Mushihimesama PS2 pre-orders confirmed! (was: Is this real?)

[Cugel]

I'll be ordering the LE version.

The image you linked to is the figure that was included with the first print-run of the Mushihime-sama OST CD.

The figure to be included with the LE version of the game will be Reko as a child.

The limited sets are borderline pedophilia: the OST teenager Reko wears no panties and has a bare ass. The LE version Reko is a child. Will she be wearing panties? I hope so.

I'm going to pass on the LE version. The rori con obsession of Japanese otaku is frankly disgusting.

[Stormowl]

I'll be ordering the LE version.

The image you linked to is the figure that was included with the first print-run of the Mushihime-sama OST CD.

The figure to be included with the LE version of the game will be Reko as a child.

The limited sets are borderline pedophilia: the OST teenager Reko wears no panties and has a bare ass. The LE version Reko is a child. Will she be wearing panties? I hope so.

I'm going to pass on the LE version. The rori con obsession of Japanese otaku is frankly disgusting.

i so concur with you on this one.

i also find the obsession of anime chicks and cosplay to be equally bothersome as well.

on-topic: i'm going for the LE simply for the collectability factor...

[Icarus]

Although I might be wrong (I certainly haven't heard of many cases occuring), I would assume that at least Far Eastern otaku with a mild lolicon fetish don't have the tendency to act out their fantasies in real life, unlike the many cases you hear of in the papers of some dirty rat bastard people in the West torturing young children in a... sexual manner. IMO, otaku just keep it in their heads.

Other people's fantasies aren't for me to criticise, though. As long as they don't harm anyone doing it, then I don't care either way.

Regarding the OST nopan Reko: not many people would have known about the pantyless Reko unless they actually checked for themselves, or someone said to them "Hey! Check it out! Reko has no keks!!". Personally I didn't know until I saw someone posted the link to the DOAXONLINE webmaster's *ahem* Reko "analysis" in their blog, and TBH I don't really care.

I collect anime and video game character figures, and ordered the OST as soon as the news was announced; even if it didn't have the OST and figure bundled together, I would have bought the OST and figure seperately at some point. And to get a Cave-related figure bundled with my preordered copy of PS2 Mushi is an opportunity too good to miss.

The only thing I really, really want in my collection (if it exists) is a Tateha figure. I saw a pic of one on a Japanese website, but lost the link

[Dylan1CC]

I'll be ordering the LE version.

The image you linked to is the figure that was included with the first print-run of the Mushihime-sama OST CD.

The figure to be included with the LE version of the game will be Reko as a child.

The limited sets are borderline pedophilia: the OST teenager Reko wears no panties and has a bare ass. The LE version Reko is a child. Will she be wearing panties? I hope so.

I'm going to pass on the LE version. The rori con obsession of Japanese otaku is frankly disgusting.

I agree, I'm glad I didn't have the cash to get the OST and the figure now. I'll also be really annoyed if they do the same with the limited edition child figure which I plan on skipping. Reko is pretty but she is 15 for cryin' out loud and the game's real draw should be its amazing hand drawn visuals and charming Nausicaa influence. Someone needs to tell Cave they don't need to start being raunchy like Psikyo for their new character driven cash-in to be successful.

[Recap]

Reko is pretty but she is 15 for cryin' out loud and the game's real draw should be its amazing hand drawn visuals and charming Nausicaa influence. Someone needs to tell Cave they don't need to start being raunchy like Psikyo for their new character driven cash-in to be successful.

Haven't you asked yourself why Mushi has a forthcoming home version coming just after some months in the arcades and Ketsui doesn't after 3 years?

[GaijinPunch]

Haven't you asked yourself why Mushi has a forthcoming home version coming just after some months in the arcades and Ketsui doesn't after 3 years?

I guess you could ask that of ESPRade, Dangun, and Progear as well then.

[Recap]

Haven't you asked yourself why Mushi has a forthcoming home version coming just after some months in the arcades and Ketsui doesn't after 3 years?

I guess you could ask that of ESPRade, Dangun, and Progear as well then.

Indeed.

[Icarus]

Someone needs to tell Cave they don't need to start being raunchy like Psikyo for their new character driven cash-in to be successful.

Even if this is Cave we are talking about, you don't honestly expect them to stay in business on the virtue of their games-making skill alone? Every company needs to make a bit of extra money somehow, and Reko is their key to a quick buck to fund other projects. Designing Reko in such a manner enabled them to market her as a character to every gamer (and probably every anime and manga fan) taste.

