A note on Troma

[captain ahar]

i really like and respect Troma as a company. Lloyd Kaufmans is nonstop hilarity. but i have a problem with their movies, it seems that when i watch one, no matter how much i am enjoying it, i am let down in some indescribable way. i just saw Tromeo and Juliet last night, and really enjoyed it for the most part, but it also left me cold (juliet trying to ditch her suitor, Ques non stop farting, others).

i understand i may be "in the wrong mind," but anyway.

oh, and don't anyone see Irreversible unless you want your emotions to be completely toyed with. redefines "hard to watch," which is strange considering it is really well made, and acted.

[Cugel]

I like Troma flicks but don't expect any kind of deep meaning. You just have to flow with the movie. Have you seen lots of Troma flicks like SGT. KABUKI MAN NYPD, NUKEM HIGH, TOXIC AVENGERS, or SURF NAZIS MUST DIE?

If you want off-beat stuff with "deep" meanings, Takashi Miike is your man. Try films like AUDITION:

http://tinyurl.com/7j7ye

or ICHI THE KILLER which will redefine a pumped-up dude:

http://tinyurl.com/9492o

[Pastel Maelstrom]

or ICHI THE KILLER which will redefine a pumped-up dude:

http://tinyurl.com/9492o

It will also redefine "painful to watch." And this is coming from a man who just loves brutal, bloody-minded cinema. I mean, it's obvious that it's special effects in a lot of places but stuff in there made me wince.

[Cugel]

It will also redefine "painful to watch." And this is coming from a man who just loves brutal, bloody-minded cinema. I mean, it's obvious that it's special effects in a lot of places but stuff in there made me wince.

Yes, some of my friends couldn't watch ICHI as some of the scenes freaked them out. But there is plenty of dark comedy in the film. I was referring to the scene where the Yakuza dude was going to kill Ichi's handler who looked like a small, unassuming dude until he took off his jacket and flexed himself into an incredible hulk. The look on the Yakuza dude and my friends was priceless.

[roushimsx]

oh, and don't anyone see Irreversible unless you want your emotions to be completely toyed with. redefines "hard to watch," which is strange considering it is really well made, and acted.

I love Vincent Cassel and Monica Bellucci and bought that film based on hype. What a complete waste of money and talent. The actors are all awesome and do a great job, the director had a nice little gimmick he wanted to abuse the hell out of (great special effects and those long takes really showcased the actors' abilities), but the movie was just dumb as shit. I don't hate it because it's an artfag movie, but because it's a bad artfag movie. It's all about excess and seeing how far the director can go to get a reaction out of the audience. Miike Takahashi is a similar no talent assclown that hides behind gore and suffering to mask the fact that he's just a shitty director churning out bad low budget crap at an alarmingly fast rate.

[Cugel]

Miike Takahashi is a similar no talent assclown that hides behind gore and suffering to mask the fact that he's just a shitty director churning out bad low budget crap at an alarmingly fast rate.

I don't know what an ASSCLOWN is but I keep getting the picture of a hairy asshole with Bozo makeup.

Care to enlighten us with specifics as oppossed to gross generalizations why Miike is bad?

[sjewkestheloon]

i'll second the uncomfortable audition.... guy in a bag is legendary with me and my mates after watching that....

love the bits of troma i've managed to see. terror ferma (sp?) is one of the funniest and most disgusting things ive ever seen lol. the benny hill esque scene when the fat guy has a cast on his head, gets blown off, and then runs terrified naked across the city only to have his head squashed like a watermelon by a bus. long live lloyd

[roushimsx]

Care to enlighten us with specifics as oppossed to gross generalizations why Miike is bad?

Unfortunatly I haven't got the hours required to detail every aspect of every one of his movies that blows, but I will say that for the most part he relies on just going totally over the top to try to drive a reaction out of the audience. I'd love to see what he could do if he teamed up with Uwe Boll.

Sure, he could have gone for the lesbian scene in Fudoh, but that just wouldn't have been as POWERFUL as suddenly revealing that the pussy-dart-shooting-stripper was actually a shemale (omg, brilliant!).

What a better way to wrap up an action love story than to have the main character, bleeding his fucking guts out, write out "LOVE" in big huge graceful letters in an alleyway as he died? (Hazard City)

or...oh fuck it. You like him, I don't. I could go on for a while and tear apart his movies piece by piece (Visitor Q is good for that) but I really don't care enough to, especially since it's keeping me away from playing Shining Force in the other window (and I hope you won't take offense to the fact that I'd prefer to play Shining Force than further discuss something I so strongly dislike ). Of his movies, the one I did really enjoy was Audition.

[sethsez]

Miike doesn't make brilliant movies, he makes schlock. And that's fine, because with films like Fudoh, he's not pretending that they're anything else. On the other hand, Audition, Sabu, and The Bird People in China are all very intelligent, interesting films that show he's capable of far more than lactation jokes and copius amounts of blood (which are the films he's most well known for).

[Acid King]

artfag

He's got a mustache.

[captain ahar]

I like Troma flicks but don't expect any kind of deep meaning. You just have to flow with the movie. Have you seen lots of Troma flicks like SGT. KABUKI MAN NYPD, NUKEM HIGH, TOXIC AVENGERS, or SURF NAZIS MUST DIE?

i own Toxic Avenger and can barely stand it. the "talent" is just hard to watch, and i know they're not pros for the most part (the mayor does a good job though). i saw nukem high, and thought it was alright (was several years ago so i can't really comment further). Terror Firmer i plan on renting soon, and there a few others i have my eye on (Troma's War is among these).

as far as Takashi Miike, i loved The Happiness of the Katakuris, but that is the extent of my experience with him. The Bird People in China and Audtion are two others i want to see.

[Cugel]

or...oh fuck it. You like him, I don't. I could go on for a while and tear apart his movies piece by piece (Visitor Q is good for that) but I really don't care enough to, especially since it's keeping me away from playing Shining Force in the other window (and I hope you won't take offense to the fact that I'd prefer to play Shining Force than further discuss something I so strongly dislike ). Of his movies, the one I did really enjoy was Audition.

No offense taken. Thanks for the intelligent comments. And we should be playing shmups or games instead of ANALyzing movies.

[sethsez]

Troma movies are bad on purpose. If you're watching them looking for any quality at all, you're going in with the wrong mindset.

[thesuperkillerxxx]

I saw Surf Nazis Must Die in 1997 at Camp Lejeune. They had it at the base movie rental store and I picked it up on a whim.

WOW

Made the wife watch it maybe a year ago.

WOW

[sethsez]

Tromeo and Juliet is probably Troma's shining moment. I mean, the thing has Lemmy from Motorhead narrating a loose adaptation of a Shakespeare play. For a Troma movie, you really can't ask for anything better.

[captain ahar]

i want to see the early "sexy comedies" too.

anyway, anyone seen Bleak Future, or any others by Anarchy 101?