DoDonPachi Daioujou Ps2 Port vs PCB?

Ligersknight · Post by **Ligersknight** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:57 pm

Which one is better i'm thinking of buying the PCB but i heard that the port is almost flawless and also heard that the port is better... is this true??

Post by **Dave_K.** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:03 pm

Better is a relative term to those with or without funds or a cab. Buy what you can afford and be done with it. They are both worth the money spent in their own rights. If you can afford the PCB then surely you can afford to buy both, thats what I did. Otherwise the port is perfect, with extra modes that are not on the PCB.

Udderdude · Post by **Udderdude** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:20 pm

Not that I've played the PCB, but the port is excellent. It's also not worth spending money on either one, unless you like really, really hard shooters. Like, throw your controller across the room hard

CIT · Post by **CIT** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:23 pm

Buy the port, it's one of the best shooter ports ever.

And then use the rest of your money to purchase some unported Cave game.

PROMETHEUS · Post by **PROMETHEUS** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:29 pm

Like I said before, ports are far superior for practicing and recording so there's no reason for you to buy the PCB unless you're really rich and... uh... I can't find any reason why you'd want to buy the PCB instead even if you had a lot of money ^^

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:56 pm

PROMETHEUS wrote:Like I said before, ports are far superior for practicing and recording so there's no reason for you to buy the PCB unless you're really rich and... uh... I can't find any reason why you'd want to buy the PCB instead even if you had a lot of money ^^

buy both

PROMETHEUS · Post by **PROMETHEUS** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:35 pm

jpj wrote:
PROMETHEUS wrote:Like I said before, ports are far superior for practicing and recording so there's no reason for you to buy the PCB unless you're really rich and... uh... I can't find any reason why you'd want to buy the PCB instead even if you had a lot of money ^^
buy both

Are you implying something like "the port isn't arcade perfect" ? I don't think a port being arcade perfect matters at all if it doesn't turn the game into something way different in feel, look or difficulty. I've heard the port is very close to the arcade version, so I don't see any good reason to buy the PCB. Now you might want to collect PCBs but that doesn't affect the question of PCBs being worth buying or not for a westerner when a port is available.

Stuff like level select really isn't something to overlook when you want to play a game for score, in my opinion. I bet the amount of time needed to make a target score that is pretty high is more than 3 times bigger without level select or save states -.-

califoreigner · Post by **califoreigner** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:40 pm

depends on what you're equipped with imo. if you have an import enabled ps2 get the port. if you have a vert cab or gun, then get the pcb. both are well worth the money and have their advantages over the other.

in the case that you aren't equipped for either- save up, consider which path is better suited for you, do your homework and make an educated decision

califoreigner · Post by **califoreigner** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:49 pm

DOUBLE POST FTWTF

if you're equipped for both-

got a cab? get the pcb. just a gun? get the port.

szycag · Post by **szycag** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:54 pm

You need the PS2 ESP Galuda port more than DDPDOJ, if you are still new to Cave shooters. I think you are if I read right. You will have more fun that way. Besides, if you're gonna buy a Cave PCB you should get ESP Galuda 2 or Ibara Pink Sweets.

Zebra Airforce · Post by **Zebra Airforce** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 11:18 pm

szycag wrote:You need the PS2 ESP Galuda port more than DDPDOJ, if you are still new to Cave shooters. I think you are if I read right. You will have more fun that way. Besides, if you're gonna buy a Cave PCB you should get ESP Galuda 2 or Ibara Pink Sweets.

Yes, and then you need to invite the forum to your house to play

Trust me, it will help you get better at shooters.

Ligersknight · Post by **Ligersknight** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:10 am

szycag wrote:You need the PS2 ESP Galuda port more than DDPDOJ, if you are still new to Cave shooters. I think you are if I read right. You will have more fun that way. Besides, if you're gonna buy a Cave PCB you should get ESP Galuda 2 or Ibara Pink Sweets.

i see.. i was considering that too. well i might as well get a jap ps2 this summer. im not rich or anything (im only 15 years old...)

Ligersknight · Post by **Ligersknight** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:11 am

Zebra Airforce wrote:
szycag wrote:You need the PS2 ESP Galuda port more than DDPDOJ, if you are still new to Cave shooters. I think you are if I read right. You will have more fun that way. Besides, if you're gonna buy a Cave PCB you should get ESP Galuda 2 or Ibara Pink Sweets.
Yes, and then you need to invite the forum to your house to play Trust me, it will help you get better at shooters.

Is that what you do?

szycag · Post by **szycag** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:45 am

In the meantime get Taito Legends 2. It's like 10 dollars and has some quite good shooters on it.

KindGrind · Post by **KindGrind** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:09 am

Definitely get the port. And as someone else said, grab Galuda, too!

Post by **Dave_K.** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:20 am

PROMETHEUS wrote:I can't find any reason why you'd want to buy the PCB instead even if you had a lot of money ^^

How about playing the original thing on a vertical 29" arcade cabinet with arcade controls? I think thats reason enough to buy the PCB. Of course if you don't have a cabinet, or are 15 years old, then buy the port. I already stated its perfect + extras.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 3:56 am

Dave_K. wrote:
PROMETHEUS wrote:I can't find any reason why you'd want to buy the PCB instead even if you had a lot of money ^^
How about playing the original thing on a vertical 29" arcade cabinet with arcade controls? .

Don't some people here have their PS2's rigged up to their cabs? Am I high in thinking this is the way zakk plays all his games?

califoreigner · Post by **califoreigner** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 4:31 am

those timemaster's have that annoying countdown on screen. iirc dave_k found a way to bypass it.

