A 'real' 1CC/ Where do you 1CC

[spadgy]

I was really impressed recently to learn that Necronopticous has got most of his arcade game 1CCs the old fashioned way. What I mean is no supergun, home cab or MAME practice. Just only ever playing the game in a working arcade, where you pay real money for a credit.

I'm currently getting on with doing this with Progear (I do have it at home but haven't yet played it due to being too skint for an CPS2 A board!).

Do many people get 1CC's like this, just playing in situ, so to speak? Is that a proper 1CC? Does it matter at all?

For me I think, it's no less 'real', but perhaps more satisfying...

[GaijinPunch]

Playing at home is definitely easier than playing the arcade:

1: Money
2: Ability to play as many credits as you want
3: No noise (depending on where you live)

Considering most people don't have the arcade option these days, it's not debated that much.

[Zayon]

I've only ever 1cc one shooter so far, Espgaluda, which I played for the first time in the arcades when I was living in Tokyo and ended up finishing after about 2 months of daily playing, most credits costing me 100 yen.

Later I purchased the game and a cabinet to polish my score though.

[Zebra Airforce]

The only shooters I see in arcades are Strikers and Raiden Fighters, so those would pretty much be my only choices for an arcade clear.

[DEL]

Considering most people don't have the arcade option these days, it's not debated that much.

That's a good point, sadly.

If I have the choice I will learn a game the arcade way. 1 credit by 1 credit in an arcade. For Border Down I had the choice of playing the DC at home or going down the arcade and I chose the arcade, at least 90% of my BD play was in the arcade.
I would do the same with Ketsui and Mush, I prefer a large 26" screen and an arcade environment.

I have never used a save state in my life.

[Necronopticous]

I suppose I'm pretty lucky to live in one of the last small pockets of the US where it's still possible to actually go to an arcade. I've got three in my immediate area that I regular, and between them I have access to Raiden Fighters Jet, Raiden Fighter 2, Strikers 1945 III, ESP Ra.De, DoDonpachi (If they ever put it back up), and Mushihime-sama.

I have a really good arcade at my college campus, so I never mind putting 1-2 hour breaks in my weekly schedule; this ends up being my main play time for arcade shmups, the occasional fighter, and Ms. Pac Man. Since I normally end up having classes on every weekday, I pretty much play five days a week.

I love the arcade. I grew up playing and loving arcade games, so their evanescence in the US is pretty distressing to me. I'll feel much better when I actually have the financial means to get a supergun and start collecting my own PCBs, like many of you all. Until then I'll just keep trying to fool myself into believing that public arcades and the shmup genre aren't all the way dead yet.

Anyway, currently practicing Mushihime-sama ULTRA. Just got to stage 3 for the first time last week. Still working on my MANIAC scoring a bit, too; a credit a day, or so. Made 232 million last week.

As far as an all-arcade 1cc being "better" than a home 1cc, I don't know if I can say that I agree, except that there is really something to be said about the feeling of drawing a crowd and getting that 1cc with them looking over your shoulders. Truly epic.

[PROMETHEUS]

Do many people get 1CC's like this, just playing in situ, so to speak? Is that a proper 1CC? Does it matter at all?

oh COME ON. Another topic about 1CC religion ? Why the hell do some of you guys value 1CC so much compared to any other kind of accomplishment and seek so-called authenticity like that ? There is NO POINT. Get 2M on the first stage, 1CC the game, make a world record, all those are but OBJECTIVES that you can set to yourself, and if you do this at home or in an arcade, while sitting on a sofa or a chair, with your hair dry or wet, standing on your feet or upside down, it is always just what it is : some achievement. If you play a version that is not arcade perfect but very similar, IT IS OKAY, you can consider you're playing the same game.

T_T

[Ozymandiaz1260]

When I play at home, I'll just sit down and play a few games of whatever, and then I'll be done. Before I got my egret, the most I'd ever play a game was an hour or two... but, when I'm at the arcade, it's usually about a four hour event. Sure, I waste some time talking to my friends and waiting in line, but I definitely play games longer when I'm at the arcade, and I feel more compelled to do my absolute best when my close friends who are more talented than me are peering over my shoulder. The difference between lounging on the couch and bothering my girlfriend with games that make "really annoying-ass beeping sounds, like it's 1980", and playing with people who feel as passionate or even more passionate about these games than I do is really huge, and it really makes me try harder. Also, when it's real money, you try your best... when I play a game in mame or on a console/emulator, if I fuck up I'll just restart, but when your have to pay for the game (even if it's just a quarter or half a buck), I guess you just care more about not wasting your lives. I would say that if you're the type of person that frequents arcades and knows and is friendly with the normal clientele there, that it makes you try harder than when you're just dicking around on games by yourself.

