Those aren't issues. It doesn't matter why people prefer DL vs. physical media, and it doesn't matter what's new and what's a remake. What matters is return on investment.
Agreed. How big of a company is Treasure? I don't know, but I do know they're nothing like Ubisoft, EA and their ilk. I'm sure this was more of a case of "this is something we (Treasure) want to do, not because we'll get rich."I'm sure Ikaruga was profitable, but it was a poor use of development resources if they had to put games that were potentially more profitable on hold to do the port.
Also agreed. It's common sense from an economics standpoint. But again, how many resources are being tapped to port an old arcade game to one of the most developer-friendly consoles out today?Suppose an RSG port is predicted to generate $500,000 in revenue, but those same developers could instead be put on a game that is expected to generate $2,000,000. They can't afford to waste their resources on the smaller payoff.