Post by **Dave_K.** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:23 am

Yeah I have an MGCD that can do this, but I didn't buy a cab just so I could play saturn and ps2 ports on it. DOJ isn't even that expensive a PCB, but I do admit to practicing on the port.

And yes califoreigner is correct, I did figure a way to bypass that annoying timer on screen, otherwise I wouldn't bother at all with these ports.

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:45 am

How about playing the original thing on a vertical 29" arcade cabinet with arcade controls? I think thats reason enough to buy the PCB. Of course if you don't have a cabinet, or are 15 years old, then buy the port. I already stated its perfect + extras.

that really depends on the person and point of view. a RGB monitor tate'd with and arcade stick is the exact experience functionality wise. their is something to be said about playing on a cab ect, but really it's no different with the right set up.

I have been buying up cave PCBs and have replaced mushi and ibara for PS2 b/c I HATE the resolution screw ups. Especially Mushi, it's one of my favorites. The rest are the unported PCBs. Donpachi, Dodonpachi, DDP DOJ, and ESPgaluda I have no intention or feel the need to get the PCB for. In fact I prefer the bonus stuff and the price can't be beat.

But I am playing these on a tate'd PVM in RGB, so it depends on the set up ect I guess.

PROMETHEUS · Post by **PROMETHEUS** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:04 am

GaijinPunch wrote:
Dave_K. wrote:
PROMETHEUS wrote:I can't find any reason why you'd want to buy the PCB instead even if you had a lot of money ^^
How about playing the original thing on a vertical 29" arcade cabinet with arcade controls? .
Don't some people here have their PS2's rigged up to their cabs? Am I high in thinking this is the way zakk plays all his games?

In any case you can always connect a PS2 to a big screen and a good joystick to your PS2. Authenticity alone doesn't make a good reason why a PCB is "worth buying" in my eyes at all. A good port is most of the time the same damn game, with the same quality but in the worst case a very slightly different way to handle slowdown or something. It really doesn't matter at all as long as there's no big difference in look feel or difficulty as I said earlier.

PC Engine Fan X! · Post by **PC Engine Fan X!** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 1:43 pm

For Ligerknight,

The question of the pros and cons of getting a DDP-DOJ PCB vs. the Arika port of the same name has been asked before on this forum...

It all comes down to is if one can afford it by going with a Supergun or Japanese arcade cabinet setup to play the PCB version. Nothing compares to playing with the original arcade hardware/software (assuming if you got plently of disposable income, of course). Having a job makes it easier to afford such expensive shmup PCBs or if one's "well-off" in the financial department, more power to him or her... ^_~

The loading time of an actual DDP-DOJ PCB is instaneous from the moment you power up the Supergun or arcade cab setup whereas with a PS2 console, you'd have to wait a bit for the CPU to load up the port into it's memory banks...in that retrospect, loading times are really negible if one wants to be nitpicky about it.

Sure, the second alternative is to pick up a Japanese PS2 console or get a modded USA PS2 console to play Arika's cool port of DDP-DOJ. Plan on spending about $125.00 - $150.00 for a used Japanese PS2 console would be a pretty good bargin...

By going either route to play DDP-DOJ, it's all good... ^_~

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

PROMETHEUS · Post by **PROMETHEUS** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:18 pm

Nothing compares to playing the port either, then ^_~

And the time you waste when waiting for loading time to pass is certainly FAR lower than the time you waste by practicing only with full runs instead of level select.

Post by **Dave_K.** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:04 pm

PROMETHEUS wrote: And the time you waste when waiting for loading time to pass is certainly FAR lower than the time you waste by practicing only with full runs instead of level select.

Although not in DOJ, some PCBs also have level select from the operators test menu for practicing.

But whatever, horse = dead.

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:45 pm

PROMETHEUS wrote:Nothing compares to playing the port either, then ^_~

And the time you waste when waiting for loading time to pass is certainly FAR lower than the time you waste by practicing only with full runs instead of level select.

saying practicing full runs is a waste of time is silly.

moozooh · Post by **moozooh** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:33 pm

Well if you look at his achievements it doesn't sound so silly anymore, eh? The point is that you don't have to waste time and effort on the parts you do the same way every time, anyway. And in case with DDP, that means not doing the first loop every time you play to practice.

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:36 pm

we aren't talking about ddp

i doubt prometheus has even played DOJ

PROMETHEUS · Post by **PROMETHEUS** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:42 pm

I have played a few credits at NEV's house :p I think it's better to play with level select for any arcade game anyway. Seems pretty obvious to me : there are always harder things you would want to try a lot of times in a row or easier parts that you wouldn't want to play over and over...

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:49 pm

you're talking more of a general 'ports vs pcb' argument, rather than this particular game. for DOJ, i would say even 1-1 is worth practicing each time. speaking with shuppon and chtimi (who both have 400+ mill scores), and they play full runs each and every time. i would agree that you might want to practice a certain stage over and over (stage 5). but i don't agree that there are any "easier" parts of DOJ which are not worth practicing, ie a waste of time. so it's worth practicing all stages of DOJ equally, ie full runs.

PROMETHEUS · Post by **PROMETHEUS** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 8:04 pm

For DOJ in particular, I don't know how hard 1-1 is exactly but I'd be surprised if you didn't come to master it after a while (how would you ever be able to make good scores with nice 2nd loop play otherwise ?). The same goes for 1-2 and 1-3 I guess. Of course there might still be parts even in the first stages that will keep being a challenge for you forever, but even in that case, playing those easier stages every time is not an optimal use of your practicing time. Which doesn't mean that it is a total waste of time to play the first stages every time, but that you will waste time compared to practicing with level select.

Furthermore, I think practicing the harder levels more will make the easy levels even easier (it improves your skills faster), more than the opposite.