For every one or two like yourself who skip out on LE stuff because it seems "distasteful", there'll be at least ten around the corner queueing up to buy it in droves.

[Cugel]

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[Cugel]

Someone needs to tell Cave they don't need to start being raunchy like Psikyo for their new character driven cash-in to be successful.

Even if this is Cave we are talking about, you don't honestly expect them to stay in business on the virtue of their games-making skill alone? Every company needs to make a bit of extra money somehow, and Reko is their key to a quick buck to fund other projects. Designing Reko in such a manner enabled them to market her as a character to every gamer (and probably every anime and manga fan) taste.

And why can't Cave rely solely on their game-making skills? Shmups aren't a popular genre even in Japan. The only people playing and buying Cave games are fans.

Why beat around the bush with "in such a manner enabled them to market her". It's roricon and the underage Reko figure is targeted to Japanese otaku. The only people outside of Japan buying this game are Cave and shmups fans. Cave can do whatever they want but relying on borderline pedophilia to sell their products is reprehensible.

And in a previous post you mentioned that it's OK as long as no one is being hurt. You obviously don't know about underage school girl hookers in Japan. Men are acting out their pedophile fantasies in Japan. Rape doesn't have the same stigma as in the West. You only get several years for rape in Japan.

[Neon]

They have to do what they can to survive. DOJ only sold 15k copies, Galuda sold 10. It's not pretty but they have to try something.

People say it's a great game, so I'm not too worried about it, I'll just get the normal edition, who needs a figurine anyways

[Icarus]

And why can't Cave rely solely on their game-making skills? Shmups aren't a popular genre even in Japan. The only people playing and buying Cave games are fans.

Exactly, and my guess is they'll do anything to make some more money. We've already seen several examples of great game makers dying an untimely death, if making a character and exploiting them for every penny you can get keeps you afloat, then so be it. It's not easy making games, especially arcade ones which are probably stupidly expensive to produce.

Cave can do whatever they want but relying on borderline pedophilia to sell their products is reprehensible.

That may be, but if they see it as the best course of attack, then they'll probably follow it. Sex sells. Look at the scantily clad Rose sisters, I'd bet Meidi and Midi are below legal age as well. And Cave might probably follow the same route with them (and the rest of the tribe) as they've done with Reko.

And in a previous post you mentioned that it's OK as long as no one is being hurt. You obviously don't know about underage school girl hookers in Japan. Men are acting out their pedophile fantasies in Japan. Rape doesn't have the same stigma as in the West. You only get several years for rape in Japan.

First time I've heard of it. maybe I should rephrase this:

Although I might be wrong (I certainly haven't heard of many cases occuring), I would assume that at least Far Eastern otaku with a mild lolicon fetish don't have the tendency to act out their fantasies in real life...

...to this...

Although I might be wrong (I certainly haven't heard of many cases occuring), I would assume that at least SOME Far Eastern otaku with a mild lolicon fetish don't have the tendency to act out their fantasies in real life...

It's a sick world we live in.

[Cugel]

It's a sick world we live in.

Yes, indeed. Here's info on age of consent in Japan:

http://www.ageofconsent.com/japan.htm

The Japanese Constitution sets the age of consent at 13 but prefectures can set the age over that limit.

This is from the web page:

"Sex with those under 13 years of age is prohibited, but consensual sex with a 13-year-old is not prosecutable under the Criminal Code. According to current laws, in order to prove rape and forcible sexual contact with a minor age 13 or over, the prosecution must prove that the attacker threatened or used violence against the victim.

Currently, laws regarding prostitution with minors over 13 years of age are covered only by prefectural government ordinances.

Under the present Prostitution Prevention Law, selling the sexual services of children is illegal, but purchasing those services is not.

There is no law that directly prohibits the production and sale of child pornography. In 1996, 5,378 teenage girls were taken into police custody for sexual misconduct, of whom 562 were engaging in prostitution. According to a police survey of those girls, 46.8 percent said that they wanted spending money, while 29.6 percent said that they acted out of curiosity. "

[brokendivide]

If Reko hadn't been taken off the tree stump, would anyone even be talking about it being distasteful? It'd just be another figure of the main character of another game.

Its a sick world, but thats hardly Cave's fault.

[Cugel]

If Reko hadn't been taken off the tree stump, would anyone even be talking about it being distasteful? It'd just be another figure of the main character of another game.

