Top 10 Platformers of all time?

[it290]

Some favorites off the top of my head:

-Shinobi (arcade)
-Metal Slug (series, but 1 is my favorite)
-Rastan (arcade)
-Sonic 1/2
-Super Mario Bros. 3
-Ruff 'n' Tumble (Amiga)
-Cadash (arcade)
-Castlevania 1/3/Rondo

[Ganelon]

The Genesis battletoads is okay, but it just isn't the same. it's a little different, which means that i wouldnt be as good at it, being so used to the NES one.

I think you'd be surprised. Every difference between the 2 (whcih are very minor really) has the NES version being more difficult (unless you prefer the added difficulty). There's not one aspect where the Genesis version is harder. The quotes are the same too. Have you tried both versions?

Yeah but its also perspective, as it scrolls & moves to all three axis, unlike the typical cute platform (Mario, Sonic, Bonk) So its more of a Beat Em Up like Final Fight, Streets of Rage but with a cute theme imo.

Except that nearly half of every Battletoads game except BB vs. DD is comprised of sidescrolling no-depth gameplay.

Honestly, can't a game be both a platformer and a beat 'em up?

Exactly, that's what I called it. I simply was saying that with some hybrids like Zelda, people don't mind listing them in either genre. In others like Battletoads, I explained that nobody tends to list them anywhere. I'm guessing what I was saying was misinterpreted...

Seriously, there's no point in arguing. Just accept it as the hybrid it is.

[ST Dragon]

No arguement, just making conversation.

[Ord]

In no order
Super Mario World
Super Mario 64
Yoshi's Island
Jack & Daxter
Crash Bandicoot
Super Mario Sunshine
Yoshi's Story
Vectorman
Castlevania SOTN
Micky Mouse - Castle Of Illusion.

[Fost]

Old School Platform lovers should really check out 'The Cave Story' if you haven't already. A free and amazing game for PC.

Get the game here:
http://hp.vector.co.jp/authors/VA022293 ... kutsu.html

Get the translation patch here:
http://agtp.romhack.net/doukutsu.html

[PaCrappa]

I'm a bit dismayed to be the first guy to say Do Re Mi Fantasy. Best scrolling platformer ever.

I think I like Diet GoGo or Don Doko Don best in the single screen platforming department.

A top ten list would be futile. I love platformers

Also, I heard that Street Fighter 2 was in fact a 'fighting game'.

Pa

[cigsthecat]

I'm going to try that Do Re Mi thing right now.

What I really want to know is this- has anyone ever created anything that even comes close to Yossy Eyeland? I reallt don't think Nintendo has been topped for platformers after all this time.

Recently I bought Legend of Stafy 2 and 3. Played 2 so far, I'll open 3 when I finish. It has some appealing graphics and neat ideas but it's just way too easy and simple overall. I had fun with it but it could have been so much better. Bosses in particular are pathetic.

[captain ahar]

Do re mi and Stafy look f u n.

[BrianC]

A top ten list would be futile. I love platformers
Pa

I know what you mean. I didn't stick to ten and there are still some games I would like to put on the list. I personally think the Duck Tales games, Rescue Rangers, Quackshot, Magical Quest, and Darkwing Duck NES/GB rock quite heavily.

[captain ahar]

Duck Tales on NES rocks my socks, Ristar as well.

[ST Dragon]

Chip & Dale Rescue Rangers on the NES rules!
I remember back in 1991 spending the whole weekend with a friend to complete it!
Good times!

[Ganelon]

Same here. I remember beating the NES version in 2 days during the summer. Fun and sweet but short and easy. Nowadays, very nostalgic...

[Valgar]

I enjoy Dynamite Headdy.

[ST Dragon]

Same here. I remember beating the NES version in 2 days during the summer. Fun and sweet but short and easy. Nowadays, very nostalgic...

There is also Chip & Dale 2. I tried the Rom a few months ago, but didn't have time to get into it.
Is it as good?

