Chaos Field on GC to be released in US

[Neon]

The only thing thats bad for the genre is people constanly being elitest towards Cave software and not giving anything else developed a chance.

Hardly elitist...have you even played DOJ? It is excellent. Especially compared to the utterly average Chaos Field (which I did 'give a chance').

We need to show them that there's a market for good shooters. Dragon Blaze coming out in Europe? That's fucking excellent news. Ditto for Gunbird pack. Ika coming to the states was one of the best things that could happen for it, as well, despite the poor quality of the port. Bought that for the full $40.

[Super Laydock]

Hardly elitist...have you even played DOJ? It is excellent. Especially compared to the utterly average Chaos Field (which I did 'give a chance').

The last part really sums it up: you were NOT qualified to make the comments you made ("turd of a game" )!
So DOJ is an excellent game (and yes imo a better game than Chaos Field), but that doesn't mean Chaos Field has no right to exist!? If you'd give it a chance you'd see that regardless of it's shortcomings (lack of high-score saving in the DC version and somewhat bland graphics) it really IS a nice game.
Do you remember yourself slagging off Trizeal even before it was released, solely based on a handful of other people's impressions? Now the game has come out you can obviously see that there are a lot of people digging it and you suddenly start talking about getting it...

[Cthulhu]

I wasn't too thrilled with the DC version of Chaos Field but I'm glad it's get a US release anyway. If it's cheap (which it probably will be) I might get it anyway... "just because."

[CMoon]

I don't think 'just any shmup' coming out in the US is necessarily a good thing. I hear what Neon is saying; to me Chaos Field is one of the worst games to come out of late (only matched IMO by XIIStag). Trizeal -should- be the game coming out in the US, not chaos field.

The issue that Neon is raising is basically, given that the US has no love for shmups, why serve up such a low profile game that is controversial even among shmup fans? If games like Border Down, Dragon Blaze or Trizeal were going out in the US, it MIGHT be possible to build up a fan base again.

[jp]

The only thing thats bad for the genre is people constanly being elitest towards Cave software and not giving anything else developed a chance.

Very true.



Although I do agree with Neon. Chaos Field really isn't worth anybody's time... same goes for Shikigami no Shiro 2.

[roushimsx]

]My plan of action now is to pick up the US GC version when it comes out, and if I like it as much as I think I will, I'll probably get the DC version too simply for the VGA output.

Just bite the bullet and pick up an HDMI cable for your Gamecube. Playing via hdmi/component on an hdtv is quite a bit better than being forced to play on a little 17-21inch monitor

[Neon]

Do you remember yourself slagging off Trizeal even before it was released, solely based on the demo games, the videos, the fact that he had to beg people to buy it? Now the game has come out you can obviously see that there are a lot of people digging it and you suddenly start talking about getting it...Rolling Eyes Confused

bold part = fixed

Though it was pretty clear to me from the start it wouldn't be very good, I still think it probably won't be due to the opinions of a few people who've played it I trust and have no emotional stake in the game's success. They said it was like a bad PC Engine shooter and from what I've seen, especially Kiken's vid, I'd have to believe them. I bet it's terrible, especially in comparison to DOJ.

[Kron]

Perhaps if you tried playing games instead of judging them from poorly encoded vids then you wouldn't have such idiosyncratic views.

[yojo!]

I don't understand why chaos field gets that much hate; this is an excellent game. The gameplay mechanics is truly innovative.The scoring system is addictive too. I usually sticks to old schools shooters but this manic one got my attention. I don't care much about graphics (even though I don't think Chaos field 's one are that bad), what matters is the gameplay and Chaos field rules in that departement. The techno tunes are good too and stand on their own even when you don't play the game.
Give this game a chance please !

[icepick]

I like how people use intelligent reasoning to keep themselves from enjoying games.

To each their own. HUGS FOR EVERYBODY!

