Cave ripped off Michael Jackson. EVIDENCE INSIDE!!!

Post by **spadgy** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:53 am

The Coop wrote:What thread on this topic would be complete without mentioning the music for Doom, Bobby Prince, and various acts like Alice in Chains, Stone Temple Pilots, and Soundgarden.

Those acts riped off Doom did they? Never heard that or noticed it myself...

JoshF · Post by **JoshF** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:44 am

I guess he's saying the composers of Doom found inspiration in corporate pop punk/metal arena rock boybands (post-buttrock?)

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:08 pm

the demons in prince's metronome

Post by **spadgy** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 1:30 pm

JoshF wrote:metal arena rock boybands (post-buttrock?)

Brilliant - I always hated those bands when my mates got into them, but that said I was about 15 and listening to The Kinks, so I wasn't much cooler. Back then I never imagined I'd get into heavy music...

The Coop · Post by **The Coop** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:28 pm

JoshF wrote:I guess he's saying the composers of Doom found inspiration in corporate pop punk/metal arena rock boybands (post-buttrock?)

Bingo. There's about a dozen or so songs that "borrowed" riffs from well known bands at the time. Some are questionable, others are painfully blatant (like map 25 and Alice in Chain's "Angry Chair"). You should hear the unused tracks that Romero released last year. It's like Bobby Prince had a hard on for Alice in Chains

JoshF · Post by **JoshF** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:04 pm

I'm saying this as someone who used to.

Do you have any samples?

The Coop · Post by **The Coop** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:39 pm

Indeed I do...

http://rome.ro/media/doom_unreleased_music.zip

Right there are the unused tracks. Some got tweaked and used in the game, but a lot didn't. Here are the one's I recognized in that zip...

un46- Alice in Chains' "Angry Chair".
un45- "God Smack" by Alice in Chains.
un44- shares a number of similarities to "Dirt" by Alice in Chains.
un42- quite similar to "Junkhead" by Alice in Chains
un41- feels a little like "Rooster" by Alice in Chains in the beginning, but possibly only because I'd been hearing so many AiC riffs up to this point.
un32- "Outshined" by Soundgarden.
un36- I can't place this one, but it's rather familiar.
un28- "Them Bones" by Alice in Chains (wound up in the game)
un23- blatantly "Sex Type Thing" by the Stone Temple Pilots
un20- "Man in the Box" riff by Alice in Chains

And of course, here are the ones that were officially used, with comparisons...

http://www.doomworld.com/linguica/doomcovers/

RuffNEC · Post by **RuffNEC** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:42 pm

pixelcorps wrote:here's another :

click the headphone icon next to jupiter jazz..by underground resistance (1992)

http://www.interstellarsounds.co.uk/pro ... estsellers

yeeees world class tune!! I always loved the Stage 2 sound of Battle Garegga but I could never do the link betweend this "galaxy 2 galaxy" tune called jupiter jazz which I also know of course!

Which Game (Stage) does sample the 808 State riffs ?

JoshF · Post by **JoshF** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:01 pm

Right there are the unused tracks. Some got tweaked and used in the game, but a lot didn't. Here are the one's I recognized in that zip...

Had to flip through Dirt to get some of them. Jesus. Why not throw in the Iron Gland segment while your at it Bobby?

un36- I can't place this one, but it's rather familiar.

Soundgarden or Rage? Don't make me dust off any more albums.

JoshF · Post by **JoshF** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:25 pm

Ha, found another one, un19 is pretty much the riff from the first track of Facelift.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mTIAaJcc0I0

EDIT: un21-f is Dead and Bloated.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Rv_BJ_mh6DU

pixelcorps · Post by **pixelcorps** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:07 pm

RuffNEC wrote:
pixelcorps wrote:here's another :

Which Game (Stage) does sample the 808 State riffs ?

the opening of mushihime sama stage one has an uncanny reseblence to pacific state.

there are other tracks in garegga that also borrow heavily from some early kenny larkin tracks.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:45 pm

Awesome, people should start using this previously unreleased DOOM music in their WADs, amirite? :)

On the other hand, oh bobby prince u so bad

JoshF · Post by **JoshF** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:01 pm

I found a couple more but I'm going to try to complete the list.

MathU · Post by **MathU** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:51 pm

http://www.doomworld.com/linguica/doomcovers/

Dale · Post by **Dale** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:59 pm

I honestly think that this is all coincidence, their are only so many melodies bands and video game composers can create. 40 plus years of similar instruments being used caused this.

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:31 am

No coincidence, no way - the Japanese have been plundering samples from popular media for years.

Remember the most utterly bloodcurdling death throe in a videogame? It's Golden Axe when you hack one of those guys down and they let out a really drawn out wail of pain.

S'ripped from fucking RAMBO! I was watching it with a mate, and I can't remember the exact bit (I think it's a forest chase where one of the police gets injured by a trap - can't really remember, you'll have to watch it), and the guy lets out this scream and my friend jumps up and stops the film. Next thing he's booting up mame on his laptop and we match the two together. A perfect copy, and a great scream!