[dpful]

New word? 1cac One Credit Arcade Clear

I think it's bad ass to clear a game in the arcade! I'd like to practice at home and then go to the arcade to show off.

(I've 1cc'd just a few games a home)

Man, I'd love to watch someone 1cc a game in the arcade.

[jpj]

Another topic about 1CC religion ? Why the hell do some of you guys value 1CC so much[...]

i don't really understand it either. i always think the important thing is just to get a good score, and then try to beat your score. in some ways, i think the 1CC thing is a bit detrimental...

[Necronopticous]

Beating a game is a pretty standard goal.

[Skykid]

Beating a game is a pretty standard goal.

Agreed, but growing up going to arcades constantly, I can understand where some of these guys are coming from. First game I ever 1cc'd in an Arcade was Aliens - I was but a boy, and I worked my ass off (cos its rock) and did it - and it were the best feeling in the world like. I stood looking at my name in 1st place for about fifteen minutes.

[Veracity]

Some older 'fake 1cc' discussion for reference and/or comedy. Please note applicants for a True One See See Certificate will be disqualified if they are found to have watched replays, and had best keep quiet about any strategy discussions they've been reading (the latter may be admissible, but is subject to stringent case-by-case peer review).

It's pretty trivially obvious clearing without features that (one hopes) are standard in home ports like stage select is harder, not to mention presumably more expensive in almost all cases. Ozymandias1260 probably has a point that you're less likely to get stuck in unproductive stage one restart cycles or just generally waste time not really trying, though. For my tastes, it's a waste of time, but if you want to go for a clear under such conditions and pat yourself on the back a little harder than otherwise for pulling it off, I say good luck to you. This sort of thing is really never tiresome until people get proscriptive about it with regard to anyone else's leisure time.

A semi-related heresy I personally subscribe to is that a brain-fart string of stupid deaths at stage five-of-six boss that places higher on the score table than an ultra-cautious clear is still the 'better' run but, again, I don't see this as anything but a matter of preference. And I rarely resort to casting about for replays, but that's because I think they suck most of the fun out of the process, not because they're cheating.

[Arvandor]

This sort of thing is really never tiresome until people get proscriptive about it with regard to anyone else's leisure time.

Yeah, this.

[escadrille]

I played a lot in arcades when I was younger, but these days not only are few shooters represented in fewer remaining arcades, but I'm also getting past the point where I want to hang out in an arcade with a bunch of kids. Eventually you have to switch to some kind of home setup (supergun, MAME, home cab, whatever) or you look like a weirdo trying to lure kids into his white van.

[seiatsu]

I don't know why but I've always done better in the arcades than at home. It probably subconciously has something to do with the money combined with me trying harder and experimenting less (until I got a good grip on things). At home I tend to screw around more (sometimes) which often costs me lives....kinda like "well, I know what this does but let me try like this instead" etc.

[Koa Zo]

oh COME ON. Another topic about 1CC religion ? Why the hell do some of you guys value 1CC so much compared to any other kind of accomplishment and seek so-called authenticity like that ? There is NO POINT. Get 2M on the first stage, 1CC the game, make a world record, all those are but OBJECTIVES that you can set to yourself, and if you do this at home or in an arcade, while sitting on a sofa or a chair, with your hair dry or wet, standing on your feet or upside down, it is always just what it is : some achievement. If you play a version that is not arcade perfect but very similar, IT IS OKAY, you can consider you're playing the same game.

I have to chime in though, that my only solid 1cc abilities were earned by playing in a real arcade. I would limit myself to no more than 4 credits to a game (per visit) and never allowed to continue. Eventually the earlier stages are learned like the back of your hand, and so forth for the later stages. When playing at home I am too lazy (not having to pay for credits) and have access to too many games, so my skills are never focused on one or two games like it used to be in the arcades.

[Aquas]

I concur with the idea that attributing money for a credit makes one try harder. When I was on my Raiden Figheters Jet stint at the arcade, I played the game so much when I was there, that I actually started thinking poetically about the power of the quarter, and what it meant to "give life" to the controllable ship. Haha, obsession will do that for me, I guess, since I'm naturally a poetic person, anyway.

I really enjoy the high one gets when you're just peaking your high score, or you just peaked it, and you've got to drown out your surroundings to focus on the task at hand. Playing in the arcade tests skill, in this manner.

Also, because of the quarter for each credit. I never gave up if I had a stupid death on the first stage. I just played the rest of the credit as usual to see where it would lead me.

At home, dumb deaths just disappoint me. And I'm very likely to restart. Mushihime-sama just grates my nerves with that aspect of things, I'd probably be better off playing it in an arcade (if I could.) Christ.

[-Bridget-]

I personally dont think it matters whatsoever "where" you do a 1cc.


