shmupnut and 9/11

[Square King]

I'm all for varied political opinions and alternative theories on 9/11 (and other events in history -- it's all usually good reading), but I think uploading a 9/11 series under the shmupnut name on YouTube is a little strange. I love the shmup videos and the reviews, but the 9/11 stuff is like an off-topic post in a thread you love. I don't come here for guitar stuff, so I wouldn't go to shmupnut for 9/11 material. Know what I mean? All due respect to shmupnut, of course/just imo. Thought I'd throw that out there.

[jpj]

at least there are some some people on youtube who have a brain when it comes to talking about 9/11: http://www.youtube.com/user/CHF2

what i never get with those guys (conspiracy nuts) is why they don't unify behind one common theory. i've seen 9/11 conspiracy freaks arguing over whether what hit the towers was a missile or a hologram...

i would just say ignore it if it bothers you (easier said than done). he has got excellent vids

[Square King]

at least there are some some people on youtube who have a brain when it comes to talking about 9/11: http://www.youtube.com/user/CHF2

what i never get with those guys (conspiracy nuts) is why they don't unify behind one common theory. i've seen 9/11 conspiracy freaks arguing over whether what hit the towers was a missile or a hologram...

i would just say ignore it if it bothers you (easier said than done). he has got excellent vids

Yeah, some theories are fun to read because they're borderline retarded.

I guess I just want moar shmup reviews.

[szycag]

off topic?

[Mortificator]

[Square King]

off topic?

Yes. I fale.

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[JoshF]

GO BACK TO SLEEE AMERICA

[Rob]

Hellraiser 3 had a picture of a pyramid in it.

Hellraiser 3.

[Dale]

I hate how anyone with a belief other then what the accepted series of events is considered a conspiracy nut. Man fuck that shit. All the video's regarding 911 conspiracy theories no doubt are slanted and have many unfounded points buts some shit is too weird. Like the explosion starting before the collision or the FBI confiscating the servalence video's at that gas station or the windows not being damaged. Even though the special is very biased isn't at least worth thinking their may be something more then the government and media are letting on? Seriously though most of you discredit stuff because the documentary is made by people who are just conspiracy nuts when some parts of what they've shown should at least be taken note of( I'm not referring to this video).

That GhostBusters scene was hilarious.

[Twiddle]

jews did 9/12

[captpain]

I unsubbed from him because of that.

I hate how anyone with a belief other then what the accepted series of events is considered a conspiracy nut. Man fuck that shit. All the video's regarding 911 conspiracy theories no doubt are slanted and have many unfounded points buts some shit is too weird. Like the explosion starting before the collision or the FBI confiscating the servalence video's at that gas station or the windows not being damaged. Even though the special is very biased isn't at least worth thinking their may be something more then the government and media are letting on? Seriously though most of you discredit stuff because the documentary is made by people who are just conspiracy nuts when some parts of what they've shown should at least be taken note of( I'm not referring to this video).

[adversity1]

Well this thread is bound for off topic at some point.

But let me just put my foot in here, as someone who has spent too much time in the last four years debunking the so-called 'alternative theories about 9/11'.

I hate how anyone with a belief other then what the accepted series of events is considered a conspiracy nut. Man fuck that shit.

I agree, there's no need for name calling. It's enough to make clear what these people are: wrong, and often knowingly wrong which is also known as lying.

All the video's regarding 911 conspiracy theories no doubt are slanted and have many unfounded points buts some shit is too weird. Like the explosion starting before the collision or the FBI confiscating the servalence video's at that gas station or the windows not being damaged.

There were no explosions before the collision. Only one witness, out of tens of thousands who would have heard an explosion, claims to have heard an explosion before the plane struck. Even other people in the basement with him do not corroborate his story. This man, William Rodriguez, has literally employed himself thereafter as a speaker at various conspiracy conferences around the world with these claims. Ask yourself if that's a coincidence. That tens of thousands of people didn't hear an explosion and only he did.

As for the surveillance videos at the gas station, sure I agree all camera footage of the Pentagon crash should be released, if only to eliminate the doubts that people still have about the attack. But I have to ask: what do you expect this to prove beyond the jet wreckage and remains of victims recovered from the site? Will a surveillance camera somehow prove what the physical evidence of tens of dead passengers won't? Have you heard of a book, written together with the firefighters who fought the Pentagon blaze, called Firefight: Inside the Fight to Save the Pentagon? It came out recently. Look it up on Amazon and then order it. Should dispel any of your doubts.