[Nuke]

Duck Tales on NES rocks my socks.

The first game I 1cc'ed
I never tire of it .

[ST Dragon]

Tiny Tunes on the NES is also very good!
You gotta love the music.

[ST Dragon]

Same here. I remember beating the NES version in 2 days during the summer. Fun and sweet but short and easy. Nowadays, very nostalgic...

By the way Ganelon, isn't your Avatar of one of the Characters in the cut scenes from Valis III on the Genesis?

It looks cool.

[BrianC]

Same here. I remember beating the NES version in 2 days during the summer. Fun and sweet but short and easy. Nowadays, very nostalgic...

There is also Chip & Dale 2. I tried the Rom a few months ago, but didn't have time to get into it.
Is it as good?

I played the actual game. It's a good game, but not as good as the first one. For some odd reason, there is only one gray hiding block in the entire game. Duck Tales 2 is as good as the first IMO, but I don't know if it's better or not. It's just so similar, but the finding the map thing is cool. Duck Tales 2 also got a good port to GB. I'm wondering why Rescue Rangers wasn't ported to GB.

[ST Dragon]

Yes it would have been a great GB port.
But what would have been even better, is a SNES Rescue Rangers port with 256 colours & all those cool special effects & cool SPC700 music.

Of course it's never too late for the GBA.
But seeing as most GBA games are re-warmed up SNES titles & GB ports, an enhanced RR version would be too much of an inovation for Nintendo in this case.

[BrianC]

Yes it would have been a great GB port.
But what would have been even better, is a SNES Rescue Rangers port with 256 colours & all those cool special effects & cool SPC700 music.

Of course it's never too late for the GBA.
But seeing as most GBA games are re-warmed up SNES titles & GB ports, an enhanced RR version would be too much of an inovation for Nintendo in this case.

There are hardly any GB ports for GBA. Also, IMO, I see no problem with SNES ports since they port well to GBA and many of them are excellent games. However, there are plenty of GBA exclusives and some very good ones too. BTW, none of the F-Zero games or Mario Kart for GBA are ports. Mario Kart only has the SNES levels as extras. The handling is different, there is a whole set of new tracks, and there are elements from the N64 Mario Kart in place. I mentioned F-Zero and Mario Kart for GBA, because they are commonly mislabeled as ports when they are not.
Anyway, Capcom makes Rescue Rangers, not Nintendo.

BTW, Nintendo has a GBA exclusive game with a tilt sensor bulit around mini games coming out this month. It's not the first game with a tilt sensor, but it's being used in some innovative ways.

Anyway, Nintendo did release the Classic NES/Famicom Mini line and a remake of the NES Kirby's Adventure for GBA. They also made a remake of the NES Metroid. I don't see any logic in that comment that imples Nintendo doesn't innovate just becuase they didn't release a game they didn't even make in the first place for GBA.

[Ganelon]

Same here. I remember beating the NES version in 2 days during the summer. Fun and sweet but short and easy. Nowadays, very nostalgic...

By the way Ganelon, isn't your Avatar of one of the Characters in the cut scenes from Valis III on the Genesis?

It looks cool.

Thanks, I can see where you're coming from but he's actually Boseru from Langrisser (AKA Ganelon from Warsong).

Oh, and it seems like I got my Rescue Rangers 1 & 2 confused. I played the second game and have never touched the first.

[ST Dragon]

From which Langrisser Game is Boseru from?
There are 4 on the Saturn, 1 on the Genesis & I think there are 2 on the PS-1 & 2…?
I love the Langrisser Box covers & flyers. They have some of the coolest themes on any JPN RPG.
I wonder who the artist is.
I tried a copy of Langrisser IV on the Saturn but it’s Japanese. Also the battles seem to be turn-based which I’m not a very big fan of..

@ BrianC

What I mean by Nintendo not having done anything innovative on the GBA, is that all those improved SNES games that were ported/converted onto the GBA, weren't enough to justify them as new & fresh products.
Not to mention that some are very poor & inferior in all aspects compared to the SNES versions (DKC, Contra III, EarthWorm Jim, etc...)