I live in the US, sorta near Chicago, and there isnt much in the way of arcades near here.


Hell,

Cave is my favorite shmup developer..... and I've *never* seen an arcade unit for anything they've made. Not anywhere near here, anyway.

So if I wanna 1cc something of theirs, like Mushi, which I've done, I gotta either use the PS2 versions (I have all 4 that they've put out), or use Mame.



Now, as mentioned above, there is something to be said about doing a 1cc at an arcade and drawing a crowd..... I did this with Giga Wing once, but.....

Ahh, that version of the game was the US version, and I'd actually been used to the Jap version (which was my first major 1cc), so it wasnt quite as impressive as it could have been.


Or Robotron, that's another good example.... at the recent anime convention, which just ended, I spent alot of time in front of the Robotron machine..... and drew a crowd quite alot. I managed a score of 627,000, my personal best, and managed to beat 2 of the Tank levels without taking a hit. It wasnt a 1cc.... the game does not end..... but it was made that much more satisfying by the fact that I did it on a real cabinet, with people gaping at it



But most of my shmupping is done at home..... That's where all my favorites are, and that's where I have easy access. And really, if I wanna show off a neat run, that's what video or MAME replays are for.

[spadgy]

Well; I certainly wasn't trying to imply anything about home 1CC's being 'fake', and I agree that the emphasis on 1CC over an emphasis on fun is silly and slightly detrimental, but it's certainly true that beating a game is a common goal and doing it in an arcade must feel great.

I've only 1CC'd Psyvariar revision, and I still love shmupping all the time, just for fun.

What I was interested in were the comments on the pleasure of playing to a crowd, and playing a little better in arcade than at home (I do too), and all those things we might not think about without having experienced it. Hell, being at a good arcade with a good community and great games is unbeatable, and really social and filled with atmosphere, so we should all do it more!

With regard to Gaijin Punch's comments; I prefer the noise! And it's a lot cheaper to pay £1 for three credits than the price of a hard to find Cave PCB for a good long while!

[Skykid]

With regard to Gaijin Punch's comments; I prefer the noise! And it's a lot cheaper to pay £1 for three credits than the price of a hard to find Cave PCB for a good long while!

Some good points Spadgy - as I mentioned, I believe the Arcade is a social experience. The noise, the crowds and the friends around add the the whole experience. A few hours in the Arcade can make a decent day out - its just such a shame that the industry has dwindled to the point that there's near enough nowhere left to go anymore.

[spadgy]

With regard to Gaijin Punch's comments; I prefer the noise! And it's a lot cheaper to pay £1 for three credits than the price of a hard to find Cave PCB for a good long while!

Some good points Spadgy - as I mentioned, I believe the Arcade is a social experience. The noise, the crowds and the friends around add the the whole experience. A few hours in the Arcade can make a decent day out - its just such a shame that the industry has dwindled to the point that there's near enough nowhere left to go anymore.

I forget how lucky I am, even talking internationally, to live within easy range of an amazing arcade like Casino.

[J-Manic]

The only game I ever 1CC'd was Blast Wind. And it was in the comfort of my room while relaxing on my comfortable sofa. Heaven.

[sven666]

i 1CCd plenty of arcade games.. no public arcades around here for me to do it in tho

ive 1CCd espgaluda and mushihimesama in variuos arcades around japan tho.. if that counts for anything?

[Frederik]

Every time I boot up a shmup I think to myself "Do I want to get a good score today or just see how far I get?", and I can´t really decide which one to choose so I mostly suck at both.

The topic "Score VS survival" is an endless can of worms, causing gamers a lot of woe. Maybe some of us (including me) should just relax and play for the heck of it and maybe get a nice score once in a while or get through the whole game on one credit .

Prometheus made my day with his post, though. But maybe all these insecurities about how to "play right" are coming from the desire to experience these games in the perfect way.

[Sonic R]

…Maybe some of us (including me) should just relax and play for the heck of it and maybe get a nice score once in a while or get through the whole game on one credit .

I have the most fun when I relax and play like this.

I give up to play for score… I am almost to 1cc Mushi arrange mode but my score is laughter at 164 million I cannot even post my score in the Mushi thread because I am failure… not because it is a low score but I have been excluded for my lack of talent. Why should I bother to even play the game…

[Frederik]

From the Zen perspective, you should enjoy the process, not the result. The score is just a motivator to concentrate more while playing. Getting better is merely the sideeffect of joyful play - not the reason why you play in the first place. If you don´t enjoy the game itself, it´s just pointless busywork.

If anything, you should compare yourself with yourself - try beating your own hiscore, not the one of anyone else, because there will always be people who are better than you. If everybody would be in this negative mindstate, nobody would pick up a guitar because they would never be as good as Jimi Hendrix.