[JoshF]

the people totally unquestioning of the official little golden book version are almost as funny as the conspiracy wackos

lol, the guh-ment

[adversity1]

the people totally unquestioning of the official little golden book version are almost as funny as the conspiracy wackos

lol, the guh-ment

So where do you find fault with the 9/11 commision and NIST reports?

[JoshF]

Commies did Reichstag.

[adversity1]

Commies did Reichstag.

I await the day you run out of internet irony.

[JoshF]

Sorry you were expecting another wackjob that likes to play madlibs with redacted texts. All I have is rudimentary knowledge of the history of the United States government. It's a kind of agnosticism I guess.

[adversity1]

It was Pearl Harbor long time ago...

Now it's 9/11.

I do believe that in both cases the american government did nothing to prevent it because it was useful to their politic.

Before Pearl Harbor nearly none wanted america to enter in W.W.2 after it...well almost anyone...

Yeah...except for almost all of occupied Europe. Sure there was plenty of populist opposition to WWII, but they were also making a case for negotiating with on the one hand imperialist germany which was genocidal against internal minorities and had already eliminated all political opposition, and imperial Japan, which went village-to-village in China and Korea routing out 'left elements' and dissidents for execution and perpetrating infamous war crimes.

There is a debate as to whether Roosevelt knew about the Pearl Harbor attack. I find the claims rather unconvincing, because he didn't need to lose a good chunk of the Pacific fleet to get the public into the war. In fact, a follow-up attack by the American naval fleet at Hawaii on retreating Japanese ships would have crippled their fleet and hastened an allied victory over Japan. So the cost/benefits do not add up.

Do americans would have let bush wage war to afganistan and iraq without 9/11? I don't think so...

A Democratic congress passed the Iraqi Liberation act. Look it up. There was also a great deal of pressure to overthrow the Taliban regime that had built up internationally before the war.

About the "conspiracy theories" there is only 1 thing that has always bugged me, building number 7: there was a small fire in it and then after a couple of hours it just collapsed as it happens with a controlled demolition; i do believe there is not a good explanation for this fact...

You sound very curious about WTC 7. You will be delighted to know then that NIST, the government agency tasked with disaster recovery and forensic analysis of the 9/11 attacks have finally released their report on the collapse of the building here: http://wtc.nist.gov/ where you will find out that these were not 'small fires' but quite significant fires on multiple floors of the building and started by a huge slurry of debris hitting the building from the north tower when it collapsed. Firefighters were completely unable to fight this blaze because the water main which would have been used to fight it had been rendered useless due to the collapses of WTC1 and 2.

One last thing that caught my attention, that was said by an italian politic:

Which can be summarized to:
On the 30 of November 2007 Francesco Cossiga stated that <<everyone already know that the disastrous terroristic attack of 9/11 was planned and realized by CIA and MOSSAD with the help of the "zionist world" so that the middle east would be blamed and to justify intervention in Iraq and Afganistan>>

Uh huh. And neo-nazis and Islamists believe the same thing. There are idiots everywhere. Do you subscribe to his fantasy?

If 'everybody knows' then there must be a lot of evidence out there. If not then there must be people willing to speak about the events. And yet no one has stood up. No one has gone to the Washington Post, the NY times, the LA times, papers quote famous for breaking scandals. The money enough should entice someone. And yet...nothing. For 7 years.

[Dale]

I was referring to the visual of the fire appearing before the collision not what people heard. And whats the explanation on the thing covered in a blue sheet?

How about a real response CaptainPain? Otherwise fuck you.

Edit:Do the dead passengers say anything about who the plane was controlled by(was it a normal plane etc)? And I'll always have me doubts.

[Square King]

I was referring to the visual of the fire appearing before the collision not what people heard. And whats the explanation on the thing covered in a blue sheet?

How about a real response CaptainPain? Otherwise fuck you.

We don't need animosity, kids. Just more shmup reviews, less 9/11.

[Dale]

I was referring to the visual of the fire appearing before the collision not what people heard. And whats the explanation on the thing covered in a blue sheet?

How about a real response CaptainPain? Otherwise fuck you.

We don't need animosity, kids. Just more shmup reviews, less 9/11.

He tries to debunk my whole post with stupid smily's and you expect me not to be pissed? He's worst then a retarded leet kid for something like that.

