Ketsui X and Daioujou Black Label X - Ports for Xbox 360

[szycag]

Just get someone to say they have "frothing demand" for it and stick it on the box.

[dave4shmups]

Erinu's right: it would be a shame to experience the reception of Cave's finest here in America. But surely this evil would be outweighed by all the benefits. Some of us can afford to import a 360, but there are plenty that can't justify that kind of expense.

Good point, and what kind of warranty do J-360's come with, anyway? Is it the same 3-year deal that we get, do they pay for shipping to Japan-these are all questions I'd ask before getting a J-360 for any game or games.

And yeah, who gives a crap what the gaming press over here would say about Ketsui?? This is like all these gamers griping because Roger Ebert doesn't think that games are art-who gives a crap what he thinks? Or do we really need anyone's validation for games that we like? We don't.

[Erinu]

There isn't even 100 people on this forum who would wait for a localization.

The correct word here would be "aren't"

Pretty sure I don't "care"

I'm not crying. I do intend to buy a JP 360 or whatever it takes to play Ketsui/DOJ BL. I'm just saying that you are an ass.
-ud

Because I don't want hundreds of Americans to end up picking this up in Gamestop, buying it, and regretting it? And reviewers pointing out how it's "too hard, not long enough, not worth the price", etc?

Buying a game I know I'm going to love for 15 bucks 3 months after it comes out is never any good.

Uh, I'm pretty sure Senko no Ronde was dropped in price shortly after it's release because nobody bought it for $60.

In any case, I don't care if it's localized or not. If it doesn't, tough shit. If it does, expect it to get bashed and scrutinized like every other non-AAA title out there for the 360.

[jp]

Erinu does kinda have a point... I mean, I imagine IGN would give it a 5.6 since you can probably credit feed these games in under an hour, and they'll probably say they're too hard, and only for shmupping enthusiasts, and then just say it sucks and leave it at that.

I don't even want to think about what the twats at Gamespot or 1up would say.


Though I don't understand the hope that it IS region locked. I think these games coming out region free would be the ideal situation...

[Dale]

I was implying that the price drop would be good. Because I'm cheap.

[jpj]

i've said it before, but you're best bet is getting an asian release (aimed at the hong kong market), which has a better chance of being region-free.

[orange]

man i sure hate when good games get bad reviews it totally changes my mind about them

[Necronom]

"I mean, I imagine IGN would give it a 5.6 since you can probably credit feed these games in under an hour, and they'll probably say they're too hard, and only for shmupping enthusiasts, and then just say it sucks and leave it at that."

OMG! IGN gave it a 5.6! Do you suddenly don't want to play it anymore or what?! Since whe do you people give a shit what the mainstream press thinks about shmups?

"Though I don't understand the hope that it IS region locked. I think these games coming out region free would be the ideal situation..."

Me neither but I have this vague apprehesion that it's just another wannabe elitist talking crap for the sake of it...just a thought

[FIL]

It might get bad reviews so I don't want to play it.


Do people actually pay attention to IGN? They gave God Hand 3.0

[cody]

Of course your system will need to be flashed.

And have an exploitable kernel . . . which AFAIK basically means "earlier than 2007 AND havent been on XBL".

The ways to downgrade the kernel that I've seen involve already knowing the CPU key, or installing an infectus + addon PIC, which IMHO is non-trivial especially compared to a ps2 or saturn mod.

Anyone actually done this, or are you just (like me) talking out of your ass on the difficulty involved?

[jp]

"I mean, I imagine IGN would give it a 5.6 since you can probably credit feed these games in under an hour, and they'll probably say they're too hard, and only for shmupping enthusiasts, and then just say it sucks and leave it at that."

OMG! IGN gave it a 5.6! Do you suddenly don't want to play it anymore or what?! Since whe do you people give a shit what the mainstream press thinks about shmups?

You're missing the point.

Its not that I particularly care WHAT the incompetent gaming media at large thinks about these games (or rather, its not that their ignorant views would affect my enjoyment of the games), but it is annoying to see good stuff torn to shreds by these jerk offs.

No, it doesn't matter. No, it doesn't change my view of things. But I'd still rather the stuff stay cherished in the minds of the actual FANS so that if NEW people are brought into the fold they can be introduced to this stuff not by some idiot's review online, but by someone with some better perspective of it.

Sure, getting Senko no Ronde over here was great. But I still wish it had just been region free, that way it wouldn't have been ripped to shreds by every halfwit and their mom thus tarnishing G.Rev's name (not that G.Rev really cares about what non-fan westerners think about them, but still).

I'm just saying I would much rather they be region free so that thus of us who would appreciate them can seek them out and spread the word, as opposed to them getting some inflated price release over here and getting dissed because they are what they are.

Of course, I personally may not like Ketsui or DDP DOJ BL, so... *shrugs* Whatever.