Aside from the other points being mentioned in this thread, I think that... well, these localizing companies are looking for titles which might be somewhat-accepted by the US sub-mainstream gaming demographic. 3D rendering of course probably has a lot to do with it, but if I might note something... Odd as it may seem, the XBOX might be the largest proponent of dispelling the idea that 3D is the only way to go for now the future -- I was stunned to see how many bitmap-based titles are coming out for the system, and they seem to be increasing, if anything!

The downside is that the reason that the XB is getting all of the titles is because Sony CEA apparently has something against such games. If they see that such games are selling well, though, then they might be more open to allowing such games... But for now, there actually might not be much of a market for such games as Cave's PS2 ports. The console is swamped with releases as it is, and the scroll shooting genre is still much less-understood than 2D fighting. Remember what Mastiff said, when asked about the idea.

Bringing Cave's titles over here would definitely be a good thing for the local scene, but right now, it would probably be wasted. Most of the people interested already have the imports, and while I'm sure that many would buy additional local version for a many reasons, that might not be enough. Warming the general public back up to these games is a great idea, and it's debatable as to whether something like Chaos Field or something like DDP DOJ would be better. Would people truly understand either? You might not want to turn someone off to swimming by first sitting them down in a wading pool, but you don't simply drop them into the deep end, either.

About the idea of Trizeal being brought over here... What a nice thought! It would be extremely accessible, in my opinion. Simple system, simple shooting, and lots of fun. Maybe someday, maybe never...

whoops...
Damn my rushed reading

It's okay! I started to feel really embarassed for a second; It was fun!

[jiji]

Good news. I'd been considering picking GC CF up, but didn't want to pay the usual import price. I don't think it's incredible, but it does some interesting things of its own and it's certainly competent. Love the music, too. A lower price for the US release will have me buying it quickly.

The title will be published by Q-3 and is scheduled for a late summer debut, according to the company.

I'm almost positive this is a typo for O~3. Matt C might need to have his eyesight checked.

The only thing thats bad for the genre is people constanly being elitest towards Cave software and not giving anything else developed a chance.

I prefer progressive, interesting, fun games, not reborn examples of the early-90s deluge of mediocrity that nearly killed the genre. Mr. Triangle can swing any way he wants, but I won't be indulging him. Skonec, G.rev, Mile Stone, ZUN, even Cave? My doors are wide open for them. :D

[LoneSage]

Awesome, I'm picking this one up on Day 1 Can't wait to check it out, 2005's turning out to be one helluva year for shmups...

[Cabinet]

I don't understand why chaos field gets that much hate (...) Give this game a chance please !

I have to second yojo. I admit it, CF´s graphics are utter sh*te compared to other modern STGs, but the gameplay and boss-only level structure is something that stands out from the crowd. And the musical score (not so much the Original Mode remixes, though) is one of best I´ve heard since Thunderforce V.

That said, I really wonder if there´s gonna be any incentive for me to buy the US release; I´d have to import it either way...

[Dartagnan1083]

whoops...
Damn my rushed reading

It's okay! I started to feel really embarassed for a second; It was fun!

You know, everyone in my family speed reads and interprets things a little fast. "Published by Q-3" tells me that it will be published by that time...plus my inner Sega-whore really wanted to belive that sega would do something nice

This happens a lot, and I'm conviced that my family will give the world a whole new strain of some kind of dislexia

[Dylan1CC]

Rave huh? I take it you're forutnate like me to have more than a few fellow shooter friends in real life? Great Ikaruga avatar btw.

Ikaruga? Isn't that the Radiant Silvergun?

Yeah, it's a Silvergun avatar, but the black and white makes it a nice blend between Radiant Silvergun and Ikaruga, reflecting the fact that there's some common ground. I can't remember where I got it from but I thought it was very appropriate. Maybe Kiken's site?

I concur.

[Neon]

Perhaps if you tried playing games instead of judging them from poorly encoded vids then you wouldn't have such idiosyncratic views.

