Voting in the 2008 US Pres election? You NEED to read this

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Voting in the 2008 US Pres election? You NEED to read this

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If you are voting in the 2008 US presidential election and even remotely considering voting for John Mccain, you NEED to read the Rolling Stone article on him entitled "Make-Believe Maverick:
A closer look at the life and career of John McCain reveals a disturbing record of recklessness and dishonesty"

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/ ... rick/print

Let me just quote from a FEW of the more disturbing passages...
McCain, who has admitted that "the issue of economics is not something I've understood as well as I should," relies on Gramm to guide him.

Indeed, if the current financial crisis has a villain, it is Phil Gramm, who remains close to McCain. As chair of the Senate Banking Committee in the late 1990s, Gramm ushered in — with McCain's fervent support — a massive wave of deregulation for insurance companies and brokerage houses and banks, the aftershocks of which are just now being felt in Wall Street's catastrophic collapse.
There is no small irony that the Reform Institute — founded to bolster McCain's crusade to rid politics of unregulated soft money — itself took in huge sums of unregulated soft money from companies with interests before McCain's committee. EchoStar got in on the ground floor with a donation of $100,000. A charity funded by the CEO of Univision gave another $100,000. Cablevision gave $200,000 to the Reform Institute in 2003 and 2004 — just as its officials were testifying before the commerce committee. McCain urged approval of the cable company's proposed pricing plan. As Bradley Smith, the former chair of the Federal Election Commission, wrote at the time: "Appearance of corruption, anyone?"
More recently, McCain's jokes have heightened tensions with Iran. The senator once cautioned that "the world's only superpower . . . should never make idle threats" — but that didn't stop him from rewriting the lyrics to a famous Beach Boys tune. In April 2007, when a voter at a town-hall session asked him about his policy toward Tehran, McCain responded by singing, "bomb bomb bomb" Iran. The loose talk was meant to incite the GOP base, but it also aggravated relations with Iran, whose foreign minister condemned McCain's "jokes about genocide" as a testament to his "disturbed state of mind" and "warmongering approach to foreign policy."
And after 9/11, he took the lead in agitating for war with Iraq, outpacing even Dick Cheney in the dissemination of bogus intelligence about the threat posed by Saddam Hussein. "There's other organizations besides Mr. bin Laden who are bent on the destruction of the United States," he warned in an appearance on Hardball on September 12th. "It isn't just Afghanistan. We're talking about Syria, Iraq, Iran, perhaps North Korea, Libya and others." A few days later, he told Jay Leno's audience that "some other countries" — possibly Iraq, Iran and Syria — had aided bin Laden.

That December, just as U.S. forces were bearing down on Osama bin Laden in Tora Bora, McCain joined with five senators in an open letter to the White House. "In the interest of our own national security, Saddam Hussein must be removed from power," they insisted, claiming that there was "no doubt" that Hussein intended to use weapons of mass destruction "against the United States and its allies."
In January 2002, McCain made a fact-finding mission to the Middle East. While he was there, he dropped by a supercarrier stationed in the Arabian Sea that was dear to his heart: the USS Theodore Roosevelt, the giant floating pork project that he had driven through over President Carter's veto. On board the carrier, McCain called Iraq a "clear and present danger to the security of the United States of America." Standing on the flight bridge, he watched as fighter planes roared off, en route to Afghanistan — where Osama bin Laden had already slipped away. "Next up, Baghdad!" McCain whooped.

Over the next 15 months leading up to the invasion, McCain continued to lead the rush to war. In November 2002, Scheunemann set up a group called the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq at the same address as Chalabi's Iraqi National Congress. The groups worked in such close concert that at one point they got their Websites crossed. The CLI was established with explicit White House backing to sell the public on the war. The honorary co-chair of the committee: John Sidney McCain III.

He's in bed with the financial industry, the media industry, and was instrumental in swaying public opinion to start an illigitimate war on Iraq.

This is just the stuff that is KNOWN about him. Who knows what other kind of manipulation has gone on behind the scenes.

THIS MAN IS DANGEROUS

He does not have your best interests in mind. If he gets elected, the world is going to hell.

