What do you find to be the best music for shmups?

ROBOTRON · Post by **ROBOTRON** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:53 pm

Squarepusher
Baby Mammoth
Fila Brazillia

Post by **spadgy** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:11 pm

Minor Threat, Cro-Mags, Gabba - loads of you like the same unofficial shmup sountracks as me.

Gorilla Biscuits and Dodonpachi go damn well together..

Great to see Shitmatt and Scotch Egg mentioned as well...

bcass · Post by **bcass** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:42 pm

it290 wrote:Detroit = birthplace of techno.

These 4 German guys might have something to say about that...

indstr · Post by **indstr** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:25 pm

it290 wrote:Detroit = birthplace of techno.

if you know that detroit is the birthplace of techno, you should know well enough that most americans don't know the distinction between actual, techno, and other genres of electronic music, and that most americans call all electronic music "techno".

a perfect case in point:

bcass wrote: These 4 German guys might have something to say about that...

he posts a picture of kraftwerk. while they were pioneers of electronic music, they were not pioneers of techno.
yes, wikipedia lists one of their genres as "techno". but it's wikipedia. come on. if you do search for the word "techno" in the article, the only references outside of the "genres" listing is citing that early detroit artists like Derrick May were inspired by Kraftwerk

bcass · Post by **bcass** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:42 pm

Good point, except I'm not American.

If you can't hear elements of techno in Kraftwerks 1981 album Computer World, or their 1986 album Electric Cafe (which actually contains a track called 'Techno Pop' - apparently before the techno-scene even existed), then I'm not sure what to say... May's career started in 1987, as did the advent of 'techno' (supposedly, says Wikipedia). You might say 'inspired by' but I would say 'wouldn't exist if it wasn't for them'.

Post by **spadgy** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:10 pm

bcass wrote:Good point, except I'm not American.

If you can't hear elements of techno in Kraftwerks 1981 album Computer World, or their 1986 album Electric Cafe (which actually contains a track called 'Techno Pop' - apparently before the techno-scene even existed), then I'm not sure what to say... May's career started in 1987, as did the advent of 'techno' (supposedly, says Wikipedia). You might say 'inspired by' but I would say 'wouldn't exist if it wasn't for them'.

Yeah - I mean they might not have been techno - but they pioneered much of the music that became techno. That said, you can follow any music back and back until the begining of humanity if you use the argument that inspiration counts as a pioneer... I guess anyway..

Also, plenty of shit that isn't techno get's called techno in the UK now too..

bcass · Post by **bcass** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:15 pm

Sure, I'm not saying Derrick May sounds like Kraftwerk, but there are many elements within the music that are too similar to be coincidental. I also think that the close time-proximity between Kraftwerk in their heyday and the evolution of the various forms of electronic music is a factor that most historians take into account when considering Kraftwerks (often quite obvious) influence on the various sub-genres.

Post by **spadgy** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 6:04 pm

bcass wrote:Sure, I'm not saying Derrick May sounds like Kraftwerk, but there are many elements within the music that are too similar to be coincidental. I also think that the close time-proximity between Kraftwerk in their heyday and the evolution of the various forms of electronic music is a factor that most historians take into account when considering Kraftwerks (often quite obvious) influence on the various sub-genres.

Yep. I agree with all that. Let's all go out this weekend and dance ourselves stupid...

indstr · Post by **indstr** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 6:31 pm

even my mom listened to kraftwerk back in the 70's. what the hell! she used to play me some of their records when i was a kid (before i was into electronic music), and later as a teenager when i started getting into electronic music, and found out that kraftwerk were one of the pioneers, i was like: my mom was into that!

it290 · Post by **it290** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:19 am

Kraftwerk is playing a show here next month... I am fucking psyched.

In any case, many people consider 'Shari Vari' by A Number of Names, released in 1981 to be the first 'techno' track. I more or less agree, although techno is of course a broad brush. You also had Juan Atkins' Cybotron record which came out in '83 with the track 'Clear', however that has more of an electro feel (and definitely heavy Kraftwerk inspiration).

So, to summarize:

Juan Atkins : 'Godfather of techno'
Derrick May: 'The Innovator'
Kevin Saunderson: I don't know, he's just a fuckin' pimp.
Kraftwerk: 'The Robots'

ROBOTRON · Post by **ROBOTRON** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:38 pm

Detroit is the birthplace of "TECHNO", guys.

As much as I like Kraftwerk, even they would not have achieved american fame if it were not for the existence of techno already in Detroit. "The Electrifyin' Mojo" was the Techno DJ responsible for playing Kraftwerk when it debuted...but techno already existed...the word "techno" already existed too, just because Kraftwerk used the word in a song doesn't mean they invented it...its like me putting a claim on the word "ROBOTRON" just because I use it as a moniker.

I've lived here in Detroit all my life and I became a fan of Techno when it hit shortly after the demise of Disco music...thats when I discovered it...the scene probably existed (on the streets) prior to that.

BTW...Kraftwerk even thanked Detroit DJ "The Electrifyin' Mojo" for playing their music and making it spread to the rest of the U.S. Mojo did the same for The B-52's and Prince.

source: myself and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Techno

bcass · Post by **bcass** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:59 pm

ROBOTRON wrote:As much as I like Kraftwerk, even they would not have achieved american fame if it were not for the existence of techno already in Detroit. "The Electrifyin' Mojo" was the Techno DJ responsible for playing Kraftwerk when it debuted

When what debuted? Kraftwerk formed in 1969 (originally calling themselves 'Organisation').

ROBOTRON · Post by **ROBOTRON** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:03 pm

bcass wrote:
ROBOTRON wrote:As much as I like Kraftwerk, even they would not have achieved american fame if it were not for the existence of techno already in Detroit. "The Electrifyin' Mojo" was the Techno DJ responsible for playing Kraftwerk when it debuted
When what debuted? Kraftwerk formed in 1969 (originally calling themselves 'Organisation').

Debuted in Detroit, MI USA.

From there it spread to the rest of the U.S.A.

Techno was developed in Detroit, Mi. Did you bother to read my source/link?

Where's your source that proves Kraftwerk developed Techno music?

bcass · Post by **bcass** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:17 pm

If you read my posts carefully, I never actually said they did. I think my point was that pretty much every sub-genre of electronic music (of which techno surely is) and indeed, many other genres of music, have roots in Kraftwerks early innovations. Kraftwerks first hit in the US was Autobahn in 1974 (although they had released records in the US as early as 1973).

moozooh · Post by **moozooh** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:44 pm

I don't usually change music because it's important for me to associate certain events in the timeline of a stage or a boss fight without having to do "manual" countdowns.

Post by **spadgy** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:42 am

it290 wrote: although techno is of course a broad brush

I think that's the issue with this debate, and it's very true.

I have mates who invite me to 'techno' nights and it sounds nothing like techno to me. But I'm sure it is to them. So saying what was first is near impossible.

Hard to dispute that Detorit established and creatde the genre as a scene though, rather than before that, when there were just odd bands verging on beginning to create a techno sound...