I did that with Chaos Field and you said, exactly, "Well done Mr. Warezer."

Damned if I do, damned if I don't

Not going to pirate this game...not going to buy it either though. Maybe someone is willing to lend me their copy.

[yojo!]

but the gameplay and boss-only level structure is something that stands out from the crowd. And the musical score (not so much the Original Mode remixes, though) is one of best I´ve heard since Thunderforce V.

One thing that I really love about it is that there are no downtime; the game always keeps you on your toes. I never fall asleep even when playing at 3AM in the morning. The chaos vs order mode is pure genius; it gives some much flexibilty to the chaining mechanism; possibilties are endless. This game is a masterpiece IMO, one of the top 3 in the last 10 years.

[neorichieb1971]

Put me down for a copy at $20

[TVG]

bold part = fixed

Though it was pretty clear to me from the start it wouldn't be very good, I still think it probably won't be due to the opinions of a few people who've played it I trust and have no emotional stake in the game's success. They said it was like a bad PC Engine shooter and from what I've seen, especially Kiken's vid, I'd have to believe them. I bet it's terrible, especially in comparison to DOJ.

i finally got to play it, had the simmilar impressions after watching the vid and frankly, i dont know what the hype is all about.

its just a raiden clone with unbelievably easy first stages (as in, nothing harms you for the most part) and the latter stages slowdown so much that its not funny. its also very ugly to the point of straight bad taste.
in the good part, the ship transforms (it stays ugly, tho) and the weapon system is kinda well tought, if you're being generous i guess.

i can understand that some people are all oozy when they read "shooting love", but id rather maintain my "love for good shooters" by playing some quality ones, like raiden 2.

granted, i didnt play it much, and didnt want to either, it was at a shmupmeet with so much good stuff that i dont know why id waste my time trying trizeal, but maybe the game will grow on me once i play the boring first 2 stages a couple more times, or maybe not.
i still stand on the "there's better freeware" side.

edit: chaos field seems more interesting, id play it if i get the chance to, the only thing that scares me a bit is that ive read that the slowdown is pretty much constant, i gotta try it to know i guess.

[Rob]

in the good part, the ship transforms (it stays ugly, tho) and the weapon system is kinda well tought, if you're being generous i guess.

Was done almost identically in games like Macross (SF), but to much better effect. All weapons reset on death: blarg. All weapons powered up effect all weapons, so it ends up being quite homogenized. In games like Macross you'd get choices between ships with more variation (and usefulness) between weapons than the one ship here. In Trizeal it's like what's the point? Narrowest version works best for scoring, as weak as the scoring system is, and that's about it. If people want to play a scoring game they should try out Giga Wing Generations. If they want a "blaster," look back 10 years. Surely there's something unplayed better than that game.

And Chaos Field sucks.

[deadninja]

*dusts off wavebird*

Hells yeah. Chaos Field might not be Uber-Manic-Shmup Bliss, but I'll buy ~any~ U.S. released shooting title at this point. <insert rant about the lack of good U.S. releases here> Even if only to put my ca$h in to the dwindling North American shmup market. Nuff said.

[Skyline]

...and we'll probably see Raiden 3 as well.

Raiden III would sell off of name recognition ALONE, frankly not localizing it for the US PS2 market (assuming Taito is continuing to port Type-X titles to that platform) would be a missed financial opportunity.

At any rate, the selection of Chaos Field for localization is an obscure one, although granted there isn't much more of a shmup selection for the Gamecube market. The game is fun as hell when you get the feel of the scoring system, but it might be too complicated for the Averages Joes out there. Guaranteed EGM and most other reviewers will dive into that aspect of the game, and make it sound worse than it actually is.