Now.. Tell your friends to tell their friends about this article.
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Rolling Stone


Obama is the Anti-Christ. This is the evidence:
1.- He will come as a man of Peace (Obama promises peace in Iraq, defeat for the US)
2.- He will come mounted on a white Female horse(Obama mother is white who had 6 African husbands)
3.- He will come to deceive( Obama says he's a Christian but in fact he was born a Muslim, practices the Islamic religion, prays Friday’s facing Mecca)
4.- He will make himself the most powerful man on earth, if elected
5.- He will try to destroy the Jewish People and Israel( Obama has said he loves the Arabs specially the Palestinians, hates Israel and Jews. Admires Hitler, Osama etc)
6.- He will present himself as good and righteous but in fact he's Satan himself. Violence is in his heart
7.- Obama will help Al Qaida in its evil projects.
8.- Barack Hussein Obama is the “King of the South” predicted in the Bible.(Daniel .11, Kenya is south of Jerusalem)
9.- Obama comes to implant muslim Sharia Law upon America.
Obama is the Anti-Christ, beware of him.
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what i dont get is does ANYONE vote republican?

absoluteley everything we hear about the US election over here is so blatantly democrat biased that its not even funny.
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JoshF wrote:Rolling Stone


Obama is the Anti-Christ. This is the evidence:
1.- He will come as a man of Peace (Obama promises peace in Iraq, defeat for the US)
2.- He will come mounted on a white Female horse(Obama mother is white who had 6 African husbands)
3.- He will come to deceive( Obama says he's a Christian but in fact he was born a Muslim, practices the Islamic religion, prays Friday’s facing Mecca)
4.- He will make himself the most powerful man on earth, if elected
5.- He will try to destroy the Jewish People and Israel( Obama has said he loves the Arabs specially the Palestinians, hates Israel and Jews. Admires Hitler, Osama etc)
6.- He will present himself as good and righteous but in fact he's Satan himself. Violence is in his heart
7.- Obama will help Al Qaida in its evil projects.
8.- Barack Hussein Obama is the “King of the South” predicted in the Bible.(Daniel .11, Kenya is south of Jerusalem)
9.- Obama comes to implant muslim Sharia Law upon America.
Obama is the Anti-Christ, beware of him.



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McCain voted against the rail safety reform bill because he hates Amtrak. Remeber, a vote for McCain is a vote against trains.

If McCain is elected, he will remove all trains from shmups.
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MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE / JACK NAPIER '08

yeah I think Biden looks a bit like Nicholson at times :lol: of course I think most everybody does... o_O
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sven666 wrote:what i dont get is (why) does ANYONE vote republican?
The Republicans play up the religious issues, such as Abortion and Gay Marriage, and their economic policies favor big business and little regulation.

Republicans give huge tax breaks to big business with the purpose of making them more profitable and then creating more jobs.

Democrats typically believe the tax burden should be on the most wealthy and that social programs (paid for through taxes) will create jobs and empower the citizens, Republicans just say that is wasteful spending.

Working class people vote Republican because they think Democrats are godless baby killers who will destroy the sanctity of marriage. It is also frequently argued that Democrats will tax all your income and give it to unemployed bums on wellfare.

During the last election the Bush campain really played up his expertise with fighting the "War on Terror" and many people simply said they felt the nation was safer with Bush in office. Not to mention they really stirred up the Gay Marriage issue by saying families as we know them would be destroyed if Gays are allowed to marry each other.

So far during this election McCain's running mate has been saying it is God's plan for McCain to be elected, and she recently suggested that women that did not vote for her and McCain would go to hell.

..that's just a few of the reasons people vote Republican. :?
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Koa Zo wrote:
sven666 wrote:what i dont get is (why) does ANYONE vote republican?
The Republicans play up the religious issues, such as Abortion and Gay Marriage, and their economic policies favor big business and little regulation.

Republicans give huge tax breaks to big business with the purpose of making them more profitable and then creating more jobs.

Democrats typically believe the tax burden should be on the most wealthy and that social programs (paid for through taxes) will create jobs and empower the citizens, Republicans just say that is wasteful spending.

Working class people vote Republican because they think Democrats are godless baby killers who will destroy the sanctity of marriage. It is also frequently argued that Democrats will tax all your income and give it to unemployed bums on wellfare.

During the last election the Bush campain really played up his expertise with fighting the "War on Terror" and many people simply said they felt the nation was safer with Bush in office. Not to mention they really stirred up the Gay Marriage issue by saying families as we know them would be destroyed if Gays are allowed to marry each other.

So far during this election McCain's running mate has been saying it is God's plan for McCain to be elected, and she recently suggested that women that did not vote for her and McCain would go to hell.

..that's just a few of the reasons people vote Republican. :?
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Both candidates are absolute shit and are worthless individuals that do not have our best interest in mind.

Hopefully after Tweedle Dee or Tweedle Dum (whichever gets it) fucks up even worse in the coming 4 years we can get some basic fucking competence in the White House.