Sega and their sneaky thievery - brilliant!

JoshF · Post by **JoshF** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:04 am

Golden Axe & First Blood
Revenge of Death Adder also uses samples from a Conan movie.

Anyway, here's an updated list after a wasted day. I need to solve this puzzle!

un13 S.O.D. - Milano Mosh
un15 Bachman Turner Overdrive (!!!) - Let It Ride
un17 Slayer - Raining Blood
un18 Slayer - Silent Scream
un19 Alice In Chains - We Die Young
un20 Alice In Chains - Man In The Box
un21-f Stone Temple Pilots - Dead and Bloated
un23 Stone Temple Pilots - Sex Type Thing
un28 Alice In Chains - Them Bones
un31 Soundgarden - Rusty Cage
un32 Soundgarden - Outshined
un39 Alice In Chains - Rain When I Die
un41 Alice In Chains - Rooster
un42 Alice In Chains - Junkhead
un43 Alice In Chains - Dirt
un44 AC/DC - Big Gun
un45 Alice In Chains - God Smack
un46 Alice In Chains - Angry Chair
un48 Slayer - Behind the Crooked Cross
un51 Pantera - Walk
un52 Slayer - South of Heaven

If we find anymore I'll update this post.

Dale · Post by **Dale** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:56 am

Sampling an actual sound clip and sitting down and replicating a song they like with different technology is two different things. If you compare hundred's of rock and metal songs you'll find similarities at least as apparent as the Doom to Mettalica comparison's. Now I'm not saying that a few of these aren't blatant inspired tracks, but every little melody that's sounds similar wasn't for any reason.

JoshF · Post by **JoshF** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 2:02 am

Which ones aren't blatantly inspired?

Dale · Post by **Dale** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 2:09 am

Everything was inspired by everything. No one goes out of their way to make a guitar and drum loop specifically based off of one song. So much music sounds so similar.

Edit:Maybe some people go out of their way to do it. But not every single two similar sounding song has this as the case. What's so hard to believe about two people just so happening to choose the same few notes for about a minute or two of their song, When hundred's of pieces of music are made every year?

The Coop · Post by **The Coop** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 2:28 am

Dale wrote:Everything was inspired by everything. No one goes out of their way to make a guitar and drum loop specifically based off of one song. So much music sounds so similar.

Edit:Maybe some people go out of their way to do it. But not every single two similar sounding song has this as the case. What's so hard to believe about two people just so happening to choose the same few notes for about a minute or two of their song, When hundred's of pieces of music are made every year?

In the case of the Doom games, chance has nothing to do with it. Bobby Prince copied the songs and made adjustments so they weren't exact copies (barely in some cases), and John Romero asked him to do it basically.

Dale · Post by **Dale** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 2:30 am

I've never heard of this type of sampling before, interesting.

Edit:No one in those bands got pissed? I suppose they never really noticed.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:43 am

Dale wrote:Edit:No one in those bands got pissed?

Apparently not.

I suppose they never really noticed.

Wrong assumption. The "borrowed" riffs couldn't be more obvious most of the time

Shocky · Post by **Shocky** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:21 pm

Check out this video to hear how Dimmu Borgir plagiarized Tim Wright's music from the Amiga shmup Agony:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE6WFQR8Oik

(btw, the Amiga sounds in the video are somehow slightly distorted, it's supposed to sound crisper and better...)

Shame on Dimmu Borgir, the plagiarizers.

Dale · Post by **Dale** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:39 pm

I know that they are obvious, but I meant they probably never played the game to hear them.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:41 pm

Dale wrote:I meant they probably never played the game to hear them.

Young people in a band...overwhelming popularity of the game...and no fan wrote them a letter saying "hey they stole the idea."

PLAUSIBLE

Everybody's played DOOM, man. Where do you think drummers get their super reflexes from? (well okay that's backwards but you get the idea)

rtw · Post by **rtw** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 6:48 pm

spadgy wrote:Crazy Britney Spears copied something from Salamander once.

I don't think it's copied. The Salamander uses a VLM5030 to create the voices. The VLM5030 is a Pulse Code Modulation sound processor which is used to create synthesized speech.

Listening to the Britney track it just sounds like they use a computer generated voice or a vocoder to achieve the same effect.

rtw

zinger · Post by **zinger** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:36 pm

JoshF wrote:Revenge of Death Adder also uses samples from a Conan movie.

Hah, that's funny. I actually noticed when I watched it shortly after our highscore battle. It also contains samples from Willow (the movie), which I watched only a few days later.

Leandro · Post by **Leandro** » Fri Jul 09, 2010 5:08 am

Check this out

U2 - Staring At The Sun (Monster Truck Remix)

Instantly recognizable small sample at the beggining but it took me some minutes to figure out where I've heard it before... It was fun trying to remember

Jockel · Post by **Jockel** » Fri Jul 09, 2010 7:07 am

I think Cave is a pretty cool guy. eh rips off Michael Jackson and doesnt afraid of anything.

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