Those old Famico-NES packs (Zelda, Metroid, Donkey Kong, etc...) offer nothing new either.

Also the lack of a dedicated sound chip on the GBA, doesn't help either. Seeing as the SNES was well known for its superior sound capabilities at that time & one of its strong points that make it so memorable today, one would only expect something of equal value from Nintendo.

A lot of exclusive GBA titles are not that great compared with titles released on previous consoles (SNES, Genesis & PCE) imo.
I was also disappointed with the Mega Man Zero series, that looked, sounded & played worse than the previous X series imo.

So the "Tilt sensor" feature in a couple of games, isn't enough to call the GBA a very innovative system

Best games on the GBA imo:

Castlevania - Circle of the Moon
Castlevania - Harmony of Dissonance
Castlevania - Aria of Sorrow
Sonic 1,2,3
Mega Man Z series
Astro Boy
Tekken Advance
Double Dragon Advance
Final Fight One
Gekido Advance - Kintaro's Revenge
Metal Slug Advance
Metroid Fusion
Metroid Zero Mission
Zelda Minish Cap
Golden Sun 1 & 2
Sword of Mana
Broken Sword - The Shadow of The Templars
Gradius Galaxies
Steel Empire

[BrianC]

From which Langrisser Game is Boseru from?
There are 4 on the Saturn, 1 on the Genesis & I think there are 2 on the PS-1 & 2…?
I love the Langrisser Box covers & flyers. They have some of the coolest themes on any JPN RPG.
I wonder who the artist is.
I tried a copy of Langrisser IV on the Saturn but it’s Japanese. Also the battles seem to be turn-based which I’m not a very big fan of..

@ BrianC

What I mean by Nintendo not having done anything innovative on the GBA, is that all those improved SNES games that were ported/converted onto the GBA, weren't enough to justify them as new & fresh products.
Not to mention that some are very poor & inferior in all aspects compared to the SNES versions (DKC, Contra III, EarthWorm Jim, etc...)


Those old Famico-NES packs (Zelda, Metroid, Donkey Kong, etc...) offer nothing new either.

Also the lack of a dedicated sound chip on the GBA, doesn't help either. Seeing as the SNES was well known for its superior sound capabilities at that time & one of its strong points that make it so memorable today, one would only expect something of equal value from Nintendo.

A lot of exclusive GBA titles are not that great compared with titles released on previous consoles (SNES, Genesis & PCE) imo.
I was also disappointed with the Mega Man Zero series, that looked, sounded & played worse than the previous X series imo.

So the "Tilt sensor" feature in a couple of games, isn't enough to call the GBA a very innovative system

Best games on the GBA imo:

Castlevania - Circle of the Moon
Castlevania - Harmony of Dissonance
Castlevania - Aria of Sorrow
Sonic 1,2,3
Mega Man Z series
Astro Boy
Tekken Advance
Double Dragon Advance
Final Fight One
Gekido Advance - Kintaro's Revenge
Metal Slug Advance
Metroid Fusion
Metroid Zero Mission
Zelda Minish Cap
Golden Sun 1 & 2
Sword of Mana
Broken Sword - The Shadow of The Templars
Gradius Galaxies
Steel Empire

There is no need to explain what you mean. I know very well what you are stating. Earthworm Jim, Contra III, R-Type, DKC are very poor examples because they are poor ports that have nothing to do with hardware limitations. You also ignored the fact that DKC2 GBA turned out much better and it looks like DKC3 will follow suit. It's not the tilt sensor that makes Wario Ware Twisted innovative. It's the way it's used. Also keep in mind that Mega Man Zero finally did something different in the series and that some of the recent X games like X6 weren't that great. While it doesn't trounce the original Mega Man X (not many games do), it certainly is much better than Megaman X6 and even Megaman and Bass (IMO).