It's pretty obvious without removing Reko from the tree stump:

http://www.click-stick.com/images/game/ ... e-back.jpg

[Ganelon]

Meh, different standards in different cultures. I find it quite annoying for outsiders to judge others based on their own standards. I could claim the western practice of having women painfully wax their leg hair is disgusting and reprehensible and should be prohibited.

The grey line between right and wrong is simply a random personal/societal placement and it takes will to realize that other people/societies may see things in entirely different perspectives than you do.

So what if Cave is intent on selling to the many lolicon fans in Japan? I personally don't respect them any less if they want to make some more money. If you're sick of what Cave's doing, just boycott them and stop buying their games or something. If you have the figure, break it and trash it or something. We really don't need moral elitists complaining about the revelations brought about by a fictional figure toy.

[Cugel]

Meh, different standards in different cultures. I find it quite annoying for outsiders to judge others based on their own standards. I could claim the western practice of having women painfully wax their leg hair is disgusting and reprehensible and should be prohibited.

The grey line between right and wrong is simply a random personal/societal placement and it takes will to realize that other people/societies may see things in entirely different perspectives than you do.

So what if Cave is intent on selling to the many lolicon fans in Japan? I personally don't respect them any less if they want to make some more money. If you're sick of what Cave's doing, just boycott them and stop buying their games or something. If you have the figure, break it and trash it or something. We really don't need moral elitists complaining about the revelations brought about by a fictional figure toy.

Moral elitists? Other cultures? I'm from North-East Asia myself. Don't give me your theoretical bullshit and outrage. And because the law allows it doesn't make it ethical. You're one of those angst-ridden people who believe there is no right or wrong. And equating hair waxing with pedophilia proves you're full of shit. Instead of rambling about theory and spouting nonsense, let's hear your position about child marriages, sex with 13 year olds, and female genital mutilation. They're all legal in certain societies. And if you're claiming these things are OK and no better than Western values then you're full of shit.

[jiji]

Cave's plan for pandering has been plain to me ever since the second or third piece of official Reko art surfaced on the net. However, since there are plenty of unrelated reasons why I want the game, I'm content to ignore the marketing and merchandise and just play. No LE (panties or no panties) for me, thanks.

[Ganelon]

Being from Asia doesn't mean a thing if it wasn't in Japan. The surrounding countries like China and Mongolia (don't know about Korea) have nowhere near the lolicon fetish that the Japanese have.

And actually, law helps mold societal morals even though it obviously doesn't define it (since otherwise killing Jews would've been a cool thing to do after the Nazis rose to power and before during the Polish and Spanish persecutions).

What do mean "theoretical bullshit?" Everything I said makes sense from a morally liberal view. If that's too hard for you to understand, you could always ask instead of asking like an elitist and resorting to insults.

I'm fine with everything you listed as long as everyone consents to it. Many African women desire genital mutilation to fit in with their society. I can't help that. It's only because some don't want to do have their clitoris rubbed out that I find it appropriate that the women should be helped. Child marriages aren't any different from teenage marriages or predetermined marriages; I find it awkward and emotionally meaningless but I respect the difference in beliefs. As for underage sex, I'm against rape but if the women, however young, wishes to have sex, even out of curiosity, then I'm OK with that.

Of course, I'm sure you entirely disagree with these views. I suppose it's good that you're only resorting to moral intolerance in words rather than in action...

Matters of these types don't belong on gaming forums. I'd say anybody who brings this sort of controversial stuff to a light-hearted board like this one is just asking for trouble...

[Cugel]

Being from Asia doesn't mean a thing if it wasn't in Japan. The surrounding countries like China and Mongolia (don't know about Korea) have nowhere near the lolicon fetish that the Japanese have.

And actually, law helps mold societal morals even though it obviously doesn't define it (since otherwise killing Jews would've been a cool thing to do after the Nazis rose to power and before during the Polish and Spanish persecutions).

What do mean "theoretical bullshit?" Everything I said makes sense from a morally liberal view. If that's too hard for you to understand, you could always ask instead of asking like an elitist and resorting to insults.

I'm fine with everything you listed as long as everyone consents to it. Many African women desire genital mutilation to fit in with their society. I can't help that. It's only because some don't want to do have their clitoris rubbed out that I find it appropriate that the women should be helped. Child marriages aren't any different from teenage marriages or predetermined marriages; I find it awkward and emotionally meaningless but I respect the difference in beliefs. As for underage sex, I'm against rape but if the women, however young, wishes to have sex, even out of curiosity, then I'm OK with that.

Of course, I'm sure you entirely disagree with these views. I suppose it's good that you're only resorting to moral intolerance in words rather than in action...

