Could 360 become the ultimate shmup system?

OdiousTrident · Post by **OdiousTrident** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 12:32 am

This is the system's first few years and we are seeing a shocking amount of shmups, classic and otherwise. If this trend continued until the end of the system, its entirely possible the 360 will come out on top in sheer numbers. I'm sure some people won't agree with this, but what do you guys think?

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:03 am

I don't know about comparing numbers-wise to the PS2 or Saturn, but I do think it's a safe bet to assume that it will be "the shmup machine" of its generation, as neither of its rivals have near as much as it does.

No_not_like_Quake · Post by **No_not_like_Quake** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:22 am

What BulletMagnet said.

elfhentaifan · Post by **elfhentaifan** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:27 am

What No_not_like_Quake said.

dmauro · Post by **dmauro** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 2:06 am

elfhentaifan wrote:What No_not_like_Quake said.

If those 5PB ports ever happen...

rolins · Post by **rolins** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 2:11 am

I'm living under rock these days. The 360 has shmups? Can I get a list here?

jp · Post by jp » Tue Aug 05, 2008 2:39 am

rolins wrote:I'm living under rock these days. The 360 has shmups? Can I get a list here?

Currently out:
Official Disc Releases:
Senko no Ronde (sorta)
Raiden Fighters Aces
Shikigami no Shiro III

XBLA:
Ikaruga
Trigger Heart Excelica
Time Pilot
Scramble
1942: Joint Strike
Xevious
Galaga
Aegis Wing
Omega Five

Coming soon:
Raiden IV (Sept)
Otomedius (Sept)
Ketsui X (TBA)
DoDonPachi Dai Ou Jou Black Label (TBA)
New Treasure shmup (TBA)
Galaga Legions (XBLA, August)

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 2:46 am

jp wrote:
rolins wrote:I'm living under rock these days. The 360 has shmups? Can I get a list here?
Currently out:
XBLA:
Ikaruga
Trigger Heart Excelica
Time Pilot
Scramble
1942: Joint Strike

Xevious as well.

jp · Post by jp » Tue Aug 05, 2008 2:52 am

professor ganson wrote:
jp wrote:
rolins wrote:I'm living under rock these days. The 360 has shmups? Can I get a list here?
Currently out:
XBLA:
Ikaruga
Trigger Heart Excelica
Time Pilot
Scramble
1942: Joint Strike
Xevious as well.

Good call! Gah! I knew I was missing something. And thats such an awesome port Xevious as well. I guess technically I should add Galaga.

Aru-san · Post by **Aru-san** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 3:32 am

jp wrote:
rolins wrote:I'm living under rock these days. The 360 has shmups? Can I get a list here?
Currently out:
Official Disc Releases:
Senko no Ronde (sorta)
Raiden Fighters Aces
Shikigami no Shiro III

XBLA:
Ikaruga
Trigger Heart Excelica
Time Pilot
Scramble
1942: Joint Strike
Xevious
Galaga
Aegis Wing

Coming soon:
Raiden IV (Sept)
Otomedius (Sept)
Ketsui X (TBA)
DoDonPachi Dai Ou Jou Black Label (TBA)
New Treasure shmup (TBA)
Some new Galaga (XBLA, TBA)

Did you forget that "Some new Galaga" is called "Galaga Legions" and that it'll probably be released on August 20th?

Or is this another Galaga we're talking about?

jp · Post by jp » Tue Aug 05, 2008 3:40 am

The name slipped my mind. And I never knew it was coming out then, neat!

Post by **Ghegs** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 5:37 am

Also Omega Five.

Quantity-wise the PC Engine is also on near the top, with a shmuplibrary of over 100 titles (counting hu-cards and CDs and everything here). Counting all the PS2 shmups gets tricky due to all the retro releases and collections that include shmups, but I'd guess the number is similar if not higher.

rolins · Post by **rolins** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 8:54 am

I never expected to see Ketsui. I might just get a jp 360 after all.

manaka · Post by **manaka** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:04 am

Wasn't Triangle Service going to port Shooting Love 2007 as well?

And also the recent R-Type Dimensions announcement.

(Do Rez and Geometry Wars count?)

Jockel · Post by **Jockel** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:41 am

Hm the Xbox might get some decent shmups, but the controller still sucks ass for shooters. I liked even the d-pad of the wiimote better (to control shiki3), and that's saying something.
The obvious answer to that might be: then get a stick.
But i guess i am not a stick-person. ^^"

indstr · Post by **indstr** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 12:23 pm

Can't let controllers get in your way.

Convert, and use whatever you want to

http://switchgaming.blogspot.com/2007/0 ... erter.html

For my PS2, I use a Hori Anashin for d-pad games, a max shooter adapter to use keyboard for shmups, and an xbox controller for analogue games.

Jockel · Post by **Jockel** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 12:27 pm

This one's quite expensive, PLUS i had to buy a wired controller.
If it were cheaper and wouldn't have to rely on a wired controller it would be all cool.

