Emulation of new Cave shmups

Elaphe · Post by **Elaphe** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:48 pm

Anyone dares to bet how many years left until we see new Cave shmups emulated in MAME?

Udderdude · Post by **Udderdude** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:52 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beating_a_dead_horse

PROMETHEUS · Post by **PROMETHEUS** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:30 pm

I bet we see the next one in 3 years.

Macaw · Post by **Macaw** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:58 pm

SOMEONE TELL ME WHERE TO GET ROMZ FOR ESPGALUDA AND IBARA PLZ THX

elfhentaifan · Post by **elfhentaifan** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:36 pm

PROMETHEUS wrote:I bet we see the next one in 3 years.

but for ketsui we'll propably have to wait forever

Dandy J · Post by **Dandy J** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:17 pm

never

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:29 pm

Macaw wrote:SOMEONE TELL ME WHERE TO GET ROMZ FOR ESPGALUDA AND IBARA PLZ THX

Trading Forum ;D

lgb · Post by **lgb** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:36 pm

PROMETHEUS wrote:I bet we see the next one in 3 years.

Possibly so. They've still gotta crack DDPII first. Go ahead and laugh, IGS actually tried.

Battlesmurf · Post by **Battlesmurf** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:20 am

Possibly so. They've still gotta crack DDPII first. Go ahead and laugh, IGS actually tried.

explain, please : )

PROMETHEUS · Post by **PROMETHEUS** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:31 am

Who cares about DDP2, it's supposed to be a joke.

clp · Post by **clp** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:53 am

PROMETHEUS wrote:Who cares about DDP2, it's supposed to be a joke.

" supposed" which is the exact reason some of us would like to see for ourselves , even if its poor compared to other ddp its still be a good mame game compared to some others .

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:30 pm

not on mame:

ddp II bee storm
ketsui
espgaluda
ddp doj
ddp doj black label
mushihimesama
ibara
espgaluda II
ibara black label
pink sweets
mushihimetama
mushihimesama futari
mushihimesama futari 1.5
mushihimesama futari black label
muchi muchi pork
deathsmiles
(ddp dfk)

kemical · Post by **kemical** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 6:07 pm

maybe when the 360 ports are out some progress will be made, only suggesting that because it would be a lot easier to examine the game data which would be unencrypted in a pc related file format, and compare against the arcade data.. but I'm not sure what is encrypted on the arcade versions so it may be no help at all if it is the actual game code. (just thinking of how cps2 was figured out via the unencrypted cps-changer comparison stuff)..
But really, it doesn't seem like this stuff has as much attention from a lot of dedicated people as the neogeo, cps1 and cps2 emulation efforts had..

moozooh · Post by **moozooh** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 6:32 pm

Just fyi, PS2 emulation is coming along nicely. I've tried the recent build of PCSX2 emulator on my work machine (Athlon X2 4800+, 1 GB 667 MHz RAM, integrated graphics card), and it's been able to run Mushi at 20-25 fps. I believe I'd get up to 25-30 with a discrete graphics card easily, which is already quite good for a thing such as PS2 emulator.

Ligersknight · Post by **Ligersknight** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 6:39 pm

Macaw wrote:SOMEONE TELL ME WHERE TO GET ROMZ FOR ESPGALUDA AND IBARA PLZ THX

elfhentaifan · Post by **elfhentaifan** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:21 pm

Ligersknight wrote:
Macaw wrote:SOMEONE TELL ME WHERE TO GET ROMZ FOR ESPGALUDA AND IBARA PLZ THX

www.google.com

Master O · Post by **Master O** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:31 pm

Macaw wrote:SOMEONE TELL ME WHERE TO GET ROMZ FOR ESPGALUDA AND IBARA PLZ THX

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lgb · Post by **lgb** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:58 pm

jpj wrote:not on mame:

ddp II bee storm

Actually it's there. It just doesn't work yet. Unless they took out the entry in some future mame (after .112), it should still be in "Not Working".

I personally would like to play it myself. I don't like people comparing it to the others and saying "it sucks". It wasn't made by Cave, so you really can't blame anyone. If you want to blame Cave, blame them for licensing it to IGS to begin with.

Chi_Ryu · Post by **Chi_Ryu** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:00 pm

kemical wrote:maybe when the 360 ports are out some progress will be made

No. They will be ports, and so incomparable code-wise - otherwise someone would be using Mushihimesama and Ibara to crack SH3!