[Rob]

We don't need animosity, kids. Just more shmup reviews, less 9/11.

DIY

[adversity1]

I was referring to the visual of the fire appearing before the collision not what people heard. And whats the explanation on the thing covered in a blue sheet?

What visual of fire appearing before the impact? I don't believe there's any video of the first impact before the plane actually impacts. What blue sheet are you talking about?

Edit:Do the dead passengers say anything about who the plane was controlled by(was it a normal plane etc)? And I'll always have me doubts.

So the Al-Queda affiliated terrorists highjacked a flight but then suddenly had control wrested from them by government dudes and pile driven into the Pentagon? If that's the case then why did Flight 93 crash in a random field in Pennsylvania?

And if you want to know whether it was a normal plane or not take a look at the wreckage here:

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/pentagonattackpage2

[Dale]

I was referring to the visual of the fire appearing before the collision not what people heard. And whats the explanation on the thing covered in a blue sheet?

What visual of fire appearing before the impact? I don't believe there's any video of the first impact before the plane actually impacts. What blue sheet are you talking about?

Edit:Do the dead passengers say anything about who the plane was controlled by(was it a normal plane etc)? And I'll always have me doubts.

So the Al-Queda affiliated terrorists highjacked a flight but then suddenly had control wrested from them by government dudes and pile driven into the Pentagon? If that's the case then why did Flight 93 crash in a random field in Pennsylvania?

And if you want to know whether it was a normal plane or not take a look at the wreckage here:

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/pentagonattackpage2

The blue sheet I'm referring to is a peace of wreckage that no one was allowed to see.

The government can't hire a bunch of middle-eastern dude's to do their dirty work? Flight 93 was brought down sooner because the passengers fought back(whether it was done by Al Quede or who ever). I'm curios why the other planes passengers didn't fight back.

BTW I haven't come to a conclusion ether way, and anyone who would know anything if their are any guilty parties in are government would be killed rather quickly I'd think.

The footage I was referring too appeared in Loose Change(sorry for not knowing the specific name of the footage). It simply showed the side of one of the building pertrude fire before the plane could of done more then break glass(if even that). And the building didn't fall right.

[JoshF]

mad libs

[adversity1]

The government can't hire a bunch of middle-eastern dude's to do their dirty work? Flight 93 was brought down sooner because the passengers fought back(whether it was done by Al Quede or who ever). I'm curios why the other planes passengers didn't fight back.

Look up the outcome of any hijacking in the history of the modern world before 9/11 and you will understand why they did not fight back. They figured the hijackers would negotiate with the government and eventually they would either be freed or rescued. Being flown into buildings was an innovation made on that day.

And as for your assertion that Al-Queda works for the US government...I mean I dunno what really to say to you. 3 simultaneous embassy bombings in East Africa, multiple attacks on Americans in Saudi Arabia, the USS cole attacks, these were paid for? Or just 9/11? I suppose the American gov has hired Al-Queda to fight in Iraq as well or something.

BTW I haven't come to a conclusion ether way, and anyone who would know anything if their are any guilty parties in are government would be killed rather quickly I'd think.

Right, then you should be able to point to a government official who would know about the attacks who was killed at some point in the past 7 years. I'm waiting.

The footage I was referring too appeared in Loose Change(sorry for not knowing the specific name of the footage). It simply showed the side of one of the building pertrude fire before the plane could of done more then break glass(if even that). And the building didn't fall right.

Then show me the video.

'The building didn't fall right'

No, unfortunately it did.

[captpain]

How about a real response CaptainPain? Otherwise fuck you.

It's very clear that you've already made your decision, and you're not going to accept the less-exciting but unfortunate reality of what actually happened (as explained in the official report). I don't see any use in trying to argue with you, as (and, if this counts, I really mean no personal offense by this) anything that's posted will be subject to interpretation of very suspect rationality.
Finally, this isn't the sort of material that ought to be argued on a subforum of shmups.com. It's not an environment that's conducive to any productive discussion of this material.


Might as well lock this thread now -- it's not going anywhere.

[JoshF]

this isn't the sort of material that ought to be argued on a subforum of shmups.com

90% topics on shmups.com: floating fish


come back

[captpain]

this isn't the sort of material that ought to be argued on a subforum of shmups.com

90% topics on shmups.com: floating fish


come back

What about the other 10%?

Gold-grade?

[JoshF]

Gold-grade

Atomic Robo Kid