Also, I think some of the comparisons are unfair since many games are high pedigree to begin with. IMO, Zelda III is one of the best Zeldas of all time and not even OoT is as good. Do you honestly expect another Zelda to be as good? It's unfair to complain about any high quality Zelda game not being as good as the others, becuase not being as good isn't saying much. Also, IMO, F-Zero Maximum Velocity and Mario Kart for GBA are every bit as good as the SNES originals and actually better in some ways.

BTW, I know the classic NES series/Famicom Mini games offer nothing new, but I mentioned them anyway since you seemed to imply that there were no ports of NES games on GBA. I don't get why you want a remake of an older game when you seem to be tired of remakes to begin with. I though the point of ports was to stay true to the originals anyway.

I hate to say this, but do the remakes/ports really need to offer much new when they were great to begin with? I mean, Super Mario World was enhanced in more subtle ways and I was thrilled with the remake. Whatever happened to "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"? Some remakes messed too much with the original and ended up to be pale shadows of the originals. Golden Axe PS2 is a great example of this.

Anyway, back on topic...Did I mention SoTN for PSX in my previous post? That is definatly a killer platformer.

[Ganelon]

From which Langrisser Game is Boseru from?
There are 4 on the Saturn, 1 on the Genesis & I think there are 2 on the PS-1 & 2…?
I love the Langrisser Box covers & flyers. They have some of the coolest themes on any JPN RPG.
I wonder who the artist is.
I tried a copy of Langrisser IV on the Saturn but it’s Japanese. Also the battles seem to be turn-based which I’m not a very big fan of..

Boseru is in all the Langrissers (at least the 5 cardinal Langrissers) actually since he continuously gets revived by Chaos. However, the Boseru in Langrisser III isn't the same one as the ones in every other version of the game (given LIII is also a prequel to the other games). The SS has all 5 Langrissers in 4 packages, PS has all but part III in 2 packages, the MD has 2 games, and some more systems have a game. The SS versions always have the better visuals and music in these games.

Yeah, everything besides Langrisser I is in Japanese but it's easy enough to play through the battles without having to understand exactly what's going on.

And the artwork is done by the legendary Satoshi Urushihara, known for his uniquely drawn shiny anime women. You can spot his art a mile away.

To be honest, I still haven't found an SRPG series that excels over my beloved Langrisser series. Still looking though.

[landshark]

No particular order:

Castlevania (NES)
Super Castlevania (SNES)
Castlevania: SOTN (PSX)
Ninja Gaiden (NES)
Super Metroid (SNES)
Super Mario Bros 3 (NES)
Ghouls n Ghosts (Genesis)
Tiny Toons Adventures (SNES ... cant' remember the full name)
Contra III (SNES)
Act Raiser (SNES)

[jp]

From which Langrisser Game is Boseru from?
There are 4 on the Saturn, 1 on the Genesis & I think there are 2 on the PS-1 & 2…?
I love the Langrisser Box covers & flyers. They have some of the coolest themes on any JPN RPG.
I wonder who the artist is.
I tried a copy of Langrisser IV on the Saturn but it’s Japanese. Also the battles seem to be turn-based which I’m not a very big fan of..

The SS has all 5 Langrissers in 4 packages,
And the artwork is done by the legendary Satoshi Urushihara, known for his uniquely drawn shiny anime women. You can spot his art a mile away.

Or 1 if you snag the incredible Langrisser Tribute.

[Ganelon]

True, but I think Tribute be even more impressive had they bothered to add something to the discs rather than use the original builds with different disc art.

[ST Dragon]

From which Langrisser Game is Boseru from?
There are 4 on the Saturn, 1 on the Genesis & I think there are 2 on the PS-1 & 2…?
I love the Langrisser Box covers & flyers. They have some of the coolest themes on any JPN RPG.
I wonder who the artist is.
I tried a copy of Langrisser IV on the Saturn but it’s Japanese. Also the battles seem to be turn-based which I’m not a very big fan of..