This is a stretch, I know, but hope is all I've got.
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Koa Zo wrote:..that's just a few of the reasons people vote Republican. :?
You forgot "and the corporate-owned media will parrot every last Republican talking point for them, almost without exception."
Hopefully after Tweedle Dee or Tweedle Dum (whichever gets it) fucks up even worse in the coming 4 years we can get some basic fucking competence in the White House.
Whatever Obama's faults (and there are some big ones), at least his policies appear mostly grounded in factual reality, as opposed to wishful thinking. The same cannot be said of his opponent.
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jp wrote:Both candidates are absolute shit and are worthless individuals that do not have our best interest in mind.
Ahem....
That's gotta be the first time I've heard this considering the horses ass that's in office right now.
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In response to the McCain camp's declaration that it would focus attacks on Obama's character...
KARLROVE wrote:Some of the best strategies are the strategies you don’t call attention to.
Well then... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

It's interesting how the McCain campaign has said a lot of things in public. For example, last week it was "we are being outspent in Michigan so we aren't going to campaign there anymore." According to the news, Obama has pulled campaigns out of three states but they did so quietly (and so it doesn't get coverage); meanwhile, the blinding forthrightness (lulz) of the McCain camp serves to emphasize that campaign's faltering nature.

It almost makes me wonder if they're trying to set up a stab-in-the-back resentment amongst regular Americans...
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there's a presidential election coming up?
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GaijinPunch wrote:
jp wrote:Both candidates are absolute shit and are worthless individuals that do not have our best interest in mind.
Ahem....
That's gotta be the first time I've heard this considering the horses ass that's in office right now.
Just because Bush is clueless does not magically mean that McLame or Obummer suddenly have a clue.


All three of them are fucking retarded.
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For every attack that McCain and Palin level on Obama over Wright and Ayers, Obama can fire back with The Keating Five and Palin's own preacher past.

It should be a more lively debate tomorrow.
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The Coop wrote:For every attack that McCain and Palin level on Obama over Wright and Ayers, Obama can fire back with The Keating Five and Palin's own preacher past.
He CAN, but if he DOES he'll be derided as "negative," "bitter," "avoiding the issues" - designations that McCain (not to mention Ms. "I won't do interviews unless I'm shown some respect") is more or less immune to. The media have fallen all over themselves digging up irrelevant dirt on the past several Democratic candidates, and in some cases simply made them up themselves (did you hear that Al Gore said he invented the internet?), but have at the same time gone far out of their way to gloss over McCain's various weaknesses (his divorce, temper, Keating Five, vote against MLK Day, adherence to Bushism, ignorance of basic facts, etc.), though of course that hasn't stopped the chants of "liberal media conspiracy."

Sorry, but there are two separate sets of rules here, and have been for some time - it's not as bad as it was the past pair of elections, but it's still quite strong. If it were truly an even playing field McCain wouldn't even be close.
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indstr wrote:THIS MAN IS DANGEROUS

He does not have your best interests in mind. If he gets elected, the world is going to hell.
The exact same can be said about the other communist candidate who wants "change". None of the two candidates are worth anything, vote 3rd party.
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Will someone please give szycag his medication before he tries to hump the cat again?
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jp wrote:Just because Bush is clueless does not magically mean that McLame or Obummer suddenly have a clue.


All three of them are fucking retarded.
Yes, McCain graduated at the bottom of his class at the naval academy, but Obama is, by all measures, very intelligent.

Obama taught constitutional law at University of Chicago for eight years and was an editor for Harvard Law Review. You don't get these positions by being retarded.

What's more, 80% of the experts on economics polled by the Economist believe that Obama understands the economy better than McCain:
http://www.economist.com/world/unitedst ... d=12342127
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Oh good, a political thread.
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Anybody with a bit of a brain would vote Ralph Nader; McCain and to lesser extend Obama are just corporate puppets. The fact that 58% of American still believe that Saddam Hussein was involved in 9/11 shows you how brain dead most amerians are or/and how well propaganda works. This is just a virtual democracy run by corporations.
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The Coop wrote:Will someone please give szycag his medication before he tries to hump the cat again?
Fighting with a cat with it's twenty super sharp claws is a no-win situation to be in. ^_~

Let's see, if one were to vote 3rd party instead of Democrat or Republican, there really isn't much of a selection is there? Anyone voting for Ralph Nader for president? And what's Nader stance on the important issues?

I recall when Ross Perot was running for President and then he suddenly left the race. He finally came back and garnered some votes but it still wasn't enough to make a dent anyways. ^_~

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PC Engine Fan X! wrote:I recall when Ross Perot was running for President and then he suddenly left the race. He finally came back and garnered some votes but it still wasn't enough to make a dent anyways.
Technically, he left the race for good the moment he said "you people" in front of a black audience.
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All this debate and still, no one has answered my question yet :Which candidate will lower prices on Import Shmups??? It is out of hand, with limited print runs, as soon as these sell out they nearly double in price in the world market... EVEN THE GREATEST HITS VERSIONS!!! :evil:
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