MR_Soren · Post by **MR_Soren** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 12:29 pm

Having no interest in the console, I hope it doesn't become this gen's shmup system, but it is looking like that's how it will turn out.

dmauro · Post by **dmauro** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:24 pm

Mod your dpad! If you play Omega Five (which is a great original shmup for the 360 btw) you owe it to yourself.

Or go the custom stick route.

dial911 · Post by **dial911** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:43 pm

The Wii is a much better system in regards to shmups. Check out the VC as well as Star Soldier R, Shiki III, Blast Works, upcoming Space Invaders + Milestone Shooting Collection etc. etc.

Sheer number on the 360... no.

Frederik · Post by **Frederik** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:48 pm

dmauro wrote:Mod your dpad! If you play Omega Five (which is a great original shmup for the 360 btw) you owe it to yourself.

It´s pretty depressing that all that kept the d-pad from working properly was too much plastic on the casing, meaning that it wasn´t bad electronic parts but simply stupid design.

I mean, really, we´re moving backwards d-pad history until they are as bad as the Atari 2600 ones. I still wonder why the DS Lite pads suck so bad compared to the GBA or SNES ones.

MX7 · Post by **MX7** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:52 pm

dial911 wrote:The Wii is a much better system in regards to shmups. Check out the VC as well as Star Soldier R, Shiki III, Blast Works, upcoming Space Invaders + Milestone Shooting Collection etc. etc.

Sheer number on the 360... no.

Sounds awesome if you like old games. X360 is getting ther portsu

MR_Soren · Post by **MR_Soren** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 2:07 pm

dial911 wrote:The Wii is a much better system in regards to shmups. Check out the VC as well as Star Soldier R, Shiki III, Blast Works, upcoming Space Invaders + Milestone Shooting Collection etc. etc.

Sheer number on the 360... no.

I'm also rooting for the Wii to become this gen's shmup system, but even I find your statement to be a bit ridiculous.

Shiki, Blast Works, and Star Soldier are awesome, but the Milestone collection will be mediocre because Milestone is mediocre, and none of these are good substitutes for Ketsui, DDP, Raiden 4, and New Treasure Game. Also, while the VC has lots of awesome ROMs (R-Type, Gley Lancer, too many to list) new ports (Ikaruga, THE) are cooler than old ROMs.

Still, I'm looking forward to the upcoming Gradius WiiWare title, and maybe some more shmups will drift towards the Wii before too long.

lgb · Post by **lgb** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 2:10 pm

DoDonPachii?

Post by **Dave_K.** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 2:31 pm

indstr wrote:Can't let controllers get in your way.

Convert, and use whatever you want to

http://switchgaming.blogspot.com/2007/0 ... erter.html

For my PS2, I use a Hori Anashin for d-pad games, a max shooter adapter to use keyboard for shmups, and an xbox controller for analogue games.

dmauro wrote:Mod your dpad! If you play Omega Five (which is a great original shmup for the 360 btw) you owe it to yourself.

Or go the custom stick route.

Unfortunately these next generation console shmups (Omega 5, Galaga Legions, Otomedius, ...) require analog sticks! So fancy custom sticks are out of the picture (much less real arcade controls).

Necronom · Post by **Necronom** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 2:45 pm

dial911 wrote:The Wii is a much better system in regards to shmups. Check out the VC as well as Star Soldier R, Shiki III, Blast Works, upcoming Space Invaders + Milestone Shooting Collection etc. etc.

Sheer number on the 360... no.

I think you forgot about the QUALITY side of things. Blast Works is nice IF you're into the editor and Milestone...well, nothing wrong with the DC versions.
Imo it's pretty much a fact that the oh so evil Microsoft is putting in a lot of effort to bring some shmup goodies to xbla. Even though the canning of xbla cave stuff was not such a smart move...

ubersaurus · Post by **ubersaurus** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:05 pm

FrederikJurk wrote:
dmauro wrote:Mod your dpad! If you play Omega Five (which is a great original shmup for the 360 btw) you owe it to yourself.
It´s pretty depressing that all that kept the d-pad from working properly was too much plastic on the casing, meaning that it wasn´t bad electronic parts but simply stupid design.

I mean, really, we´re moving backwards d-pad history until they are as bad as the Atari 2600 ones. I still wonder why the DS Lite pads suck so bad compared to the GBA or SNES ones.

The atari 2600 had d-pads?

jp · Post by jp » Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:37 pm

Dave_K. wrote:
Unfortunately these next generation console shmups (Omega 5, Galaga Legions, Otomedius, ...) require analog sticks! So fancy custom sticks are out of the picture (much less real arcade controls).

What? No they don't. I played Omega Five with the d-pad, and Otomedius' limited edition COMES WITH an arcade stick.

orange · Post by **orange** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:48 pm

that joystick is a sack of balls though because it's too expensive because of the loltouchscreen

jp · Post by jp » Tue Aug 05, 2008 5:19 pm

orange wrote:that joystick is a sack of balls though because it's too expensive because of the loltouchscreen

Thats irrelevant though, as the point was that Otomedius, obviously, DOES support joysticks.