[Erinu]

Me neither but I have this vague apprehesion that it's just another wannabe elitist talking crap for the sake of it...just a thought

Not in this case. I have legitimate reasons why I don't want it localized. I honestly don't care if you get to play it or not, since I can.

Have any of the other cave games been localized? Yeah that's right, my work here is done.

[jpolz]

Me neither but I have this vague apprehesion that it's just another wannabe elitist talking crap for the sake of it...just a thought

Not in this case. I have legitimate reasons why I don't want it localized. I honestly don't care if you get to play it or not, since I can.

Have any of the other cave games been localized? Yeah that's right, my work here is done.

Well, good thing for us that it's not up to you.

Congrats on being a douchebag of epic proportions, though.

[Balzac]

Not in this case. I have legitimate reasons why I don't want it localized. I honestly don't care if you get to play it or not, since I can.

[Acid King]

Because I don't want hundreds of Americans to end up picking this up in Gamestop, buying it, and regretting it?

Such benevolence....

[GaijinPunch]

Good point, and what kind of warranty do J-360's come with, anyway? Is it the same 3-year deal that we get, do they pay for shipping to Japan-these are all questions I'd ask before getting a J-360 for any game or games.

Of course not.

Yeah that's right, my work here is done.

Yet you won't leave.

[Twiddle]

Erinu are you such a huge japanophile that you get offended by game reviewers calling anything japanese that doesn't involve the newest graphics gimmick shitty

nm i already know the answer to that

[szycag]

I wish shmups.com would step up to the plate and have reviews of the latest games targeted at and written by actual fans of the genre. People shouldn't have to browse through forums to get those kinds of opinions. That way they could actually make their way around blogs and stuff. Any of the sheep who actually base everything on reviews read blogs like Joystiq anyways, that compile all the reviews as if people should just average together the scores.

[bcass]

Of course your system will need to be flashed.

And have an exploitable kernel . . . which AFAIK basically means "earlier than 2007 AND havent been on XBL".

The ways to downgrade the kernel that I've seen involve already knowing the CPU key, or installing an infectus + addon PIC, which IMHO is non-trivial especially compared to a ps2 or saturn mod.

Anyone actually done this, or are you just (like me) talking out of your ass on the difficulty involved?

The article I linked to actually confirms that the region mod is possible on all kernals. Still, reading the details, it's very definitely non-trivial.

[Erinu]

Have any of the other cave games been localized?

Not that I know of. They might suddenly start doing it now for all those western, 360 owning, shooting fans though.

[EOJ]

Have any of the other cave games been localized?

Not that I know of. They might suddenly start doing it now for all those western, 360 owning, shooting fans though.

Great, now you're having conversations with yourself.

[Ceph]

"Now"? I thought that's what he was doing all along.

[charlie chong]

plaese to move to other thread erinu .this thread is for news not opinionated wankers

[cody]

The article I linked to actually confirms that the region mod is possible on all kernals. Still, reading the details, it's very definitely non-trivial.

From your article: "This hack will work on all kernels, not just the HV exploitable ones. As long as you obtain the cpu-key before you upgrade past version 4548"

i.e. exactly what I said w.r.t. exploitable kernels - anybody who's been on live in the past year wont have one, and unless they've already been hacking on their xbox, wont have gotten the cpu-key before ms updated to a non-exploitable kernel.

[bcass]

Fair enough. Eitherway, as I said before, I suspect it's detectable by Microsoft once you go online anyway, which would render the whole thing useless.

Anyway, I've been speaking to a Japanese friend of mine (the guy who coded the BridgeM1 front-end) and he recons it's worth-while petitioning 5pb. Even if not many signatures are obtained, it could still make a difference according to him. I asked him if he would compose an email, in Japanese, outlining our concerns. He has agreed to do this. So, what does everyone think that the email should say? The first major concern is that the releases should be region-free. What else would be worth mentioning? Scanlines maybe? Should the email point to the existing petition?

[Ceph]

Tate and fake vertical scanlines (to make the hi-res display look like lo-res). And NO filtering.

[bcass]

OK, noted. Are we happy that the current petition (http://www.petitiononline.com/Dtoid/petition.html) reflects what we're after? Should the question be changed to just ask for the JPN release to be region-free, or does the current question do a sufficient job of showing that there is interest in these games? I noticed that the current petition doesn't reflect that Europeans would be interested too.

[nem]

I would just skip the petition altogether. A hundred or so signatures doesn't really get the point across. Instead I would undersign it with Shmups, the international shoot'em-up game community, as a whole.

[bcass]

That's true, but I was thinking we could all push for more signatures on the other forums we all post on, then submit the email once a half decent number is shown? From past Japanese petitions (such as some of the petitions to get some old VGM OSTs re-issued), I think only a couple of hundred signatories have been required to influence a decision. We already have more than 100 on the current petition. It would be pretty easy I recon to at least double or triple that figure.

[undamned]

Thanks for working on this bcass
-ud