resolution and scanlines discussion from 360 ports thread

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:34 am

tl;dr scanlines are an artifact of CRT display systems

do I win something?

Udderdude · Post by **Udderdude** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:53 am

Another thread derailed. Nice job, guys.

szycag · Post by **szycag** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:26 am

help, i don't get clue 2

bkk · Post by **bkk** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:27 am

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:34 am

icycalm wrote:So many people have posted their thoughts on this subject in this forum, and I have yet to come across a single one who seems to realize what the main issue is.

NFG wrote:The artist didn't add scanlines and blur the image, the TV did.

Actually undamned said that one post before yours... I said it a few posts ago in not so many words. The point isn't where the scanlines come from, the point is, they are there on the display the game was original intended for.

What's my prize?

EDIT: Can't hotlink from your source of clue 2, FYI.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:37 am

GaijinPunch wrote:What's my prize?

Look above your post.

Also, bkk is like BTK's funnier successor, but his joke proved to be too much for poor icycalm. RIP icycalm, 1989-2008

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:54 am

Scanlines make my eyes hurt because my eyes do not adjust well to looking at something that flashes something in your eye 60 times a second as opposed to a constant stream of light. Pixel doubling on an LCD is way easier on the eyes. I don't care if they make things look "pixelated" or whatever. If you removed the scanlines from a CRT display the result would look much closer to interpolated.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:00 am

xoxo nzero

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:41 am

Scanlines make my eyes hurt because my eyes do not adjust well to looking at something that flashes something in your eye 60 times a second as opposed to a constant stream of light.

Sounds like you're referring to scanlines simulated over an interlaced image (like what happens when you run a 480i game through an XRGB2). I don't understand the "flashing".

PaCrappa · Post by **PaCrappa** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:01 am

Personally I can't fuck with the fake lo-res or any of that funky shit.

Never touch the stuff.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:22 am

GaijinPunch wrote:
Scanlines make my eyes hurt because my eyes do not adjust well to looking at something that flashes something in your eye 60 times a second as opposed to a constant stream of light.
Sounds like you're referring to scanlines simulated over an interlaced image (like what happens when you run a 480i game through an XRGB2). I don't understand the "flashing".

Still happens with 240p sources, like an SNES. You might not notice the flashing, but I do.

My eyes can't handle the perfection that is blurry pixels along a low-resolution aperture grill with darkened lines on a CRT.

PaCrappa · Post by **PaCrappa** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:15 am

Blurry? Sounds like somebody needs to lay off the S-video.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:28 am

or component video

PaCrappa · Post by **PaCrappa** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:40 pm

OUCH!

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:28 pm

why the fuck didn't america adopt rgb inputs on CRT TV's...?

Mitsuho · Post by **Mitsuho** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 7:01 pm

Composite (Not component) can be muxed to coax for under $25USD for old televisions. Nyko makes a $15USD VGA,Composite,YCbCr adapter (With cooling fans that cannot be turned off unfortunantly.) if you don't have the official cables.

My problem with the 360 hardware is the audio actually. Why do I have to use the toslink? You'd think if they wanted a 'media' system they'd have a simple 3.5mm headphone option for non-audiophiles...

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:17 pm

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 1:16 am

jpj wrote:why the fuck didn't america adopt rgb inputs on CRT TV's...?

Same reason we invaded Iraq Dipshits running the place.

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 10:08 am

How come ninjas don't use scanlines as weapons....

Udderdude · Post by **Udderdude** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 10:40 am

Strider77 wrote:Scanlines use ninjas as weapons....

Fixed. Scanlines are just THAT AWESOME.