Matters of these types don't belong on gaming forums. I'd say anybodyly who brings this sort of controversial stuff to a light-hearted board like this one is just asking for trouble...

"morally liberal view" = oxymoron
That says everything about you in a NUTshell.

It's obvious you condone murder, cannibalism, rape, pedophilia, NAZIs, and everything under the sun as moral tolerance if a society approves it.

OK, we have nothing else to discuss.

[GaijinPunch]

"morally liberal view" = oxymoron
That says everything about you in a NUTshell.

That's proably the worst case of trolling I've ever seen. Saying what's right and wrong for OTHER people sounds like some right-wing Al Qaeda terrorist bullshit...especially when it's as something as meaningless as a figure without panties. Barbie didn't wear any fucking panties for the love of God.

[Ganelon]

I'm guessing you haven't taken any philosophy courses before, huh? The way you jump the gun to unfounded conclusions every time is sorta sad... It's obvious you didn't read everything I said or rather chose to interpret my words only by how you preconceived of them.

I was explaining that basic societal morals are just that: differing opinions. When free will gets in the way, that's when I start caring. If all the people in the society don't mind getting raped and murdered, well, that's their free will. It's when they do mind (and they generally do in the cases you listed) that I feel intervention is necessary. Basically, a variation of libertarianism.

Anyway, for the sake of ending this meaningless argument on an otherwise informative thread, you won't hear anymore from me. I only ask that after whatever response you may decide to make, that you'll please stop this pointless tirade.

[Dylan1CC]

OK, let's try not to get into a heated political discussion folks (re: the post which seems to be branching off into the holocaust and philosiphy).

And I personally think Cave could have marketed the heck outta some really neat Progear figurines or some sweet DOJ cyber doll figures as a few examples. Why does it have to be roricon to legitimize a console port? Seems like a narrow argument but hey, I aint in the strange Japanese marketing bracket this falls into and I aint them, what do I know.

No matter how likeable a character she is and all the marketing aside, I still am floored we are getting a home port. Never thought I'd see the day when Cave would actually warm up to porting by themselves (and DDP doesn't count, that was 8 years ago assuming it was them).

[japtor]

Look at the scantily clad Rose sisters, I'd bet Meidi and Midi are below legal age as well.

but look on the bright side, from the artwork, 4/6 of them do wear panties, and from the looks of the other two, they probably do too. then again, if you have a problem with crotchless pants, too bad.

[Cugel]

I'm guessing you haven't taken any philosophy courses before, huh? The way you jump the gun to unfounded conclusions every time is sorta sad... It's obvious you didn't read everything I said or rather chose to interpret my words only by how you preconceived of them.

I was explaining that basic societal morals are just that: differing opinions. When free will gets in the way, that's when I start caring. If all the people in the society don't mind getting raped and murdered, well, that's their free will. It's when they do mind (and they generally do in the cases you listed) that I feel intervention is necessary. Basically, a variation of libertarianism.

Anyway, for the sake of ending this meaningless argument on an otherwise informative thread, you won't hear anymore from me. I only ask that after whatever response you may decide to make, that you'll please stop this pointless tirade.

Pointless tirade? Gimme a break. It's a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Your thinking is muddled and weak. Get off your elitist soapbox. As far as name calling is concerned: calling me a moral elitist in your first post smacks of an idiot who can't think straight.

I won't make any more posts about this.

[Cugel]

fucking idiots.

Does that apply to you?

[Cugel]

"morally liberal view" = oxymoron
That says everything about you in a NUTshell.

That's proably the worst case of trolling I've ever seen. Saying what's right and wrong for OTHER people sounds like some right-wing Al Qaeda terrorist bullshit...especially when it's as something as meaningless as a figure without panties. Barbie didn't wear any fucking panties for the love of God.

I'm a liberal democrat. What are you? A happa communist socialist?

[undamned]

then again, if you have a problem with crotchless pants, too bad.

I wear crotchless pants to the grocery store.
-ud

[Ord]

Holy fuck! What happened to this, frankly bloody great thread? Please keep the politics out and get a bloody grip! It should be about the upcoming Mushihimesama port, not pedophillia. Fucking take it elswhere eh?

[GaijinPunch]

I'm a liberal democrat. What are you? A happa communist socialist?

I'm label-free, but generally don't vote for the right. I'm also a much better person than you for the simple fact that I know how to combine quotes from multiple threads, resulting in a much more thoughtful post for my fellow posters.