Ibara Screen Issues (PS2)

Tigershark · Post by **Tigershark** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:29 pm

Would someone please explain to me why it is that Ibara looks like a game seen through the bottom of a couple of milk bottles?

Ibara was the first PS2 shmup I bought and when it arrived I was impressed. Trouble is since then I've bought and played other PS2 shmups with no foggyness issues at all. Similarly the Saturn has none of these issues.

Why then this PS2 conversion?

Recently I've only been playing Battle Garegga (and I'm loving it) on the Saturn and I thought let's see if all this playing helps me on Ibara. Booted it up. Thought I was in a pea souper - and couldn't see what the hell was going on.

Anyone else with these issues?

jonny5 · Post by **jonny5** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:45 pm

its because the game is interlaced and they used weird filters on it....its the same with mushi, just not as bad

if you have a modded ps2 there is a patch that antron made somewhere in the hardware forum....just make an image of the game and apply the patch to the game image and burn it...it deinterlaces it....doesnt remove the filters tho, sadly

heres the thread:

http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.ph ... ight=ibara

makes it much better

just go through the thread...he makes patches for mushi, ibara, shiki 2 and a few others

subcons · Post by **subcons** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:19 pm

Yeah, Ibara is by far the worst looking conversion of all the big shooter titles that came out. I was so disappointed with it when I got it.

I wish they could all look as beautiful as the DDP conversion. Looks so crisp, even on my LCD monitor.

P_HAT · Post by **P_HAT** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:27 pm

also, you must play via TATE mode.

jonny5 · Post by **jonny5** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:44 pm

P_HAT wrote:also, you must play via TATE mode.

that goes without saying......playing yoko blows

Wes112 · Post by **Wes112** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:26 am

jonny5 wrote:its because the game is interlaced and they used weird filters on it....its the same with mushi, just not as bad

if you have a modded ps2 there is a patch that antron made somewhere in the hardware forum....just make an image of the game and apply the patch to the game image and burn it...it deinterlaces it....doesnt remove the filters tho, sadly

heres the thread:

http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.ph ... ight=ibara

makes it much better

just go through the thread...he makes patches for mushi, ibara, shiki 2 and a few others

Wow, I just tried the patch for Mushi and it looks a lot clearer. I'm gonna try the Ibara and Raiden 3 patches later.

subcons · Post by **subcons** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 3:14 pm

Wes112 wrote:Wow, I just tried the patch for Mushi and it looks a lot clearer. I'm gonna try the Ibara and Raiden 3 patches later.

This is kind of making me want to just sell my Japanese PS2 and buy a modded one.

P_HAT · Post by **P_HAT** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 3:27 pm

Raiden 3 is anyway looks much better on PC.

jonny5 · Post by **jonny5** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 3:33 pm

P_HAT wrote:Raiden 3 is anyway looks much better on PC.

qft

antron · Post by **antron** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 3:45 pm

subcons wrote:
Wes112 wrote:Wow, I just tried the patch for Mushi and it looks a lot clearer. I'm gonna try the Ibara and Raiden 3 patches later.
This is kind of making me want to just sell my Japanese PS2 and buy a modded one.

is it a Fat PS2? HDLoader is a great way to run these patched games (You won't be using your real discs anyway)

The PC program to put the images on the hard drive, Winhiip, even features a PPF patch applier.

And Ibara's load times reduce in a major way.

Kiken · Post by **Kiken** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:03 pm

subcons wrote:Yeah, Ibara is by far the worst looking conversion of all the big shooter titles that came out. I was so disappointed with it when I got it.

Calling Giga Wing Generations to this thread. At least Ibara has tate and a consistant frame-rate.

Rob, I heard you sold your copy... so you can't say shit!

jonny5 · Post by **jonny5** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:12 pm

but isnt the gigawing series a yoko vertical game like mars matrix??

so it has no need for tate...but ya...agreed....it is a very shitty game....the graphics are horrible....

gigawing 2 looked way better

Kiken · Post by **Kiken** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:16 pm

jonny5 wrote:but isnt the gigawing series a yoko vertical game like mars matrix??