Boseru is in all the Langrissers (at least the 5 cardinal Langrissers) actually since he continuously gets revived by Chaos. However, the Boseru in Langrisser III isn't the same one as the ones in every other version of the game (given LIII is also a prequel to the other games). The SS has all 5 Langrissers in 4 packages, PS has all but part III in 2 packages, the MD has 2 games, and some more systems have a game. The SS versions always have the better visuals and music in these games.

Yeah, everything besides Langrisser I is in Japanese but it's easy enough to play through the battles without having to understand exactly what's going on.

And the artwork is done by the legendary Satoshi Urushihara, known for his uniquely drawn shiny anime women. You can spot his art a mile away.

To be honest, I still haven't found an SRPG series that excels over my beloved Langrisser series. Still looking though.

By the way, is Boseru one of the selectable character/Heroes or is he a Final Boss/Vilain character that you get to fight in every single game with different forms, like Dracula in the CastleVania Series?
Is he cool & Bad-Ass ?


Do you have any links with high quality covers of Satoshi Urushihara art & your particular avatar pic?
I only have a few cheap low quality covers of the 3 SS Langrisser titles.
I would love to have some cool *.jpg files of his work as my desktop.

Thanks in advance.



@BrianC

IMO Mega Man X6 along side with X3 & X are the best of the X series. X6 has the best graphics, music, story line, coolest Boss battles & maybe even gameplay if it had all the cool riding armours from X3.
So I don't consider the Zero series better than X6. From what I saw they felt small in length & not as vast as the X series.
Also the (Pokemon) of having to collect all the elves weapons, kills the MM themes imo.

I'm not tired of remakes. Ninja Warriors Again on the SNES was 10 times better than the Arcade/Genesis/PCE originals, but it was awesome since it was completly redone & utilized all the SNES resources, thus making it a completly new & fresh game.
If Rescue Rangers had been remade for the SNES or GBA, it would have been the same case.
Same for CatleVania IV, Mega Man X, MM7 & MM&Forte on the SNES & CastleVania SOTN on the PSX which were all vastly improved offering new & innovative features.
In that respect alone, F-Zero Maximum Velocity and Mario Kart for GBA, don't offer anything new. Same for many other GBA titles.

I wasn't implying that the GBA doesn't have any Nes/Famicom. In my original post I mistakenly mentioned GB ports instead of NES/Famicom

Zelda Minish Cap could have been better if it was larger than Zelda III, had better music (if the GBA had a sound chip), more weapons & items, better gameplay & puzzles instead of the Pokemon theme to collect all those discs & link then together.
But yeah Zelda III is the best Zelda title ever with Zelda 1 in 2nd place imo.

[Ganelon]

Nope, you never play as him. Boseru is always the recurrent villain of the Langrisser series. Well, technically, you can play as him in Gaia no Monshou (one of Masaya's 3 strategy prequels to the Langrisser series) if you choose to play as the dark side. I think his armor looks amazing although he never seems to be the strongest enemy in any game.

If you search on Google for Urushihara, you'll find plenty of his pictures. As for a high res version of my avatar, here's a link: http://the.animearchive.org/langllisser/3/l1-10.jpg
The picture was scanned (not by me) from Satoshi Urushihara's Legend of Langrisser artbook.

[ST Dragon]

He looks a bit like Lord Ashram (Record of Lodoss War) but without the cape & he reminds me of the Sorcerer from Valis.
Is he a Warrior because I noticed he’s wearing plate armor, a Sorcerer or both?
He's looks cool.

I also like Ayami Kojima's Art in the CastleVania SOTN & the rest of the series. (I wonder if she's related with Hideo Kojima of Metal Gear & Zone of Enders II?)

For some reason I've linked the Langrisser Series in my mind, completely with SEGA & the Saturn in particular, even though they're available for other consoles as well.
There is also a Lngrisser game for the PCE DUO but I’m not sure if it’s an RPG?

How can you enjoy the series without knowing Japanese?
Or do you?