The encrypted PGM boards are not yet broken, let alone SH3. I wouldn't hold your breath waiting, tbh.

Square King · Post by **Square King** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:54 pm

moozooh wrote:Just fyi, PS2 emulation is coming along nicely. I've tried the recent build of PCSX2 emulator on my work machine (Athlon X2 4800+, 1 GB 667 MHz RAM, integrated graphics card), and it's been able to run Mushi at 20-25 fps. I believe I'd get up to 25-30 with a discrete graphics card easily, which is already quite good for a thing such as PS2 emulator.

Screencaps or it didn't happen.

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:12 am

i'd seen galuda running on a ps2 emu a while back. ran out a whopping 5 frames per second. pointless. and mushi running at 20 frames per second, was that even worth downloading? and how cheap does a person have to be to emulate a ps2...?

Square King · Post by **Square King** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:14 am

jpj wrote:and how cheap does a person have to be to emulate a ps2...?

freddiebamboo · Post by **freddiebamboo** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:15 am

Exactly, why bother when a JP PS2 is relatively cheap and allows you to play a shed load of cave and psikyo

Mame has made people expect everything for free it seems...

Square King · Post by **Square King** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:19 am

freddiebamboo wrote:Exactly, why bother when a JP PS2 is relatively cheap and allows you to play a shed load of cave and psikyo

Mame has made people expect everything for free it seems...

It's not really a question of expecting things for free. It's not even a question of affording a Japanese PS2. I'd rather have the opportunity to try it out before making the investment. Same with MAME. I try demos on my PC before I buy a game; why can't I do the same through emulation?

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:27 am

that can be an advantage. although when i get a game i don't like, i can usually re-sell for a similar value. but playing mushi at 20 frames per second on a pc probably isn't going to give you an accurate idea of whether you'll enjoy it on ps2. or just read the latest write-up of said game on insomnia.ac

i do think there are a lot of breadcrumb-snatchers on 'tinternet though

if the whole ketsui dump project is anything to go by, investing any time or money into emulating cave boards will probably be a big waste of your time.

Square King · Post by **Square King** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:29 am

jpj wrote:that can be an advantage. although when i get a game i don't like, i can usually re-sell for a similar value. but playing mushi at 20 frames per second on a pc probably isn't going to give you an accurate idea of whether you'll enjoy it on ps2. or just read the latest write-up of said game on insomnia.ac i do think there are a lot of breadcrumb-snatchers on 'tinternet though

if the whole ketsui dump project is anything to go by, investing any time or money into emulating cave boards will probably be a big waste of your time.

I agree with everything you've wrote here.

freddiebamboo · Post by **freddiebamboo** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:31 am

Square King wrote:
freddiebamboo wrote:Exactly, why bother when a JP PS2 is relatively cheap and allows you to play a shed load of cave and psikyo

Mame has made people expect everything for free it seems...
It's not really a question of expecting things for free. It's not even a question of affording a Japanese PS2. I'd rather have the opportunity to try it out before making the investment. Same with MAME. I try demos on my PC before I buy a game; why can't I do the same through emulation?

Watch a superplay or youtube vid, you see the pretty much what the game is going to do.

It's also well known that the major games on the PS2 are ported to a high - or at worst acceptable standard, it isn't really a risk forking out the money for the PS2.

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:41 am

freddiebamboo wrote: Watch a superplay or youtube vid

i do the same. and can usually make a decision after that if i wanna buy or not. and if it's youtube, it takes minutes, and no faffing about. whereas with mame you could end up not buying a really good game just because you've downloaded a shitty rom version that doesn't play well.

edit:

Square King wrote: I agree with everything you've wrote here.

Square King · Post by **Square King** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:48 am

If I would've based my opinion on Soldner X purely on gameplay vids, I probably would've bought it. Since I demo'd it, I passed. I understand what you guys are saying and where you're coming from. I just wish I could afford to spend my money on a huge arcade setup and not have to worry about emulation. As it stands, I enjoy shmups as a hobby (to the point where I built my own stick with Sanwa parts) but not to the point where I can drop hundreds on a PCB alone. So emulation is a big player for me.

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:08 am

too many guitars, that's your problem