I'll be buying this (and re-selling soon after since I don't have a Gamecube :B) to show my support. I know my best friend's brother is gtetting it, since he likes CF but hates the DC pad.

chaos field seems more interesting, id play it if i get the chance to, the only thing that scares me a bit is that ive read that the slowdown is pretty much constant, i gotta try it to know i guess.

Not really. The slowdown is kind of jittery although not that annoying (things stay quick when there's a load of bullets on screen, but start to slow when you blow stuff up). Releasing 100 simultaneous Lock-Ons will slow the game to a crawl...although in latter levels it helps a lot.

[alpha5099]

in the good part, the ship transforms (it stays ugly, tho) and the weapon system is kinda well tought, if you're being generous i guess.

Was done almost identically in games like Macross (SF), but to much better effect. All weapons reset on death: blarg. All weapons powered up effect all weapons, so it ends up being quite homogenized. In games like Macross you'd get choices between ships with more variation (and usefulness) between weapons than the one ship here. In Trizeal it's like what's the point? Narrowest version works best for scoring, as weak as the scoring system is, and that's about it. If people want to play a scoring game they should try out Giga Wing Generations. If they want a "blaster," look back 10 years. Surely there's something unplayed better than that game.

And Chaos Field sucks.

*gasp* Rob speaking out against a game he doesn't like?!

[Rob]

I've been trying to hold it back, but it just came spilling out.

[Shazzner]

Hell yeah! Were getting a new shooter!

[highlandcattle]

When i first got CFexpanded it thought my god what the hell are you supposed to do? But once you get a hold on the gamesystem it becomes really fun.
I personaly don't understand why people like Psikyo all their games are exactly the same and those who are different (like ZG2) are extremly bland (the final boss how lame is he?).
I for one look forward to more original verts like Psyvariar ,Chaos field or DJJ

[Stormwatch]

Zero Gunner 2's last boss is really bad, but the rest of the game kicks ass.

[TVG]

zero gunner 2 is one of the actual games that look decent in 3D, along with ikaruga and...well i dunno, havent played border down.

unlike most of the games, the 3D was a necessity, not the easy way out.

[neojma]

1. Chaos Field is shit. I pre-ordered my DC copy and got it on day 1. I'm glad I did so, because I like to get every new console shmup and try it for myself. It's not like we're overwhelmed with releases, so I can afford to take a risk. But CF is honestly the worst new shmup I've played in the past five years. I've tried. I gave it a break and came back hoping to see something new (multiple times). I still don't like it. I enjoy a couple of the music tracks, but that's about it. Ugly game, boring bosses, no levels (I hate boss attack games) = poor game. The Chaos/Order gimmick isn't too bad, but a decent mechanic can't make up for the flaws. Besides, it's not like we don't have a fairly recent game that uses a similar mechanic far more effectively (EspGaluda).

2. If you really want to support shmups, buy Japanese. The few thousand US sales of a budget port aren't going to convince Japanese game makers to create more shmups. What is? Japanese sales. That's all they look at.

3. If you want the US shooter revival, Chaos Field is NOT how you get it done. This game is going to turn more people AWAY from the genre. It truly backs up the common US perception that the genre is useless and hopelessly stuck in the past. Once somebody who is on the fence tries CF, they'll likely never touch a US release of a shmup again, even if it turns out to be a good one (Raiden III, Mushihime, etc). I hope it's worth it to you as genre fans for some budget publisher to scrounge up a couple thousand sales at $20-$30 a pop and in the process kill the little remaining good will toward the genre from the typical American gamer.

Stuff like Gradius V and Ikaruga are good. Heck, Shikigami 2 is not bad. It would be fabulous if we did get stuff like EspGaluda, Mushihime, DOJ, or the Psikyo collections. But no, we get a game even diehard fans of the genre have been criticizing. Guess it doesn't matter too much to me, as I'll keep on importing. But it's sad to see...

[Recap]

unlike most of the games, the 3D was a necessity, not the easy way out.

Isn't Cave showing us that 3D wasn't "a necessity"?