PC engine = RGB FINALLY

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:38 am

got the duo rx back today.... with RGB!!!!

gundamalpha · Post by **gundamalpha** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:21 am

How I envy you

who did the modding for you?

mirkvid · Post by **mirkvid** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:12 am

awesome!

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 5:00 am

chaotic jelly games did the mod with amp

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:54 am

Not to one up you, but for some dumb reason I have a Duo-R & a Duo-RX both modded. Different mod jobs. Can't decide which one I like better. The cable to the Duo-R is all cocked up though so it's kind of useless at the moment.

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 12:24 pm

is the picture different between the 2 units?

I liked the job this guy did b/c he replaced the av port with another plug that just added a few more pins. So basically no holes in the case were made and I can still use the original composite cables also if I want to.

The only way you can tell is there are a few extra pin holes in the socket.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:29 pm

Strider77 wrote:is the picture different between the 2 units?

From what little testing I did, I would say yes. Depends on the game, but both have very, very subtle (but different) artifacts. I only tried them out for a short time though.

D · Post by D » Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:35 pm

congrats, looks fabulous.

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:37 pm

GaijinPunch wrote:Not to one up you, but for some dumb reason I have a Duo-R & a Duo-RX both modded. Different mod jobs. Can't decide which one I like better. The cable to the Duo-R is all cocked up though so it's kind of useless at the moment.

Not to one up you either, but I have an RGB modded PC Engine, Super Grafx and Duo RX.

And yes, playing PC Engine in RGB is awesome. I hate composite.

nem · Post by **nem** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:07 pm

The kind of amp used in the mod makes a huge difference. See here for a comparison.

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 5:19 pm

Interesting! Looks like I got the good mod for all my PCEs.

captpain · Post by **captpain** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:16 pm

So how does this work? Do certain TVs have special inputs called RGB? Please forgive me, I am a noob.

PC Engine Fan X! · Post by **PC Engine Fan X!** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:56 pm

captpain wrote:So how does this work? Do certain TVs have special inputs called RGB? Please forgive me, I am a noob.

Some Japanese and European CRT-based monitor have SCART input for RGB input. The Japanese ones have just RGB in via a 21-pin interface.

Those small but sweet 14" Commodore produced Amiga monitors such as the original 1080, 1084 and the 1084S have a simple DB-9 or similar interface for getting that beatiful RGB signal in. Such low resolution graphics 320 x 240 when playing such arcade PCBs looks great on the Amiga monitors, especially if the RGB signal is adjusted for proper picture and color purity.

Such a shame that American A/V equipment manufacturers don't include such superior RGB inputs on such monitors, it only costs a few bucks more. Of course, by using such professional A/V monitor equipement, you'll find such analog RGB inputs quite easily but with such general everyday casual A/V monitors, that isn't the case.

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:57 pm

Ceph wrote:
Not to one up you either, but I have an RGB modded PC Engine, Super Grafx and Duo RX.
And yes, playing PC Engine in RGB is awesome. I hate composite.

PC-Engine for the lose, eh? Why bother w/ the Super Grafx? You really need to play those 4 games at all?

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:39 am

Well, my white PCE is a bit unreliable, and when I saw that RGB modded Super Grafx complete & boxed with two games (Grand Sword and Battle Ace) on evilbay a few years ago, I put in a lowball bid for someting like 90 EUR, not really expecting to win it. But I did. Maybe there was some sort of sports event on tv at the same time

So I've been using it to play all my Hu-cards ever since (I had my RX modded only very recently).

Aldynes and 1941 are very enjoyable shmups, and Grand Sword isn't a bad platformer. Battle Ace (After Burner-like) is a bit rubbish, and since Ghost 'n Ghouls is arcade perfect on Capcom Generation 2 for PS1/Sat, I never bothered to buy it for SG. Darius Plus plays better on SG (less flickering).

Is it worth it? For the price I paid, definitely. But if you bought one only to play the four SG games, you might end up feeling disappointed.

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:55 am

I have grand sword and gouls n ghosts on super grafx, but no system to play them on. Both were in good shape and a friend sold em' to me cheap. I have a feeling I'll never wind up with the system to play them on. To bad...

320x240 · Post by **320x240** » Sat Sep 06, 2008 2:38 pm

PC Engine Fan X! wrote:Those small but sweet 14" Commodore produced Amiga monitors such as the original 1080, 1084 and the 1084S have a simple DB-9 or similar interface for getting that beatiful RGB signal in. Such low resolution graphics 320 x 240 when playing such arcade PCBs looks great on the Amiga monitors, especially if the RGB signal is adjusted for proper picture and color purity.

I used to have my Gamecube connected to a 1084S, until it stopped working. I never knew anything about the difference between composite and RGB though, it was just that I saw the colors on the end of the RCA connectors matched the colors on the back of the monitor...

PC Engine Fan X! · Post by **PC Engine Fan X!** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:06 pm

320x240 wrote:
PC Engine Fan X! wrote:Those small but sweet 14" Commodore produced Amiga monitors such as the original 1080, 1084 and the 1084S have a simple DB-9 or similar interface for getting that beatiful RGB signal in. Such low resolution graphics 320 x 240 when playing such arcade PCBs looks great on the Amiga monitors, especially if the RGB signal is adjusted for proper picture and color purity.
I used to have my Gamecube connected to a 1084S, until it stopped working. I never knew anything about the difference between composite and RGB though, it was just that I saw the colors on the end of the RCA connectors matched the colors on the back of the monitor...

Composite Video input and RGB input: a really big difference indeed. I'm surprised that you didn't take advantage of that built-in RGB input on your 1080S monitor. It really makes your gaming truly stand out and you'd never want to go back to using such crappy composite video or the next step up, S-Video (which is better than comp. video anyways).

Here's the breakdown of inputs from lowest to the best possible signal input on such a CRT-based monitor setup: RF switchbox --> Composite Video --> S-Video --> Component Video --> analog RGB.

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

captpain · Post by **captpain** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:33 pm

Is there some sort of device that can convert a VGA signal (from a computer) to RGB? Someone is selling a PVM-2530 that "works great" near me for $50, and I'm thinking about getting it....

PC Engine Fan X! · Post by **PC Engine Fan X!** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:02 pm

captpain wrote:Is there some sort of device that can convert a VGA signal (from a computer) to RGB? Someone is selling a PVM-2530 that "works great" near me for $50, and I'm thinking about getting it....

For captpain,

You'd be better off getting such custom-made RGB cables and taking advantage of the Sony's PVM-2530 monitor's low-res 15.7 kHz RGB with the 8-pin "VTR" input (located on the backside, of course) -- needs a special Sony produced 8-pin RGB harness though which is HTF these days (than if you were to go with such a fangled VGA to RGB adapter setup). ^_~

I do have such pinouts of that particular Sony VTR RGB input if you want it -- works great for that razor-sharp RGB signal that everyone raves about. ^_~

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~