The first two were, but Generations was an actual tate screen game in the arcade.

PC Engine Fan X! · Post by **PC Engine Fan X!** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:27 pm

Kiken wrote:
jonny5 wrote:but isnt the gigawing series a yoko vertical game like mars matrix??
The first two were, but Generations was an actual tate screen game in the arcade.

Kiken is referring to the Taito Type X arcade version of Gigawing Generations...

If you can afford it, by getting an Ibara PCB, will your eyes be thanking you for the superior and razor-sharp crispness that is arcade RGB low-resolution of 15.7 kHz sync rate signal. Only if Taito did their homework properly and didn't have to resort to filters, then would the currently released Ibara PS2 port be just as good as the PCB version (as Arika did with their Cave shmup ports of DDP-DOJ and ESPgaluda for the respected PS2 platform)... ^_~

It all comes down to spending yen to get the job done right the first time...or not.

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

Kiken · Post by **Kiken** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:54 pm

PC Engine Fan X! wrote:Only if Taito did their homework properly and didn't have to resort to filters, then would the currently released Ibara PS2 port be just as good as the PCB version (as Arika did with their Cave shmup ports of DDP-DOJ and ESPgaluda for the respected PS2 platform)... ^_~

Tell that to Cave.. they were responsible for the port. Taito are merely guilty through association (since they published the thing).

Also, can I get some confirmation here... were Cave actually responsible for the Saturn ports of DP and DDP? It would certainly explain a lot, seeing as Atlus (who published the ports) obviously knew their way around the hardware.

subcons · Post by **subcons** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:24 pm

antron wrote:is it a Fat PS2? HDLoader is a great way to run these patched games (You won't be using your real discs anyway)

The PC program to put the images on the hard drive, Winhiip, even features a PPF patch applier.

And Ibara's load times reduce in a major way.

It is, indeed. Thank you for the info! I'll have to give this a shot.

As for GWG... yeah, that was a horrid port from what I read. I never even tried it out though. Vert port + no tate = deal breaker for me.

louisg · Post by **louisg** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:28 pm

PC Engine Fan X! wrote: (as Arika did with their Cave shmup ports of DDP-DOJ and ESPgaluda for the respected PS2 platform)... ^_~

It all comes down to spending yen to get the job done right the first time...or not.

Wasn't Ibara on different hw in the arcade though from DDP-DOJ and ESP Galuda? It's possible I guess that they couldn't match the res. It's still too bad, because I remember playing PS2 Ibara on an arcade setup at a meet and it was very blurry. Does it look okay on a standard TV? I was thinking of picking it up.

subcons wrote:As for GWG... yeah, that was a horrid port from what I read. I never even tried it out though. Vert port + no tate = deal breaker for me.

Yeah, that was a really disappointing port. The only thing I can think of which matches the badness is PSX Viewpoint.

antron · Post by **antron** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:48 pm

louisg wrote: Wasn't Ibara on different hw in the arcade though from DDP-DOJ and ESP Galuda? It's possible I guess that they couldn't match the res.

they could have matched the res just fine. All they had to do was set the PS2 to 240p mode instead of 480i. Lucky for us rekless figured out how to do it anyway.

Jockel · Post by **Jockel** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 5:54 am

just out of interest: whould it be possible to patch the cave ps2 ports into 480p mode? i would be particularly interested in this, because of my VGABox not supporting interlaced Signals.
because turning my 32" LCD TV on tate is not an option for me.

ReKleSS · Post by **ReKleSS** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 11:19 pm

Yes it is, but not reliably. Try the tool here.

gavin19 · Post by **gavin19** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 11:25 pm

ReKleSS wrote:Yes it is, but not reliably. Try the tool here.

Has it been tested with any of the Cave ports? Or any PS2 shmups?